--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <markb754@...> wrote:
>
> I had a look around the APT-P power car which is at Coventry this afternoon. I have a couple of questions, I would be grateful if somebody could help me with.
> 1] Is the transformer under the floor?
> 2] how was the power bussed between the 2 power cars?
> Thanks
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not 100% sure about the transformer position but I believe it's above the floor. The cabinet covers either side of the central walkway should have titles to say what's inside them, I know the Tilt Pack cover does.
>
> The 25Kv connection went via some huge buss-bars that linked the Power Cars at roof level, and the Coventry PC had them installed when it arrived. Unfortunately some tea leaves climbed in there and nicked them, as well as damaging some other roof top fittings as well.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <markb754@> wrote:
> >
> > I had a look around the APT-P power car which is at Coventry this afternoon. I have a couple of questions, I would be grateful if somebody could help me with.
> > 1] Is the transformer under the floor?
> > 2] how was the power bussed between the 2 power cars?
> > Thanks
> >
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "aptp370" <rob@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Mark
>
> the main transformer is under the powercar floor...
>
>
> Rob
> www.APT-P.com
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ball, Gordon" <gball@...> wrote:
>
> I still haven't made a trip up to the Electric Railway museum - I've been meaning to visit, especially if it's getting a bit of work done. The last time I saw the power car was when it was tucked away in Shildon!
>
> Can anyone comment on what's available at the ERM Coventry, and whether the APT-P is opened up for visitors or tucked behind barriers. The Shildon "Cab It" events are definitely a good reason to pick a specific weekend to make the trip, so I wondered if the ERM has similar specific weekend events.
>
> Unfortunately the ERM website is down, so I can't see anything on there... yes, I'm sure one response is "just go and visit it and see for yourself"!
>
> Gordon
>

On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 10:15 +0000, Ball, Gordon wrote:
>
> I still haven’t made a trip up to the Electric Railway museum – I’ve
> been meaning to visit, especially if it’s getting a bit of work done.
> The last time I saw the power car was when it was tucked away in
> Shildon!
>
>
>
> Can anyone comment on what’s available at the ERM Coventry, and
> whether the APT-P is opened up for visitors or tucked behind barriers.
> The Shildon “Cab It” events are definitely a good reason to pick a
> specific weekend to make the trip, so I wondered if the ERM has
> similar specific weekend events.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately the ERM website is down, so I can’t see anything on
> there... yes, I’m sure one response is “just go and visit it and see
> for yourself”!
>
>
>
> Gordon
>
>
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "phillip.marshall31" <pcmnorwich@...> wrote:
>
> How is lab4 comeing along please
>

 

Lab 4 ISN'T coming along.

There's no money and no people, apart from Shane, to do any work on the vehicle. It's as simple as that.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "phillip.marshall31" <pcmnorwich@...> wrote:
>
> How is lab4 comeing along please
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Shane.wilton" <shane.wilton@...> wrote:
>
> Sadly it's not coming along as much as I'd hoped. My last session was in November and I have not had the time to go since then. Hopefully the next session will be early June and maybe some evenings while we have the light. We will get there!
>
> Cheers
>
> Shane
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 7 May 2013, at 18:12, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> > Lab 4 ISN'T coming along.
> >
> > There's no money and no people, apart from Shane, to do any work on the vehicle. It's as simple as that.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kit
> >
> > --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "phillip.marshall31" <pcmnorwich@> wrote:
> > >
> > > How is lab4 comeing along please
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "phillip.marshall31" <pcmnorwich@...> wrote:
>
> hi i did post the other day to ask if i can post your pics of lab 4 to
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/preservedthumpers/ thay allso have
> a main website www.preservedthumpers.co.uk i think it might be just what you nead for surport can you let me know asap if this is ok.

> "Silver_Dream_Racer" wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Silver_Dream_Racer

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:59 AM

Subject: <APT Group> NRM closure threat.

 

Well I never thought I would see the day.

The stupid government have just gone too far this time, cutting public spending. We are all more than aware that they want everything in private ownership, but to split up the national collection (here for the people Mr Dippy Cameron, it an insult to all the workers on the railways past and present.

You make me sick, you stupid posh idiots.

> With all the fuss over the economics and cost and NIMBYism regarding HS2
> there has been a huge lack of focus on the science - or lack of it -
> behind
> this project. There is one book I have found on this subject and this
> chap,
> who I gather is qualified to pronounce, is not sanguine that the physics
> stacks up to make it possible. I would like to hear from others their
> opinions on this.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kxwaczc
>
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Railways-Physics-Bretwalda-Policy-ebook/dp/B005HRY3L
> S

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tanya" <tjjackson@...>
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:05 PM
> To: <trackwork@yahoogroups.com>;
> <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>; <lmsreg@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: <APT Group> High Speed Railways Meet the Laws of Physics (and
> lose!)
>
> > With all the fuss over the economics and cost and NIMBYism regarding HS2
> > there has been a huge lack of focus on the science - or lack of it -
> > behind
> > this project. There is one book I have found on this subject and this
> > chap,
> > who I gather is qualified to pronounce, is not sanguine that the physics
> > stacks up to make it possible. I would like to hear from others their
> > opinions on this.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/kxwaczc
> >
> >
> > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Railways-Physics-Bretwalda-Policy-ebook/dp/B005HRY3L
> > S
>
> Book Review:
>
> High Speed Railways Meet the Laws of Physics (and lose!)
> Hay-Heddle, John (2011-08-16).
> (Bretwalda Policy Papers)
> (Kindle Location 251).
> Bretwalda Books.
> Kindle Edition.
> under £2
>
> This pamphlet can be summarised simply as "Do the Sums First".
>
> Or as JFHH puts it:
> " What I am saying is not that we shouldn't proceed with a 250mph
> super-train; rather I am asking "Is this the wisest use of resources of
> energy and money for the available benefits?"
>
> given that:
> "To build and run a railway with track and rolling stock capable of
> running at a sustained 250mph at a sustained 250 M.P.H. will require a
> level of technology and energy consumption - hence costs! - of a wholly
> different order from one running at 125mph."
>
> Well, yes, that's right, just as the 125mph railway was a big step forward
> from the Mostly 70mph Railway of half a century ago.
>
> Most of the pamphlet is an outline of the sums that railways actually do to
> compare energy expended with revenue anticipated for any given journey
> profile. I remember the endless rolls of journey profiles that Roy Poolley
> would produce, doing exactly that for each yard from Euston to Glasgow
> Central.
>
> Obviously financing and infrastructure costs need factoring in as well as
> just the train running costs, but that's beyond the scope of JFHH's
> qualifications - and mine!
> Overall JFHH has a gut feeling that 150mph is a better business optimum
> than 250mph, so it would be entertaining to see Simulation results
> comparing the two for the proposed HS2 network.
>
> He is specific about the Commercial axe he's grinding:
> " might we not do more good for more people and their communities by
> spending the same amount of money as is projected for HS2 rebuilding our
> mainline networks - East Coast, West Coast, Great Central, and Great
> Western not to mention various East-West lines - up to a level where they
> can sustain, say, 150mph trains, to run trains built to Continental loading
> gauge and hook them all up to the Continental system?"
>
> And the Administrative aspect:
> "Only if the benefits outweigh the costs is it worth spending vast sums
> on a project. This is well understood in the private sector where costs
> tend to dominate other considerations, but is not so prevalent in the
> public sector where costs can be more easily hidden and other factors often
> come into play."
>
> Fascinatingly, for a former Tory councillor, his overtly Political content
> is strikingly - some might say commendably - Socialist in flavour:
> " For the same money we could bring great benefits to many people
> living or working in a wide variety of towns and cities. By contrast HS2
> would bring benefits to only the very wealthy few and at a huge cost to the
> rest of us who could never afford it or be in a position to use it."
>
> JFHH asks whether HS2 could be another financial flop like the Millennium
> Dome.
> I think he should also ask whether it could be another financial flop like
> the Channel Tunnel. That hasn't washed its face economically, but would he
> go back and unbuild it now?
>
> David 1/2d
> ex APT Design, Derby
>
> Excerpts reproduced without permission under the fair Use provisions of the
> Copyright Act
>

Hi All

Just found on the Friends of CHC website that 48103 will tilt again soon, this will be the FIRST time in public since it was retired by British Rail in 1988...

http://www.fochc.co.uk/p/events-diary.html

Modern Traction Gala
19th - 20th October
The Crewe Heritage Centre is pleased to announce a late addition to the 2013 events calendar. A must visit for any diesel enthusiast, the event will feature a number of different locomotives, including; 03073, 47712, 73006 and Industrial Shunter 'Vanguard'. Also the event will feature the 'Advanced Passenger Train' driving trailer (48103) being tilted for the first time since the 1990's.

> Check out the British Transport Film "E For Experimental" for your sound
> requirements.
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f16_1314673094
>
> (forward to about 18m 45s for horn sounds)

Hello Alan,

They could all be started and stopped individually and on many occasions we ran on considerably less than the maximum number of turbines, mainly as a fuel saving measure when outright speed wasn't required. 

Alan Goodley did most of the starting and stopping from his turbine control desk in PC2, Mission Control for many of our test runs and of course THE vital link for the 152 mph run when the late Ray Coleman  'drove' turbine 1 in PC2 manually while standing right alongside it!

Regards

Kit

----- Original Message -----

From: bosspecops@...

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:08 AM

Subject: <APT Group> RE: Re:APT-E turbine start up

 

Hello Alan,

They could all be started and stopped individually and on many occasions we ran on considerably less than the maximum number of turbines, mainly as a fuel saving measure when outright speed wasn't required. 

Alan Goodley did most of the starting and stopping from his turbine control desk in PC2, Mission Control for many of our test runs and of course THE vital link for the 152 mph run when the late Ray Coleman  'drove' turbine 1 in PC2 manually while standing right alongside it!

Regards

Kit

--- In advanced-passenger-train@yahoogroups.com, <nbw159@...> wrote:

On 17 September 2013 12:37, Nick Wheat <nbw159@...> wrote:

> Check out the British Transport Film "E For Experimental" for your sound
> requirements.
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f16_1314673094
>
> (forward to about 18m 45s for horn sounds)

Sorry - I should have said from 17m in for sample sounds!

Nick

Hello again Alan,

We could move the 4 car train on only 4 turbines, so long as we ran at line speed, but to go faster we'd need more and more obviously. Mostly for any 'speed runs', at above 100 mph for instance, we'd run all ten if at all possible. On the test track we'd run all ten for curving tests on the instrumented Upper Broughton curve north of the Old Dalby Control Centre, but for coasting tests and other stuff we'd run on 6 or 8.

In all cases they were started individually as Alan Goodley only had two hands <g> and needed both of them to press the various buttons on the turbine control panel. I can remember he and the other power group guys going through their litany over the intercom :- 'Starting No 1........................No. 1 running. Starting No. 2.........' and so on.

Hope that helps.

Regards

Kit

----- Original Message -----

From: Silver_Dream_Racer

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:42 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re:APT-E turbine start up

 

Only just got my computer working again after a PSU failure.

I have good sound recordings of the horns, the ones we use in the cab of PC2.

We took the horns off PC1, cleaned them and then I took them to the automotive dept where I work and put a full 120psi through them, very impressive. So if you need the horns at least, I can sort that for you.

Regards

Paul

Hello All

take a look at this page for a Lego Tilting APT ! (Watch the YouTube videos to see it in action)

https://sites.google.com/site/ralphslegomindstormscreations/home/apt-advanced-passenger-train

Rob

www.APT-P.com

> There's a good seven page article all about the Advanced Passenger Train
> in the current edition of Traction magazine (March 2014 / issue 219).
>
> Enjoy!
> Andy
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Bill

Kit Spackman took the photo' that you are thinking of looking out of the cab it can be found at the bottom of this page on Paul's APT-E.org website -

http://www.apt-e.org/kit/option2.htm

Best wishes

Rob

www.APT-P.com

I'm not sure about 'locked in position', it was actually at 12 deg as they asked us to '.... go to maximum tilt....' for the photo, but wanted more than the 9 deg that we normally used. There was an extra 3 deg of passive tilt in the system so we overrode the limits and tilted the train onto its bump stops. And yes, it certainly WAS standing still at the time or the BR photographer would have been killed about 1 second after he'd pressed the shutter!

That's me in the centre of the cab and Hugh Williams is looking over my left shoulder and we were both commenting that it was a good thing that the train WASN'T moving for exactly the reason above. As Paul says I took the photo of the BR photographer taking a photo of me. etc etc. :-)

Regards

Kit

> The top left photo on page 26 illustrates the angle of tilt of the APT-E
> tilting whilst on the Old Dalby test track. At the end of the photo
> description it is asked if the train was locked in that position for the
> picture? My memory isn't as good as it used to be but I'm sure I've seen
> a photo somewhere taken from the train at the same time meaning the train
> was indeed stationary / locked in position. Can anyone confirm this of am
> I really losing my mind?

On 2014/02/23 at 00:22 David Halfpenny \(y\) wrote:

>Thanks for the tip-off, Andy.
>
>The news-stand in Derby Market Hall couldn't understand why that issue had
>sold out so quickly!
>
>David 1/2d
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Andy Appleton" <AndyAppleton@...>
>Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:37 PM
>To: "APT Group" <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: <APT Group> APT in Traction magazine
>
>> There's a good seven page article all about the Advanced Passenger Train
>> in the current edition of Traction magazine (March 2014 / issue 219).
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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