Hi Gordon and all,
Actually, we are going one better than a screen saver. Ive already started work on the record run project.

A digital image copy of the speedo is going to be displayed with a CGI pointer, at the same time, we are going to play the record run intercom recording through the PA system we are fitting, when Hugh Williams calls out the speeds, the pointer will be in the correct place on the screen, should make an interesting event. We can as you say, always use the screen for other things, and indeed we will.

It was a little strange working in the VIP in TC1 with the lights on, as they where nice and bright, people kept looking in at us, it was a bit like being in a goldfish bowl, LOL!!!

We should make good progress now on the refit, now that we know what needs doing.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 Conservation & Support Group.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ball, Gordon [Sec Div]" <gball@...> wrote:
>
> Wow - that looks like another great day!
>
> So the speedo is going to be replaced by a lcd panel to show some of the video clips. Maybe we can mock up the original analogue speedometer to have as a screensaver - pointing to 152mph :-)
>
> What was broken with the original speedo - is it just missing its pointer needle and glass? I'm sure that must be a collectors item!
>
> I remember travelling on the German ICE train about 20 years ago, they had a large LED speed display to show when the train reached top speed, was an interesting thing to stare at as we travelled along. Was it there to show off? Or was it to keep the passengers entertained? Strangely enough, FirstGreatWestern recently reintroduced the speed display when they added the funny seat-back entertainment screens last year (yes we now have video on demand on our Paddington routes!) I think they took it off because people were too enthralled looking at the map and displayed speed, rather than paying to watch some film.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Silver_Dream_Racer
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:31 PM
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> APT-E Work Day Report For The 5th March 2011.
>
>
>
> Hi All,
> Ive just updated the E train site to include the workday report for the 5th March 2011.
>
> Please see:-
>
> http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/5march2011/5march2011.htm
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> APT-E /HSFV1 Conservation & Support Group.
>
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Hi Alan
Ah - I see Kit's model - The one in the bottle. Nice! :)

I'm gonna build mine in British N. I like the idea of making a small test track layout where I can also run some of the Farish / Dapol RTC limited editions. I might even make a Drewry car too if I can find a small enough chassis.  

Wow -Gauge 1 - Big! Are you gonna install active tilt? I'd love to see some photos of progress on your model!

Arlen

Hi Shane
Wow. Nice work on E-train's A frame construction! Great detail! :) Are you planning to make etches available at some point?

Arlen

All   On the subject of rivets – there is a clever riveting tool made by Trumpeter of china which is a bit like a pizza cutter. You roll it down the back of a sheet of plastikard and a line of rivets is seen on the other. I have to confess to not actually using the one I have yet but it looks as if it will do the job. There is a website www.trumpeter-china.com   I got mine in the local model shop.   regards   Paul Rowlinson Head of Operations, London Sanctuary Management Services Dinwiddy House, 189-205 Pentonville Road, London, N1 9NF   Tel: 0207 812 0022 Mob: 07787 834807   Sanctuary Management Services is part of Sanctuary Group   paul.rowlinson@...   From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of misterrtilt Sent: 05 March 2011 13:10 To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E modelling     Jeepers, so many people wanting to model E-Train! Amazing..... Numerous points arise after reading the thread, so this reply could go on a bit. Firstly, the train was hardly ever the same from one test run to the next, so no drawings are ever going to show it 100% correct, only as it was on one particular day. However, as it still exists almost any problem can be solved by going to Shildon and looking and measuring. OK, so that means you'd end up modelling it as it is right NOW, but 99% of people won't know it any other way, will they? That goes for everyone else modelling it too, plans aren't the be-all and end-all of what the train looked like really. As for rivets, only the Trailer Cars have visible rivets, the Power Cars are flush riveted, but do show panel lines where the various skin panels join up. In most cases the TC rivets are around 4-5 mm in dia. at most, and less than 3 mm high, so highly visible they aren't, especially in N gauge! I made my N gauge E-Train (STILL unfinshed after umpteen years....) from sheet styrene over styrene bulkheads, but I made no attempt to make the vehicles tilt. I used bogies from an N gauge Ibertren RENFE Talgo train, which had it's diaphragm type joint modules mounted on the bogies themselves. These aren't exact copies of E-Train JMs, but can be made to look almost like them, plus they have the swivel joint system built into the joint modules, which makes life easier. For my power bogie, and remember the real train only has drive on four axles, I used a Minitrix Class 33 bogie with the motor replaced by an ECM Type 1 motor, their smallest. I have no doubt that many smaller motors are available nowadays, and hopefully you won't have to file off the corners of the motor casing as I had to! My power car nose was made the same way as the body shell, styrene sheet cut to shape, glued up and then much PSR work (= Putty, Sand, Repeat....) till it looked right. It's not that difficult a shape to make, believe me. On the mirrored windows, E-Train always had mirrored windows on both trailer cars from the first run, but TC1 ONLY has them on the VIP compartment end, not on the end toward PC1. We had seats fitted in the VIP compartment from the start too, but no trim or carpets were fitted before Rebuild 1. The mirrored look comes from a thin plastic sheet on the inside of the inner window panes, just like a custom car. But if you'd like people to see the inside why not mirror one side and leave the other clear? People can only see one side at a time remember. You could even build one side of one power car 'de-skinned' too, but rather you than me making all the bits and pieces inside there! Changing to other's comments, I would imagine there's NO chance of Bachmann making an E-Train. We've had this loads of times before, and while everyone here is a big APT fan, by definition, the big markets for manufacturers are all nhard-over steam and diesel nuts. Most of them think APT was a 'dead end train that made people sick' to this day. As for Shane's etched brass POP Train, you sir are totally deranged! <g> Deranged but amazingly skillfull, that looks SO much like the real thing it brought back wonderful memories, especially the end-on views of your model, it was just like the view I had from the opposite car when we were on a test run. Having built a steering beam for the SA bogie you're half way to an E1T anyway, as the steering beam was the same on both bogie designs. Indeed they were the SAME steering beams, the ones that still support the train to this day. Hope that lot helps some anyway. Regards Kit --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Arlen Andra S Bone <arlenbone@...> wrote: > > Hi > I am a big fan of the APT-E and a number of years ago attended a couple of the conservation and support work days at the NRM. I am interested in making a model of the train and would like to know where I can get hold of some accurate (and preferably large scale) design drawings for the train. I would like to make models of both the TCs and the power car in order to create moulds so that more cast resin vehicles can be made. I am also interested in creating a bogie design that can utilise a system of ramps to tilt the vehicles when they go into a curve -just like hornby did on their P-train model. > > I can see that building a model of E train would be somewhat fraut with practical issues if one were to attempt to model each and every rivet in a small scale such > as N gauge. I'm doubtful whether it would be possible to reproduce the same level of rivet detail that is visible on Dapol's excellent class 153! A lot of real life rail vehicles do indeed have a lot of rivet detail and I am interested in finding out more about the level of rivet detail possible in n-scale etched brass kits -just to see what level of detail could be remoulded. -I have been thinking about buying myself an MSL hobbies EM2 kit, partially 'cos I also like Woodhead locos -but also to see how the many of the rivets of those prototypes are reproduced on their etched brass kit, if at all, -and to see how satisfactory the overall effect is in N gauge, with or without full rivet detail. Similarly I'm interested in seeing the level of detailing possible Re: grilles etc. that is possible in N gauge. -So I can ascertain the best mode of construction / materials etc for my initial model. (probably either plasticard / brass -with embedded grilles > constructed from strip styrene.) > > I'm aware that there's a company that does N scale transfers for E-train (and also for p-train -and also for a whole myriad of RTC test vehicles) -so at least that aspect of the modelling shouldn't prove too hard. > > constructing / carving a half decent nose for the initial model / mould might be tricky! > > And then there's the issue of bogies. I think I'd need a lot of drawings to construct these -and possibly a number of proprietary parts to detail them. > > given the fact I'd be creating an articulated train, motorising the train might prove difficult. I think it would be feasible to motorise the leading bogies somehow - modifying an existing 4 wheel chassis to incorporate a ramp based tilt system. The fact one would need to construct artic bogies that are joined onto the shared doors  -and also somehow engage the 'ramps' that tilt the train would be very difficult indeed - nevertheless I > think that it would still be possible. > > I'm aware of how E-Train has mirrored windows. Was this done with a painted or spraypainted on solution -or was it done with mirror film? I have managed to find a number of manufacturers of mirrored plastic sheet that could be used for this purpose -and one that even makes 2 way mirror plastic sheet! -However I am actually interested in creating a rudimentary interior for my model -including the various partitions etc -and possibly even the VIP lounge! If E-train ever ran without the mirrors I'd love to know -becuase I wouldn't mind making the interiors visible. Was the VIP lounge incorporated in the train before or after the windows were mirrored -or were the seats put in at the same time?       > > If anybody can help me to get hold of some photocopies / scans of some accurate plans I'd therefore be very very grateful. > > thanks Arlen Bone >        >   Click here to report this email as spam to Sanctuary's managed spam filter, Websense Hosted Security. (Do NOT click on 'remove me' or other links from spam as that may confirm your email to the spam sender or lead to malicious websites)   Sanctuary Group, Chamber Court, Castle Street, Worcester, WR1 3ZQTel: 01905 338600 Fax: 01905 338700 View our disclaimer at:www.sanctuary-group.co.uk/Pages/SanctuaryHousingAssociationDisclaimer.aspx Sanctuary Group is a trading name of Sanctuary Housing Association, an exempt charity.

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Hi

Been searching all over for the lengths of the vehicles that made up the APT-P.

Anyone got them to hand....

TIA

Mark

On 15/03/2011 20:38, gmnauk wrote:

> Hi
>
> Been searching all over for the lengths of the vehicles that made up the APT-P.
>
> Anyone got them to hand....

Vehicle Type Length (m)
Driving Trailer Second DTS 21.44
Trailer Second TS 21.00
Trailer Restaurant/Buffet Second TRBS 21.00
Trailer Unclassed TU 21.00
Trailer First TF 21.00
Trailer Brake First TBF 21.10
Non-Driving Motor NDM 20.40



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Hi All,
Just a note to say its APT-E weekend again already (this Saturday) if anyone fancys lending a hand.

VIP re-fit on-going and electrical work.

Fitting of the first LCD panel, with a little luck, will also take place.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 conservation & support group

.

HI Alan,
No, there are the same on both sides,

PC1 , TC1 , TC2, PC2

And will be again, when we get time to paint them back on.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 Conservation & Support Group

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Coombe" <a2cmodel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Been looking at getting the decals made for my APT-E model.
>
> The identification marks on the four units seem to be limited to me from the photos I have looked at.
>
> The PCs appear to be marked on one side only at the rear and on opposite sides.
>
> The TCs appear to be marked on both sides under the vents.
>
> The result is on one side looking from the left to right you would see. PC1 TC2 TC1 PC2.
>
> The other side would only show TC1 TC2.
>
> Is this correct - seems odd to me.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alan Coombe
>
> Alan Coombe
> .
>

Hi All,
Just posted this up on the E train site.

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/3april2011/3april2011.htm

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 Conservation & Support Group.

Hi All

yesterday BBC Radio Derby broadcast a feature on the APT you can listen again on the iPlayer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/

7.53am: As part of our 40th anniversary we look back at the train that NEARLY revolutionised the British railway.

It was in Phil Trow's breakfast show and will be available for the next 6 days.

Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Silver_Dream_Racer

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 11:49 AM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E modelling

 

HI Alan,
No, there are the same on both sides,

PC1 , TC1 , TC2, PC2

And will be again, when we get time to paint them back on.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 Conservation & Support Group

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Coombe" <a2cmodel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Been looking at getting the decals made for my APT-E model.
>
> The identification marks on the four units seem to be limited to me from the photos I have looked at.
>
> The PCs appear to be marked on one side only at the rear and on opposite sides.
>
> The TCs appear to be marked on both sides under the vents.
>
> The result is on one side looking from the left to right you would see. PC1 TC2 TC1 PC2.
>
> The other side would only show TC1 TC2.
>
> Is this correct - seems odd to me.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alan Coombe
>
> Alan Coombe
> .
>

There is a new exterior model of APT-P for OpenBVE by Andy Thompson and Alan Wheeler.

http://www.apt-p.com/APTSimulators.htm

Best wishes


Rob
www.APT-P.com

I'm pleased to report that around 11 am today, the 22nd April 2011, I signed the paperwork to transfer the ownership of Lab 4 (Hastings Coach) RDB975386 to the APT-E Support and Conservation Group.

The vehicle is, of course, still at the Walthamstow Pump House Museum, but we hope to arrange her move to the Electric Railway Museum at Coventry fairly soon. She's in a pretty dire state and will need a considerable amount of work carried out before she's available for public view, at least on the inside. Any and all volunteers will be welcome to help out, and I'll post on here when we can start some serious work on her.

Regards
Kit

Well done Kit, keeps us posted as to whats happening. I live within spitting distance of Baginton, If you can spit 5 miles or so and would love the opportunity to help restore Hastings.

Cheers

Shane

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> I'm pleased to report that around 11 am today, the 22nd April 2011, I signed the paperwork to transfer the ownership of Lab 4 (Hastings Coach) RDB975386 to the APT-E Support and Conservation Group.
>
> The vehicle is, of course, still at the Walthamstow Pump House Museum, but we hope to arrange her move to the Electric Railway Museum at Coventry fairly soon. She's in a pretty dire state and will need a considerable amount of work carried out before she's available for public view, at least on the inside. Any and all volunteers will be welcome to help out, and I'll post on here when we can start some serious work on her.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/26april2011/26april2011.htm

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 Conservation & Support group.

John Harris has let me know that the funeral of Alan Hicks will be at
2.30pm on Monday 9 May at St Helen's Church, Etwall, Derby.

David 1/2d

R.I.P

"David Halfpenny wrote:

> John Harris has let me know that the funeral of Alan Hicks will be at
> 2.30pm on Monday 9 May at St Helen's Church, Etwall, Derby.

Hi All,
Just to let you all know that one of the annual cab-it weekends is about to take place up at Shildon, on this Saturday, 18th June.

This just happens to also be a support group workday.

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 Hastings Conservation & Support Group

I've just watched the above programme with ever increasing dis-belief!

While I have a certain admiration for the JNR's Bullet Trains, to say that '....this technology is now being imported back to Britain' is a gross missrepresentation of the truth! There was no mention at all of Dr Alan Wickens' work on wheel/rail dynamics in the 60s and 70s, and the programme gave the impression that the JNR's air-spring 'tilt system' was the latest thing since sliced bread, whereas the truth is anything BUT that.

I can't help but feel that the entire programme totally ignored Britain's input into high speed rail transport.

Regards
Kit

Hi Kit,
Ive watched it too, what happened to the R&D at Derby!!!!

Alan Wickens should be knighted, simple as that.

Normal media reaction, britains railway technology didnt come to anything, so lets forget about it. If they would only tell the truth for once in there lives.

OH GOD!!!!!

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> I've just watched the above programme with ever increasing dis-belief!
>
> While I have a certain admiration for the JNR's Bullet Trains, to say that '....this technology is now being imported back to Britain' is a gross missrepresentation of the truth! There was no mention at all of Dr Alan Wickens' work on wheel/rail dynamics in the 60s and 70s, and the programme gave the impression that the JNR's air-spring 'tilt system' was the latest thing since sliced bread, whereas the truth is anything BUT that.
>
> I can't help but feel that the entire programme totally ignored Britain's input into high speed rail transport.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>

Tanya,

It's on BBC2 again tonight, lateish I think. The showing I saw was a repeat from the original showing on Sunday, so they really are pushing it.

You could also watch on BBC iPlayer too, I think they show repeats for a week.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Tanya Jackson" <tanyajane@...> wrote:
>
> I missed this. Seems like that was a good thing, otherwise I would have been
> gnashing.
>
>
>
> I do intend to tell a fully informed story of the history of BR's
> technological achievements in my book. I really must get around to talking
> to some of you guys who were involved in the project - face to face if
> possible - to get the inside story. I would be grateful for the opportunity
>
>
>
> Currently I am bogged in the pre-BR era. I originally decided to simply
> write a potted o level grade history of the railway system up to BR's time.
> Then I decided that a far more interesting first chapter would be an account
> of how the system came to be an integrated system at all levels - and how it
> failed to be, at times. This has proved somewhat more complicated, but has
> taken me into some fascinating areas and made it a much better book, in my
> view.
>
>
>
>
>
> To give the Top Gear trio their due - Hamster seems to have messed up in
> this case but all three of them have shown great enthusiasm for the
> railways. That is a breakthrough in itself in terms of the old road v rail
> attitudes of this country. They could so easily simply rant on about the
> wisdom of tarmacing over railways to make new roads - as so many of their
> tarmac-head predecessors have done. In my view they have produced some of
> the best publicity for rail in years and shown it's possible for car lovers
> to like trains as well. For that I can forgive them some factual errors -
> which I will correct in my book, with your guys help.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
>
> Tanya
>
> Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> HMRS Transfer development manager and British Rail carriage steward
>
>
>
>
>
>
> www.hmrs.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>
> transfersdev@...
> List owner: LMSReg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lmsreg
>
>
>
>
>
>
> List owner: Trackwork
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/trackwork/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Silver_Dream_Racer
> Sent: 14 June 2011 11:20
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> Re: Richard Hammond's Engineering Connections
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Kit,
> Ive watched it too, what happened to the R&D at Derby!!!!
>
> Alan Wickens should be knighted, simple as that.
>
> Normal media reaction, britains railway technology didnt come to anything,
> so lets forget about it. If they would only tell the truth for once in there
> lives.
>
> OH GOD!!!!!
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com> , "misterrtilt"
> <bosspecops@> wrote:
> >
> > I've just watched the above programme with ever increasing dis-belief!
> >
> > While I have a certain admiration for the JNR's Bullet Trains, to say that
> '....this technology is now being imported back to Britain' is a gross
> missrepresentation of the truth! There was no mention at all of Dr Alan
> Wickens' work on wheel/rail dynamics in the 60s and 70s, and the programme
> gave the impression that the JNR's air-spring 'tilt system' was the latest
> thing since sliced bread, whereas the truth is anything BUT that.
> >
> > I can't help but feel that the entire programme totally ignored Britain's
> input into high speed rail transport.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kit
> >
>

DISGRACEFUL !!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0121l52/Richard_Hammonds_Engineering_Connections_Series_3_Bullet_Train/

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/18june2011/18june2011.htm

Regards

Paul
APT-E / HSFV1 / Lab 4 Hastings Support Group.

I'm going to be at the Electric Railway Museum this Saturday 25th June armed with big hammers, screwdrivers and crowbars to try and rid HSFV1 of the wooden platform that currently covers most of its deck.

I started this work at the last ERM Open Day a few weeks ago, but I didn't have heavy enough tools, it seems they added the decking using the world's longest nails, and they are pretty difficult to remove!

Any and all assitance would be welcome, specially if you have big hammers and crowbars.....

Regards
Kit

----- Original Message -----

From: misterrtilt

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 11:49 AM

Subject: <APT Group> HSFV1 work this Saturday 25th June

 

I'm going to be at the Electric Railway Museum this Saturday 25th June armed with big hammers, screwdrivers and crowbars to try and rid HSFV1 of the wooden platform that currently covers most of its deck.

I started this work at the last ERM Open Day a few weeks ago, but I didn't have heavy enough tools, it seems they added the decking using the world's longest nails, and they are pretty difficult to remove!

Any and all assitance would be welcome, specially if you have big hammers and crowbars.....

Regards
Kit

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Starting with Upper Broughton:

http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/mysteryphotos/show.htm?img=66-19-02&serial=14

What an interesting set of photos!

It's very difficult trying to locate them with an APT era mind as the track is doubled the whole length in the photos and most of the station platforms, builidngs etc. are still there. In my day the place was almost totally devoid of them, apart from Widmerpool, our almost regular lunch stopping place.

Well spotted Alan, and thanks very much.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <alan.criddle@...> wrote:
>
> Starting with Upper Broughton:
>
> http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/mysteryphotos/show.htm?img=66-19-02&serial=14
>

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/16july2011/16july2011.htm

Photos and video included.

A big advance on the VIP lounge has taken place, ready for new carpet and the seats to be re-fitted.

Regards

Paul
APT-E /HSFV1 / Lab 4 Hastings Support Group

Excellent !! The VIP lounge is looking VERY good.

Well done guys & keep up the good work,
Andy

----- Original Message -----

> http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/16july2011/16july2011.htm
>
> Photos and video included.
>
> A big advance on the VIP lounge has taken place, ready for new carpet and
> the seats to be re-fitted.

As you may be aware, the Electric Railway Museum in Baginton near
Coventry Airport has been offered the APT power car (49006) from the
National Railway Museum at Shildon. Circumstances have dictated that the
vehicle will be arriving within the next week or so.
We do still have some p-way work to do at present and would welcome
anyone who can turn up tomorrow (Saturday) or Sunday to assist us in
finishing off the track it will sit on and levelling the ground in front
for the lorry to sit on.

If anyone is free then please get in touch or pop down and lend a hand.

Thanks

Nick Evans

Hi


Sure this is a silly question but...

Looking at a picture of 49006, I noted all the paint coming off, but does not seem to rusty.... so what type of metal is the bodywork?

TIA

Mark

Mark,

I remember it being steel plate welded to a steel frame - when we popped it
on the bogies it rippled, hence the nickname Neapolitan with the stripy
paint job.

When I saw it at Shildon there was a certain rusty grandeur to the beast,
like a war-weary battle-cruiser in a spaceship movie. That image was so
captivating I'll be sad once it's spruced up again.

David 1/2d
--------------------------------------------------
From: "gmnauk" <gmnauk@...>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:15 PM
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: <APT Group> Bodywork

> Hi
>
>
> Sure this is a silly question but...
>
> Looking at a picture of 49006, I noted all the paint coming off, but does
> not seem to rusty.... so what type of metal is the bodywork?
>
> TIA
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

Hi all,
I have been asked alot about the team re-union on the 13th August, so I have put together a quick webpage with more details.

http://www.apt-e.org/reunion2011/reunion2011.htm

Regards

Paul

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/hsfv1/workdays1&2.htm

I finally got around to posting Kits report on the first two workdays.

Regards

Paul

"ERM are delighted to announce the latest arrival at Coventry, APT-P
non-driving motor 49006, on loan from the National Railway Museum!

Full article here:

http://www.electricrailwaymuseum.co.uk/index.php/erm-news/123-a-busy-summer-for-arrivals-at-coventry"

thought would be of interest on the list

Mark

Well Done Guys,
Look forward to seeing it with a nice new paint job.

You will have a collection to tell the whole APT story, beginning, middle and end soon, very well done to all.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Support Group

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "gmnauk" <gmnauk@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> "ERM are delighted to announce the latest arrival at Coventry, APT-P
> non-driving motor 49006, on loan from the National Railway Museum!
>
> Full article here:
>
> http://www.electricrailwaymuseum.co.uk/index.php/erm-news/123-a-busy-summer-for-arrivals-at-coventry"
>
> thought would be of interest on the list
>
> Mark
>

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From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:44 PM
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT Move

> Well Done Guys,
> Look forward to seeing it with a nice new paint job.

Knew somebody would say that!

In all seriousness Paul, I feel that it's present condition tells a more
'true' story.

Besides, I find that it has a kind of weathered grandeur, like a
battle-weary starship in a sci-fi movie.

I'll be sad when it's painted.

David 1/2d

David,
Well, hows about and half and half then, true it does tell a story in its present condition, but it also isnt an attraction in its present state iether.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:44 PM
> To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT Move
>
> > Well Done Guys,
> > Look forward to seeing it with a nice new paint job.
>
> Knew somebody would say that!
>
> In all seriousness Paul, I feel that it's present condition tells a more
> 'true' story.
>
> Besides, I find that it has a kind of weathered grandeur, like a
> battle-weary starship in a sci-fi movie.
>
> I'll be sad when it's painted.
>
> David 1/2d
>

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From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:37 AM
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT Move

> David,
> Well, hows about and half and half then, true it does tell a story in its
> present condition, but it also isnt an attraction in its present state
> iether.
>

It's a fair point that deliberate neglect looks like negligence, so any
display should be thought through so that it either makes visual sense of
is clarified by words or context.

To go back to the early days of steam, I think everyone happily accepts
that iconic relics like Rocket and The Agenoria need to be left as bare
iron, while a semi-fictional pastiche like Lion needs to be painted and
polished.

Since the power car is unlikely to be going anywhere, I think a
double-sided display could actually work. Neat stripes and maybe steps up
to one corridor connection on one side, and a paling fence limiting access
to some typical rusty railway clutter on the 'how are the mighty fallen'
side.


On another aspect, somewhere I've got a photo looking through a power car
in hard tilt-failure mode (ie powered over to one side, not just swinging
free). I captioned it "Note the impossibility of walking down the train in
this condition." One would have had to crawl. Probably not a display
scenario :-)

David 1/2d

We intend to do a 'half-and-half' paint job on HSFV1, leaving one side exactly as it is and repainting the other as it was when new. There's only one problem with that, we don't know what colour it was when it WAS new!

In most photos it looks as if it was BR Blue, but nowadays there's almost no blue in the colour at all, and it's medium grey. Of course it could have faded that much in the last umpteen years being outside in the RTC yard, but hopefully after the 13th I'll be able to question one or two people to get the colour right.

When Lab 4 was originally moved to the Pump House Museum there was a body of opinion there who wanted it returned to it's original configuration as a Class 203 Buffet Car, totally ignoring the radical changes we'd made to the vehicle at the RTC, not to mention ignoring the contribution it made to the whole APT project.

When the truth dawned, that there was no way it could be restored to original condition without spending a large fortune, they still wanted it painted up in Southern green! I suggested that a 'half-and-half' scheme would be appropriate, one side Southern Green and the other RTC Red and Blue. You'd have thought I'd suggested painting it pink with red and blue dots on it! The reaction was total horror that I should have even suggested such a thing, never mind actually doing it.

What goes around comes around and when Lab 4 is moved to the ERM, very soon now, we're going to have a 'half-and-half' scheme by default. As one side of Lab 4 is in far better condition than the other the good side wil be painted up in the original RTC scheme while we're restoring the bad side. The public will at least be able to have some idea of what it looked like back in the 70s from one side, even if the rest of it looks a shambles for some time.

The whole crux of this idea is that it's impossible to see both sides of any vehicle at the same time, just sometimes a quarter view will give you an odd impression where the ends may not match the sides.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:37 AM
> To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT Move
>
> > David,
> > Well, hows about and half and half then, true it does tell a story in its
> > present condition, but it also isnt an attraction in its present state
> > iether.
> >
>
> It's a fair point that deliberate neglect looks like negligence, so any
> display should be thought through so that it either makes visual sense of
> is clarified by words or context.
>
> To go back to the early days of steam, I think everyone happily accepts
> that iconic relics like Rocket and The Agenoria need to be left as bare
> iron, while a semi-fictional pastiche like Lion needs to be painted and
> polished.
>
> Since the power car is unlikely to be going anywhere, I think a
> double-sided display could actually work. Neat stripes and maybe steps up
> to one corridor connection on one side, and a paling fence limiting access
> to some typical rusty railway clutter on the 'how are the mighty fallen'
> side.
>
>
> On another aspect, somewhere I've got a photo looking through a power car
> in hard tilt-failure mode (ie powered over to one side, not just swinging
> free). I captioned it "Note the impossibility of walking down the train in
> this condition." One would have had to crawl. Probably not a display
> scenario :-)
>
> David 1/2d
>

Has anyone got any very high res photos of the P train Power cars sides.

There is too much of the paintwork gone for me to start measuring out
where the lining should be and the logo. Or does anyone have a drawing
with measurements of there the lining should be??

Thanks

Nick Evans

Hello Nick

You need a copy of drawing AP-A0-0048 I have a poor print of it that I have scanned here -

http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint001.jpg
http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint002.jpg
http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint003.jpg
http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint004.jpg

Best wishes


Rob
www.APT-P.com

I have loaded up some of my pics taken at Shildon this year (April)

Sadly it was impossible to get a square-on shot of the side as it was right
up against the building. I got some great shots of the workings of the APT-E
suspension etc - I will sort them out and post them.

Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
www.hmrs.org.uk

Thanks Rob

Thats exactly what we need.

Nick

On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 16:58 +0000, aptp370 wrote:
>
>
> Hello Nick
>
> You need a copy of drawing AP-A0-0048 I have a poor print of it that I
> have scanned here -
>
> http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint001.jpg
> http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint002.jpg
> http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint003.jpg
> http://www.apt-p.com/PCPaint004.jpg
>
> Best wishes
>
> Rob
> www.APT-P.com
>
>
>
>
>