Indeed we could, but I doubt we'd get anywhere.......

There should be a vast stock of drawings and other data from the early 70s at the NRM, moved from the RTC Derby, but they have yet to be archived properly and all attempts at retrieval that we've made in the past have failed. I think the collective memory of the people who were heavily involved may well prove a better scource.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Nigel Richards" <yahoornr@...> wrote:
>
> you can ask the NRM at york in the referance section as they have information on liveries ie of the prototype HST power cars etc.
>
> nigel richards

Hi all,

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/30july2011/30july2011.htm

Another part of E train comes back to life.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 Hastings Support Group

stunning pics !!!!!!!
do you think she will ever work again ??

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/30july2011/30july2011.htm
>
> Another part of E train comes back to life.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 Hastings Support Group
>

HI All

Silly question but why was the APT Power Car saved and not scraped?

Justin

----- Original Message -----

From: David G

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:24 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.

 

stunning pics !!!!!!!
do you think she will ever work again ??

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/30july2011/30july2011.htm
>
> Another part of E train comes back to life.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 Hastings Support Group
>

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Hi Ruth,
I have been trying to get in contact with you over past few days.

Yes, you are more than welcome to come as a representative for David.

Please see the link below for more details about the re-union.

http://www.apt-e.org/reunion2011/reunion2011.htm

I am very pleased to add your name to the list of guests.

I look forward to meeting you again and it is very fitting that the last time I met you and David was the day we (myself and Kit) were working on E train in the south yard at the NRM.

Very best regards,

Paul
APT-E \ HSFV1 \ Lab 4 Hastings Support Group.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ruth Boocock" <ruth@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all at APT info site,
>
>
>
> Thanks to a contact, I've recently been up-dated on the E-train's
> regeneration progress.
>
>
>
>
> As you are all probably aware, my E-train-brilliant hubby, once known as "Mr
> APT", is now unable to contribute with information
>
>
>
> or to attend any get-togethers, due to his Alzheimer's. He's in a care home
> full time now.
>
>
>
> However, before the meeting on Saturday week, I shall try my best to dig out
> any photos, etc. etc. that I can find. It could be
>
>
>
> tricky, as David hasn't been able to communicate much for over 18 months
> now, but I'll do my best.
>
>
>
> As far as I know, I'm still able to come to see you all at the Shildon
> get-together on August 13th.
>
>
>
> I'm looking forward to that so much.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Ruth Boocock.
>

I don't know how many times we've been asked this question, but it must getting into double figures by now.

Practically the answer is no, for more than one reason. As Tim says, it would need Lottery win level money to do it firstly as we'd have to effectively re-wire the whole train from end to the other to start off and there's MILES of wire in there and no drawings available. The cost of the cable, not to mention the labour to do it, would be prohibitive.

Secondly I'm the only engineer from the original team who's a member of the Support Group and I only know about tilt systems and some other associated area, like suspension and bogie stuff. Without a turbine guy and an electrical guy, not to mention a brake guy on board we'd have no chance.

Thirdly we'd need to BUY the test track as there isn't anywhere else that we'd be able to run. E-Train is out of gauge for much of Network Rail's infrastructure due to its length and I seriously doubt they'd let us do it anyway. Moving the two Power Cars across the main line from the NRM to Thrall Yard taxed their credibility to its maximum anyway.


Sorry to pour water on great ideas, but that's the reality of it.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David G" <dgattenberg@...> wrote:
>
> stunning pics !!!!!!!
> do you think she will ever work again ??

However, we (APTer) do like to take on the impossible challenges,
The rescue of E train shows that!!!

lol, WE CAN ALWAYS DREAM!!!!!!

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how many times we've been asked this question, but it must getting into double figures by now.
>
> Practically the answer is no, for more than one reason. As Tim says, it would need Lottery win level money to do it firstly as we'd have to effectively re-wire the whole train from end to the other to start off and there's MILES of wire in there and no drawings available. The cost of the cable, not to mention the labour to do it, would be prohibitive.
>
> Secondly I'm the only engineer from the original team who's a member of the Support Group and I only know about tilt systems and some other associated area, like suspension and bogie stuff. Without a turbine guy and an electrical guy, not to mention a brake guy on board we'd have no chance.
>
> Thirdly we'd need to BUY the test track as there isn't anywhere else that we'd be able to run. E-Train is out of gauge for much of Network Rail's infrastructure due to its length and I seriously doubt they'd let us do it anyway. Moving the two Power Cars across the main line from the NRM to Thrall Yard taxed their credibility to its maximum anyway.
>
>
> Sorry to pour water on great ideas, but that's the reality of it.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David G" <dgattenberg@> wrote:
> >
> > stunning pics !!!!!!!
> > do you think she will ever work again ??
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Silver_Dream_Racer

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.

 

However, we (APTer) do like to take on the impossible challenges,
The rescue of E train shows that!!!

lol, WE CAN ALWAYS DREAM!!!!!!

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how many times we've been asked this question, but it must getting into double figures by now.
>
> Practically the answer is no, for more than one reason. As Tim says, it would need Lottery win level money to do it firstly as we'd have to effectively re-wire the whole train from end to the other to start off and there's MILES of wire in there and no drawings available. The cost of the cable, not to mention the labour to do it, would be prohibitive.
>
> Secondly I'm the only engineer from the original team who's a member of the Support Group and I only know about tilt systems and some other associated area, like suspension and bogie stuff. Without a turbine guy and an electrical guy, not to mention a brake guy on board we'd have no chance.
>
> Thirdly we'd need to BUY the test track as there isn't anywhere else that we'd be able to run. E-Train is out of gauge for much of Network Rail's infrastructure due to its length and I seriously doubt they'd let us do it anyway. Moving the two Power Cars across the main line from the NRM to Thrall Yard taxed their credibility to its maximum anyway.
>
>
> Sorry to pour water on great ideas, but that's the reality of it.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David G" <dgattenberg@> wrote:
> >
> > stunning pics !!!!!!!
> > do you think she will ever work again ??
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ball, Gordon

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:20 PM

Subject: RE: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.

 

I think the tilt demos would be a pretty amazing feat – I remember chatting with you about it and whether it could actually take place on one of the cars, versus just the hydraulics powering a model.  Seeing that much metal bob back and forth at speed must be an interesting sight.   Whether you could actually be on board or not is another question*.  And the poor kid who is standing too close to it would get quite a scare.

I understand most of Kit’s comments about why it couldn’t be restored to passenger capable use – but what was meant about being ‘out of gauge’ with the length (not loading).  Is this to do with platforms on a curve and individual car length - or is this just that the original layout is too long for heritage lines and the likes?   I presume ATP-P must be ‘in gauge’ given it was in full service – so is this a major difference in dimension between the two?   When P was hiding behind at Shildon, the one power car didn’t look too different.

Gordon

* yes, I know that actually feeling it tilting back and forth is completely the opposite of how it should have felt in real life.

From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of t.sage
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:38 PM
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.

 

we have done the impossable more times than i can remember lol, for the next decade its going to be restoration, tilt demos, turbine demos, and a deskined power car. (also rebuild pop train and restore hastings)

i do like a challange

----- Original Message -----

From: Silver_Dream_Racer

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.

 

However, we (APTer) do like to take on the impossible challenges,
The rescue of E train shows that!!!

lol, WE CAN ALWAYS DREAM!!!!!!

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know how many times we've been asked this question, but it must getting into double figures by now.
>
> Practically the answer is no, for more than one reason. As Tim says, it would need Lottery win level money to do it firstly as we'd have to effectively re-wire the whole train from end to the other to start off and there's MILES of wire in there and no drawings available. The cost of the cable, not to mention the labour to do it, would be prohibitive.
>
> Secondly I'm the only engineer from the original team who's a member of the Support Group and I only know about tilt systems and some other associated area, like suspension and bogie stuff. Without a turbine guy and an electrical guy, not to mention a brake guy on board we'd have no chance.
>
> Thirdly we'd need to BUY the test track as there isn't anywhere else that we'd be able to run. E-Train is out of gauge for much of Network Rail's infrastructure due to its length and I seriously doubt they'd let us do it anyway. Moving the two Power Cars across the main line from the NRM to Thrall Yard taxed their credibility to its maximum anyway.
>
>
> Sorry to pour water on great ideas, but that's the reality of it.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David G" <dgattenberg@> wrote:
> >
> > stunning pics !!!!!!!
> > do you think she will ever work again ??
>

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From: t.sage

Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:38 PM

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.

i think the only option for now will be tilting either trailer car.

 

 

There are fundamental differences between the tilt systems of E-Train, P-Train and Pendulino.

 

When  E-Train runs the tilt is a combination of two simultaneous movements:

 

- the cars are rotated by the tilt jacks about ball joints under the car floor,

 

- those ball joints are on swing-links that move sideways under what's called Centrifugal Force if you are on the ground, or Centripetal Force if you are on the train. Note that BOTH cars articulated over that bogie are affected by this movement.

 

So if we tilt one trailer car while the train is stationary, what stops the Joint Modules being ripped apart?

 

And has anyone done the toppling-over sums?

 

I imagine enough playing has already been done to answer these questions

 

David 1/2d

 

 

 

The geometry of the E-Train vehicles and joint modules allow full tilt of both vehicles opposite directions, even as far as the 12 deg 'hard over' case. The joint module floor ends up looking like a mobius strip but it can be done. I would not recommend trying to cross the floor though as you'd need high grip shoes or even crampons!

With our current situation only one of the E-Train vehicles could be tilted as we only have one auxiliary tilt pack, and TC2 must be the prime target as it's already set up to do just that. It has the quick-disconnect Stirling fittings in the belly and the interior pipework has already been modified to use the external hydraulic supply.

Ideally PC2 would be the vehicle we'd like to tilt as it's in prime public view, but I have some doubts if the auxiliary pack runs at high enough pressure to bring the vehicle back level again after tilting it over. That supposition will have to wait confirmation after we've got the tilt pack back from York and when it's run up to full pressure. Because PC2 is heavily out of balance, with the big diesel APU having been removed, it's very much left side heavy, as we know to our cost before we installed the new monster anti-tilt blocks. That may be beyond the scope of the auxiliary pack to tilt it back upright again.

The vehicles won't topple over even with full 12 deg static tilt applied, and even with the lateral damper links disconnected as they are at present. The CoG still stays within the bogie frame and the vehicle can stay resting on its bump stops without danger of falling into the 6 foot.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
> From: t.sage
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:38 PM
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.
>

> i think the only option for now will be tilting either trailer car.

> There are fundamental differences between the tilt systems of E-Train, P-Train and Pendulino.
>
> When E-Train runs the tilt is a combination of two simultaneous movements:
>
> - the cars are rotated by the tilt jacks about ball joints under the car floor,
>
> - those ball joints are on swing-links that move sideways under what's called Centrifugal Force if you are on the ground, or Centripetal Force if you are on the train. Note that BOTH cars articulated over that bogie are affected by this movement.
>
> So if we tilt one trailer car while the train is stationary, what stops the Joint Modules being ripped apart?
>
> And has anyone done the toppling-over sums?
>
> I imagine enough playing has already been done to answer these questions
>
> David 1/2d

Gordon,

Being on board a fully tilted E-Train vehicle is not for the faint hearted I can assure you, but if we manage to get one tilting I'll bet we'd have a complete cab or lounge full of people who want to feel what it's like! <g>

With the auxiliary pack we have available the full 9 deg/sec is not possible as it just doesn't have a pump that can supply the required oil flow, about 15 gpm (gallons/min) on the original Mk II tilt packs. Hastings Coach had slightly smaller valves but as it only tilted 6 deg anyway there wasn't such a high flow demand. I'd have to refresh my memory by looking at the Mk IV pack on the APT-P Power Car before I'd feel confident about describing its designed tilt rate I'm afraid.

As for the 'out of gauge' issue, the APT-E Power Cars were, and I believe still are, the longest locomotives ever to run on BR metals and we had to get special clearence for every run we made. As you say it's the platform clearance issue that's the problem, the nose overhang from the centre point of the E1 bogies is enormous, which is one reason whu there's such a taper on the nose, the other beinmg aerodynamic of course.

Since we ran in the late 70s things will have changed and any routes would have to be re-surveyed yard by yard before we could even think about running. Even the Test Track has changed quite a bit since 1976, but not too radically I'd say.

The P-Train power car is a LOT shorter than E-Train's cars, if only because they have no cabs on either end.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ball, Gordon" <gball@...> wrote:
>
> I think the tilt demos would be a pretty amazing feat - I remember chatting with you about it and whether it could actually take place on one of the cars, versus just the hydraulics powering a model. Seeing that much metal bob back and forth at speed must be an interesting sight. Whether you could actually be on board or not is another question*. And the poor kid who is standing too close to it would get quite a scare.
>
> I understand most of Kit's comments about why it couldn't be restored to passenger capable use - but what was meant about being 'out of gauge' with the length (not loading). Is this to do with platforms on a curve and individual car length - or is this just that the original layout is too long for heritage lines and the likes? I presume ATP-P must be 'in gauge' given it was in full service - so is this a major difference in dimension between the two? When P was hiding behind at Shildon, the one power car didn't look too different.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> * yes, I know that actually feeling it tilting back and forth is completely the opposite of how it should have felt in real life.
>
>
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of t.sage
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:38 PM
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.
>
>
> we have done the impossable more times than i can remember lol, for the next decade its going to be restoration, tilt demos, turbine demos, and a deskined power car. (also rebuild pop train and restore hastings)
> i do like a challange
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Silver_Dream_Racer<mailto:PAUL@...>
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 PM
> Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.
>
>
>
> However, we (APTer) do like to take on the impossible challenges,
> The rescue of E train shows that!!!
>
> lol, WE CAN ALWAYS DREAM!!!!!!
>
> Paul
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know how many times we've been asked this question, but it must getting into double figures by now.
> >
> > Practically the answer is no, for more than one reason. As Tim says, it would need Lottery win level money to do it firstly as we'd have to effectively re-wire the whole train from end to the other to start off and there's MILES of wire in there and no drawings available. The cost of the cable, not to mention the labour to do it, would be prohibitive.
> >
> > Secondly I'm the only engineer from the original team who's a member of the Support Group and I only know about tilt systems and some other associated area, like suspension and bogie stuff. Without a turbine guy and an electrical guy, not to mention a brake guy on board we'd have no chance.
> >
> > Thirdly we'd need to BUY the test track as there isn't anywhere else that we'd be able to run. E-Train is out of gauge for much of Network Rail's infrastructure due to its length and I seriously doubt they'd let us do it anyway. Moving the two Power Cars across the main line from the NRM to Thrall Yard taxed their credibility to its maximum anyway.
> >
> >
> > Sorry to pour water on great ideas, but that's the reality of it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kit
> >
> > --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com>, "David G" <dgattenberg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > stunning pics !!!!!!!
> > > do you think she will ever work again ??
> >
>
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From: "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:49 PM

> The geometry of the E-Train vehicles and joint modules allow full tilt of
> both vehicles opposite directions,

> The vehicles won't topple over even with full 12 deg static tilt applied,

Thanks for the reassurance Kit.

Would it make sense to add lateral jacks to the steering beams to push the
car back into the loading gauge (or to put it another way, make it tilt
about its waist rather than floor), as it would have done when running?

[If you recall, on the Pendulino Fiat forgot about their lateral suspension
and need the opposite: a jack to pull the body back into gauge.]

David 1/2d

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/30july2011/30july2011.htm

All ready for the 13th August now.

Regards

Paul

An interesting video I put together to show the changes in the VIP lounge from 2000 to 2011, using morphing technology.

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/30july2011/vip.wmv

Hope you enjoy.

Regards

Paul

David,

To tilt the vehicles statically it's OK as it is.

The dampers between the steering beams and wheelset frames are pretty stiff even today, and when we ran both Power Cars back-to-back across from the NRM to the Thrall Yard they pumped themselves up to full pressure with maybe 50 yards of curves and maintainted the steering beam within normal lateral limits. Tilting statically tends to move the steering beams sideways because of those dampers, but with only one vehicle tilting and the end of each '2-car train' effectively restrained by the adjacent static vehicle this movement is somewhat limited.

We quite often tilted any and all vehicles on PoP Train and E-Train to the full 12 deg. without worrying about sideways movement of the steering beams or the swing links.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:49 PM
>
> > The geometry of the E-Train vehicles and joint modules allow full tilt of
> > both vehicles opposite directions,
>
> > The vehicles won't topple over even with full 12 deg static tilt applied,
>
> Thanks for the reassurance Kit.
>
> Would it make sense to add lateral jacks to the steering beams to push the
> car back into the loading gauge (or to put it another way, make it tilt
> about its waist rather than floor), as it would have done when running?
>
> [If you recall, on the Pendulino Fiat forgot about their lateral suspension
> and need the opposite: a jack to pull the body back into gauge.]
>
> David 1/2d

Could be a copy in the RDDS library in Derby - I'll see whatbwe've got.

Martin C

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Nick Evans <nicks-ygroups@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rob
>
> Thats exactly what we need.
>
> Nick
>
> On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 16:58 +0000, aptp370 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello Nick
> >
> > You need a copy of drawing AP-A0-0048 I have a poor print of it that I
> > have scanned here -
> >
> > http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint001.jpg
> > http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint002.jpg
> > http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint003.jpg
> > http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint004.jpg
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Rob
> > www.APT-P.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hello Martin

could you also look for the 'BR INFORMATION SHEET 841 ITEM 2' as mentioned on the PC Painting Drawing - or if that doesn't have the logo any other one of the 'InterCity APT' logo ?

When Virgin repainted at Crewe I got the CAD drawing office at Bombardier Crewe to redraw the logo off a photo for the sign company but they got the size of the 'C' too large !

Best wishes


Rob
www.APT-P.com

Can I suggest that it might be a good idea to get some publicity for APT-E from the recent reunion at Shildon? I would have thought we could get the group shot into Rail magazine together with a descrition of the group and the train. At the very least we could remind the UK rail community that APT-E still holds the UK non-electric rail speed record.

Happy to take the lead on this if it's thought to be a good idea.

Martin C

Its a very very good idea Martin.

Lets see what we can do.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "brookweed5" <brookweed5@...> wrote:
>
> Can I suggest that it might be a good idea to get some publicity for APT-E from the recent reunion at Shildon? I would have thought we could get the group shot into Rail magazine together with a descrition of the group and the train. At the very least we could remind the UK rail community that APT-E still holds the UK non-electric rail speed record.
>
> Happy to take the lead on this if it's thought to be a good idea.
>
> Martin C
>

Hi all,
Sorry for the delay in geting the E train site updated, sadly work is geting in the way. I am away on a well earned holiday next, so please bare with me. I will get it done as soon as I get back.

Needless to say, the re-union went brilliant, a very very good day and thanks to everyone who attended and helped out with the event.

My APT bible was signed by all the team who attended, ace!!!! , I still keep looking at it.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 Hastings Conservation & Support Group

I once drew up the APT-P logo (with a decent sized C) as a vector image - did I ever send that to you? If not I can look it out again.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "aptp370" <rob@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Martin
>
> could you also look for the 'BR INFORMATION SHEET 841 ITEM 2' as mentioned on the PC Painting Drawing - or if that doesn't have the logo any other one of the 'InterCity APT' logo ?
>
> When Virgin repainted at Crewe I got the CAD drawing office at Bombardier Crewe to redraw the logo off a photo for the sign company but they got the size of the 'C' too large !
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Rob
> www.APT-P.com
>

Hello,

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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
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Subject: <APT Group> New file uploaded to Advanced-Passenger-Train

>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the
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I've attached the image as a .GIF because I suspect a lot of people may
struggle to open the uploaded .AI file.

[ I'd have added it to the Files, but there's no Add File button - presume
Moderators only? ]

David 1/2d

Thanks David

I included it as a Illustrator file as most sign shops can handle these vector images so they can be scaled up to the size required to cut vinyl for 49006...

Has Martin had any joy finding the sheet with the InterCityAPT logo on ? - Please let us all know !

Best wishes


Rob
www.APT-P.com

Hi All,
After a short while, Ive finally got around to posting an event update.

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/reunion2011/reunion2011.htm

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 (Hastings) Support Group.

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From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 3:43 PM
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: <APT Group> APT-E Team Re-union 13th August 2011 Report

> Hi All,
> After a short while, Ive finally got around to posting an event update.
>
> http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/reunion2011/reunion2011.htm
>

Thank you so much Paul, not just for the whole day but for all the years of
work.

The day itself was surreal - I found voices from across a room especially
evocative.

You'll be relieved to hear that I had my specially-grown Legacy 70's Hair
cut immediately afterwards, and have hung up my Legacy Office Suit for a
long wait.

David 1/2d

Hi David,
It was such a great day, and I was just amazed by the team turn out.
It was also nice to put faces to names that I know more than too well.

Things for E train can only go from strength to strength now.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 3:43 PM
> To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: <APT Group> APT-E Team Re-union 13th August 2011 Report
>
> > Hi All,
> > After a short while, Ive finally got around to posting an event update.
> >
> > http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/reunion2011/reunion2011.htm
> >
>
> Thank you so much Paul, not just for the whole day but for all the years of
> work.
>
> The day itself was surreal - I found voices from across a room especially
> evocative.
>
> You'll be relieved to hear that I had my specially-grown Legacy 70's Hair
> cut immediately afterwards, and have hung up my Legacy Office Suit for a
> long wait.
>
> David 1/2d
>

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From: "tanyajane" <tanyajane@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:32 PM

Tanya,

I found this interesting in the light of the recent APT 40th anniversary
reunion:

> The many technical advances gained by the APT
> project will be laid out (i my book), but with the question mark as to
> whether it was
> the business of the organisation charged with the day-to-day running of
> the
> railway network to undertake such research. Who else, though?

Well, remember the first project team was from Hawker Siddeley (Brush), but
that didn't last long.

Once APT had been brought in-house, APT-E was very much the baby of the
Research & Development Division.
That often bizarre organisation was most definitely not charged with the
running of anything, but what it did have was a very broad idea of what the
technical problems of the network were - track, bridges, signalling,
timetabling, overhead line, right down to fabrics and paint. Most of these
were of the day-to-day knotty technical problem type, but R&DD also had
deep insight at a senior level into the fundamental issue facing rail
travel: wheel-rail conditions set a limit to maximum speed. Not only that,
but the top men, Director Stanley Smith and Board Member Sidney Jones, had
aircraft backgrounds and recognised that the mathematics behind this
problem paralleled the Flutter Problem in aerodynamics. So they equipped
the R&DD with three vital components:
- a mixed bunch of guys who between them knew the maths, knew rail
technology, and knew what was outside the railway's usual horizon.
- magnificent laboratories capable of simulating and analysing vibration.
- an IBM 360 computer.

On the other hand APT-P was nominally the baby of M&EE HQ. On paper this
made it look much more 'real railway', but I suspect the opposite was the
case. To start with M&EE HQ wasn't charged with day to day running either -
that was done by the four Regional M&EE departments. And while it certainly
tackled daily problems, they were largely train-based ones that didn't
apply to a very different kind of train. And apart from overhead line it
didn't have experience with the broader disciplines needed to forge a new
Concept. Therefore practically as well as managerially the APT-P team were
an enclave within M&EE HQ, working closely with R&DD's Advanced Projects
Division rather than the rest of M&EE - though not without tensions. The
next big relationship was with BREL during the build stage. Only once the
three trains were assembled were strong alliances forged with other parts
of M&EE, notably the T&RS Testing Section and the Scottish Region M&EE
depot at Shields, Glasgow.

In the early days, and in stark contrast to R&DD, M&EE top management were
notable by their absence, and didn't appear to have the same overall
appreciation of The Issues. I met T.C.B. Miller only once, and frankly he
looked scared. Once the trains were hitting service problems the top brass
of M&EE got drawn into the problem-solving. For the successive Directors of
MEE themselves, managing a Department that was a massive industry in its
own right, APT was but one pickle among many - the BREL Problem - the HST
Engine Problem - the Freight Problem - the Electrification Problem - the
Lightweight Railcar Problem and so forth.

Last month the wife of the APT Design Engineer (later Inter City Engineer)
represented her husband at the anniversary bash. She said how deeply sad
she was that his work on APT had been discarded. So on the trip we kept
pointing out that it hasn't been - merely disguised. On Darlington station
she could see that an East Coast train is pretty well 'half a P-train'
without the tilt (see Pendolino) or the articulation (see Eurostar).
Similarly welded aluminium bodyshells lurk behind the paint of some DMUs.
Pretty well all bogies younger than HST owe something to APT, and so on. I
hope it helped.

With hindsight we would have done APT differently. Very differently. But
that's another story.

David 1/2d

David

Just to reinforce your point about Class 91 + Mk IVs being "pretty well half a P-train"; I once penetrated some of the disguise!

In my later years at BR Research I was responsible for the installation of the OLIVE* overhead line condition monitoring system, to begin with on 87024. One day, whilst at Bounds Green, assisting in the investigation of a pantograph failure, I took the opportunity of looking inside a Class 91 to see if there was a suitable location to mount OLIVE equipment. I found an empty cabinet labelled "Tilt Pack"!

It's accepted wisdom, of course, that the body mounted motors, drive shaft and gear box were virtually straight from APT-P.

Regards

Gerry

(* Overhead Line Investigation by Vehicular Equipment)

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 02/09/2011 at 00:04 David Halfpenny gmail wrote:

>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "tanyajane" <tanyajane@...>
>Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:32 PM
>
>Tanya,
>
>I found this interesting in the light of the recent APT 40th anniversary
>reunion:
>
>> The many technical advances gained by the APT
>> project will be laid out (i my book), but with the question mark as to
>> whether it was
>> the business of the organisation charged with the day-to-day running of
>> the
>> railway network to undertake such research. Who else, though?
>
>Well, remember the first project team was from Hawker Siddeley (Brush),
>but
>that didn't last long.
>
>Once APT had been brought in-house, APT-E was very much the baby of the
>Research & Development Division.
>That often bizarre organisation was most definitely not charged with the
>running of anything, but what it did have was a very broad idea of what
>the
>technical problems of the network were - track, bridges, signalling,
>timetabling, overhead line, right down to fabrics and paint. Most of these
>were of the day-to-day knotty technical problem type, but R&DD also had
>deep insight at a senior level into the fundamental issue facing rail
>travel: wheel-rail conditions set a limit to maximum speed. Not only that,
>but the top men, Director Stanley Smith and Board Member Sidney Jones, had
>aircraft backgrounds and recognised that the mathematics behind this
>problem paralleled the Flutter Problem in aerodynamics. So they equipped
>the R&DD with three vital components:
>- a mixed bunch of guys who between them knew the maths, knew rail
>technology, and knew what was outside the railway's usual horizon.
>- magnificent laboratories capable of simulating and analysing vibration.
>- an IBM 360 computer.
>
>On the other hand APT-P was nominally the baby of M&EE HQ. On paper this
>made it look much more 'real railway', but I suspect the opposite was the
>case. To start with M&EE HQ wasn't charged with day to day running either
>-
>that was done by the four Regional M&EE departments. And while it
>certainly
>tackled daily problems, they were largely train-based ones that didn't
>apply to a very different kind of train. And apart from overhead line it
>didn't have experience with the broader disciplines needed to forge a new
>Concept. Therefore practically as well as managerially the APT-P team were
>an enclave within M&EE HQ, working closely with R&DD's Advanced Projects
>Division rather than the rest of M&EE - though not without tensions. The
>next big relationship was with BREL during the build stage. Only once the
>three trains were assembled were strong alliances forged with other parts
>of M&EE, notably the T&RS Testing Section and the Scottish Region M&EE
>depot at Shields, Glasgow.
>
>In the early days, and in stark contrast to R&DD, M&EE top management were
>notable by their absence, and didn't appear to have the same overall
>appreciation of The Issues. I met T.C.B. Miller only once, and frankly he
>looked scared. Once the trains were hitting service problems the top brass
>of M&EE got drawn into the problem-solving. For the successive Directors
>of
>MEE themselves, managing a Department that was a massive industry in its
>own right, APT was but one pickle among many - the BREL Problem - the HST
>Engine Problem - the Freight Problem - the Electrification Problem - the
>Lightweight Railcar Problem and so forth.
>
>Last month the wife of the APT Design Engineer (later Inter City Engineer)
>represented her husband at the anniversary bash. She said how deeply sad
>she was that his work on APT had been discarded. So on the trip we kept
>pointing out that it hasn't been - merely disguised. On Darlington station
>she could see that an East Coast train is pretty well 'half a P-train'
>without the tilt (see Pendolino) or the articulation (see Eurostar).
>Similarly welded aluminium bodyshells lurk behind the paint of some DMUs.
>Pretty well all bogies younger than HST owe something to APT, and so on. I
>hope it helped.
>
>With hindsight we would have done APT differently. Very differently. But
>that's another story.
>
>David 1/2d
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi All,
Who was in charge of the class 91 gearboxes and trans......

Mike Newman, Im sure Mike would have been more than aware of the system used on P train, even though he left BR before the final P train design was confirmed. If Mike would have been well enough to attend the re-union (Which I was very disappointed to find out he was unable to) I would have asked him this very question.

I am going to re-invite Mike to visit E train as I want him to know just what has happend to E train and for him to know, it is safe for the future.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 (Hastings) Support Group

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Bates" <gerry@...> wrote:
>
> David
>
> Just to reinforce your point about Class 91 + Mk IVs being "pretty well half a P-train"; I once penetrated some of the disguise!
>
> In my later years at BR Research I was responsible for the installation of the OLIVE* overhead line condition monitoring system, to begin with on 87024. One day, whilst at Bounds Green, assisting in the investigation of a pantograph failure, I took the opportunity of looking inside a Class 91 to see if there was a suitable location to mount OLIVE equipment. I found an empty cabinet labelled "Tilt Pack"!
>
> It's accepted wisdom, of course, that the body mounted motors, drive shaft and gear box were virtually straight from APT-P.
>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
> (* Overhead Line Investigation by Vehicular Equipment)
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 02/09/2011 at 00:04 David Halfpenny gmail wrote:
>
> >--------------------------------------------------
> >From: "tanyajane" <tanyajane@...>
> >Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:32 PM
> >
> >Tanya,
> >
> >I found this interesting in the light of the recent APT 40th anniversary
> >reunion:
> >
> >> The many technical advances gained by the APT
> >> project will be laid out (i my book), but with the question mark as to
> >> whether it was
> >> the business of the organisation charged with the day-to-day running of
> >> the
> >> railway network to undertake such research. Who else, though?
> >
> >Well, remember the first project team was from Hawker Siddeley (Brush),
> >but
> >that didn't last long.
> >
> >Once APT had been brought in-house, APT-E was very much the baby of the
> >Research & Development Division.
> >That often bizarre organisation was most definitely not charged with the
> >running of anything, but what it did have was a very broad idea of what
> >the
> >technical problems of the network were - track, bridges, signalling,
> >timetabling, overhead line, right down to fabrics and paint. Most of these
> >were of the day-to-day knotty technical problem type, but R&DD also had
> >deep insight at a senior level into the fundamental issue facing rail
> >travel: wheel-rail conditions set a limit to maximum speed. Not only that,
> >but the top men, Director Stanley Smith and Board Member Sidney Jones, had
> >aircraft backgrounds and recognised that the mathematics behind this
> >problem paralleled the Flutter Problem in aerodynamics. So they equipped
> >the R&DD with three vital components:
> >- a mixed bunch of guys who between them knew the maths, knew rail
> >technology, and knew what was outside the railway's usual horizon.
> >- magnificent laboratories capable of simulating and analysing vibration.
> >- an IBM 360 computer.
> >
> >On the other hand APT-P was nominally the baby of M&EE HQ. On paper this
> >made it look much more 'real railway', but I suspect the opposite was the
> >case. To start with M&EE HQ wasn't charged with day to day running either
> >-
> >that was done by the four Regional M&EE departments. And while it
> >certainly
> >tackled daily problems, they were largely train-based ones that didn't
> >apply to a very different kind of train. And apart from overhead line it
> >didn't have experience with the broader disciplines needed to forge a new
> >Concept. Therefore practically as well as managerially the APT-P team were
> >an enclave within M&EE HQ, working closely with R&DD's Advanced Projects
> >Division rather than the rest of M&EE - though not without tensions. The
> >next big relationship was with BREL during the build stage. Only once the
> >three trains were assembled were strong alliances forged with other parts
> >of M&EE, notably the T&RS Testing Section and the Scottish Region M&EE
> >depot at Shields, Glasgow.
> >
> >In the early days, and in stark contrast to R&DD, M&EE top management were
> >notable by their absence, and didn't appear to have the same overall
> >appreciation of The Issues. I met T.C.B. Miller only once, and frankly he
> >looked scared. Once the trains were hitting service problems the top brass
> >of M&EE got drawn into the problem-solving. For the successive Directors
> >of
> >MEE themselves, managing a Department that was a massive industry in its
> >own right, APT was but one pickle among many - the BREL Problem - the HST
> >Engine Problem - the Freight Problem - the Electrification Problem - the
> >Lightweight Railcar Problem and so forth.
> >
> >Last month the wife of the APT Design Engineer (later Inter City Engineer)
> >represented her husband at the anniversary bash. She said how deeply sad
> >she was that his work on APT had been discarded. So on the trip we kept
> >pointing out that it hasn't been - merely disguised. On Darlington station
> >she could see that an East Coast train is pretty well 'half a P-train'
> >without the tilt (see Pendolino) or the articulation (see Eurostar).
> >Similarly welded aluminium bodyshells lurk behind the paint of some DMUs.
> >Pretty well all bogies younger than HST owe something to APT, and so on. I
> >hope it helped.
> >
> >With hindsight we would have done APT differently. Very differently. But
> >that's another story.
> >
> >David 1/2d
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Don't remember you Gerry...? Mind you, I didn't know that many people on
OLIVE - I joined BRR in 1997 (just after it became AEA!) and most of my
work on OLIVE was with the software mapping end of it (with Phil Horne).
I did do a bit of work with Pete Keen & Rob Philpott though.

Dave

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Burbridge" <dave_burbridge@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:21 PM
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: <APT Group> Digest Number 1406

> Don't remember you Gerry...?

No need for a question mark Dave - if you'd met Gerry you'd never forget
him :-)

David 1/2d

Dave

There's a very obvious explanation. I retired in early 1997 - before privatisation!

I subsequently did some odd days of consultancy work with the team, mainly doing partial discharge measurements on emu cables, although the last few days I did were in the HV lab, surveying the equipment installed in the Kelvin House lab then the first of two days recommissioning the equipment after it was moved to the test hall. I was never called to do the second day!

Regards

Gerry

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 03/09/2011 at 22:21 Dave Burbridge wrote:

>Don't remember you Gerry...? Mind you, I didn't know that many people on
>OLIVE - I joined BRR in 1997 (just after it became AEA!) and most of my
>work on OLIVE was with the software mapping end of it (with Phil Horne).
>I did do a bit of work with Pete Keen & Rob Philpott though.
>
>Dave
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi all,
With a bit of luck, over the coming weekend, I will update Kits photo section on the E train website, with an extra new set of 280 photos.

Ive been busy scanning Kits bag of lost negatives and slides, and there are some cracking shots of POP and E train, from all over the place.

The shots looking out of the cab while running on the old dalby test track are just fantastic.

What this space.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 (Hastings) support group

For the THIRD time things that have meant to have happened concerning the move of Lab 4 to Coventry have gone awry!

This time the moving contracter's prime mover has developed a gearbox fault, and the move planned for today is 'postponed'. On two previous occasions I've shown up at various places that, were meant to be part of this move, only to find that people who were meant to have done stuff just haven't done so, or didn't show up. In all cases it's involved me in miles of driving, overnight hotel costs and wasted time.

If I was a business I'd sue, this is costing me a small fortune and I'm on a pension, darn it!

Doesn't ANYONE in this 'railway preservation' field do anything they say they are going to do?

Very Disgruntled (and poor....) Kit

I think I might know where the electrical drawings are...

Martin C

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "t.sage" <T.SAGE@...> wrote:
>
> we have done the impossable more times than i can remember lol, for the next decade its going to be restoration, tilt demos, turbine demos, and a deskined power car. (also rebuild pop train and restore hastings)
> i do like a challange
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Silver_Dream_Racer
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:17 PM
> Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Work day report for 30th July 2011.
>
>
>
> However, we (APTer) do like to take on the impossible challenges,
> The rescue of E train shows that!!!
>
> lol, WE CAN ALWAYS DREAM!!!!!!
>
> Paul
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know how many times we've been asked this question, but it must getting into double figures by now.
> >
> > Practically the answer is no, for more than one reason. As Tim says, it would need Lottery win level money to do it firstly as we'd have to effectively re-wire the whole train from end to the other to start off and there's MILES of wire in there and no drawings available. The cost of the cable, not to mention the labour to do it, would be prohibitive.
> >
> > Secondly I'm the only engineer from the original team who's a member of the Support Group and I only know about tilt systems and some other associated area, like suspension and bogie stuff. Without a turbine guy and an electrical guy, not to mention a brake guy on board we'd have no chance.
> >
> > Thirdly we'd need to BUY the test track as there isn't anywhere else that we'd be able to run. E-Train is out of gauge for much of Network Rail's infrastructure due to its length and I seriously doubt they'd let us do it anyway. Moving the two Power Cars across the main line from the NRM to Thrall Yard taxed their credibility to its maximum anyway.
> >
> >
> > Sorry to pour water on great ideas, but that's the reality of it.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kit
> >
> > --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David G" <dgattenberg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > stunning pics !!!!!!!
> > > do you think she will ever work again ??
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Derby Industrial Museum...

Hi All,
As promised, Kits volume 2 is now live, you will need up to date flash.

http://www.apt-e.org/kit2/Kit2.html

They are in no order as such, but there is plenty of cracking photos.

Regards

Paul

What an absolutely fantastic set of pics. Lab 24, oh yes!

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> As promised, Kits volume 2 is now live, you will need up to date flash.
>
> http://www.apt-e.org/kit2/Kit2.html
>
> They are in no order as such, but there is plenty of cracking photos.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>

Glad you like them Shane. <g>

There's an story about this lot of piccies too. When Paul and I were chatting about the Re-Union weekend's activities I said I'd bring my Marler-Hayley display boards up for the occasion with the small collection of APT related photos attached. I mentioned that I really ought to look out the '....few other negatives' that I'd still got filed away somewhere, and I started to search for them.

In our house that becomes a MAJOR task, as we have a sizeable 3 bedroomed house but there's only room for the two of us, and a smallish cat, such is the amount of stuff we both have for our numerous hobbies! After some time I tracked down a large manila envelope and a few slide boxes, all of which seemed to relate to the APT Project and I bundled them up and gave them to Paul at Shildon. He took them home and after investing in a 35 mm negative scanner he told me there were WELL over 200 previously unseen (by him) photos there!

I'd only chosen the pick of the bunch for the previous 'Kit's Collection' on the APT-E web site, and had almost totally forgotten about the rest. After hours and hours of work on Paul's part you can now see the results.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "shane.wilton" <shane.wilton@...> wrote:
>
> What an absolutely fantastic set of pics. Lab 24, oh yes!
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > As promised, Kits volume 2 is now live, you will need up to date flash.
> >
> > http://www.apt-e.org/kit2/Kit2.html
> >
> > They are in no order as such, but there is plenty of cracking photos.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Paul
> >
>

As I write this Hastings Coach is en route from the Walthamstow Pump House Museum to her new home at the Electric Railway Museum in Coventry!

The only bad news is I'm not there to see it happen as I've been stricken with a hefty lung infection and I'n on some seriously powerful pills that make it inadvisable to drive for a day or so. Couldn't be worse timing really.

I owe a big debt to Nick Evans who's stepped into the breach to look after things in my place, so Nick, beers are on me sometime soon.

Hastings Coach should be in her new home some time tomorrow morning with luck, and then we can start work on her at last.

Regards
Kit

Kit

Got a series of video's and photo from the day when iget home after being at pump house will post them

Mark

Hi

First of videos

http://youtu.be/5gfI0HtEkHE

and pictures

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mainlytrains/sets/72157627606104297/

Mark

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Mark <gmnauk@...> wrote:
>
> Kit
>
> Got a series of video's and photo from the day when iget home after being at
> pump house will post them
>
> Mark
> On 22 Sep 2011 20:48, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
> > As I write this Hastings Coach is en route from the Walthamstow Pump House
> Museum to her new home at the Electric Railway Museum in Coventry!
> >
> > The only bad news is I'm not there to see it happen as I've been stricken
> with a hefty lung infection and I'n on some seriously powerful pills that
> make it inadvisable to drive for a day or so. Couldn't be worse timing
> really.
> >
> > I owe a big debt to Nick Evans who's stepped into the breach to look after
> things in my place, so Nick, beers are on me sometime soon.
> >
> > Hastings Coach should be in her new home some time tomorrow morning with
> luck, and then we can start work on her at last.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kit
> >
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