> After listening to Kit's lecture on the video that did the rounds a few
> months back, looking forward to seeing it live...

> The event went brilliantly

> I also noticed the rather forlorn power car hidden at the back of the
> shed.

> Of course it won't have the turbines, but I wonder if the tilting
> mechanism components are in there, and if any of the kit is swappable
> between P and E?

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ball, Gordon [Sec Div]" <gball@...> wrote:
>
> That was a really interesting visit - photos of the inside of the cars just don't do it justice to actually squeezing in there! Thank you Paul for all the hard work to get it ready to open to the public.
>
> Following David's earlier post (below) - I also noticed the rather forlorn power car hidden at the back of the shed. Did that arrive at the same time as the E-train? Was it once outside York NRM, or was it part of the trainset at Crewe?
>
> Of course it won't have the turbines, but I wonder if the tilting mechanism components are in there, and if any of the kit is swappable between P and E? Presumably it's in newer condition given the chronology... Idle lunchtime thoughts!
>
> Gordon
>
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Halfpenny (y)
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 12:03 PM
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> See you there this weekend!
>
> > After listening to Kit's lecture on the video that did the rounds a few
> > months back, looking forward to seeing it live...
>
> Thanks for that timely reminder Gordon, thanks to which I did hear it live
> at Shildon.
>
> Great to see Kit again after the best part of half a lifetime, and to meet
> Paul and hear the story of how he got sucked into all this. E-Train is
> looking vastly improved.
>
> Thanks to all involved.
>
> Meanwhile there's an unsung P-Train power car lurking hidden among the
> carriages all weathered and rusted. I rather hope it will stay that way
> rather than be tarted up.
>
> David 1/2d
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
> From: Ball, Gordon [Sec Div]
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:25 PM
>
> > I also noticed the rather forlorn power car hidden at the back of the
> > shed.
>
> > Of course it won't have the turbines, but I wonder if the tilting
> > mechanism components are in there, and if any of the kit is swappable
> > between P and E?
>
> Nothing is compatible between E-train and P-train. Even the mechanical
> arrangement of the tilt mechanism is totally different.
>
> So get your thieving lunchtime thoughts off it Gordon!
>
> I'd like it to stay as it is, perhaps with a sanitised corridor through it,
> rather like displaying a tank in battle condition rather than ex-works
> condition.
>
> David 1/2d
>

> Even if the ancient stuff did work, the chance of a servo-valve failure
> is quite high, even with today's filtration technology, and the slightest
> chance of such a failure would give the HSE an apoplectic fit!

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:35 PM
> > Even if the ancient stuff did work, the chance of a servo-valve failure
> > is quite high, even with today's filtration technology, and the slightest
> > chance of such a failure would give the HSE an apoplectic fit!
>
> I wasn't around when the E-train tilt system was designed, but I did the
> bogie mounted bits of P-Train tilt and shared an office with the tilt pack
> team - Julian Marshall, Neil Wilson, Brian (tip of my tongue) Alan Price
> and Hedley Mayes (who lives in my village once more after a spell in
> America and elsewhere).
>
> I was very struck at the time that as much work went into the depot-based
> filtration machine TM1 as into the tilt pack itself. That's not
> unreasonable since they were similar machines. But it underlines just how
> much a vehicle is part of an overall System.
>
> David 1/2d
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> Sorry guys, but the P train powercar is going to the Electric Railway Museum in Coventry, in the early new year, where we have HSFV1 stored.
>
> We were only told this on Friday, they are cosmetically going to restore it, so they will have the beginning and end of the APT story. I dont think that restoration is a bad thing, although it would be even more interesting if they only did up one side!!!
>
> Nice to meet everyone over the weekend, Im taking a nice and easy day off work today to recover, Kit however wasnt getting home until midnight last night, what a trooper!!!
>
> Hope everyone enjoyed there visits and that we did E train proud.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny \(y\)" <david.halfpenny@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Ball, Gordon [Sec Div]
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:25 PM
> >
> > > I also noticed the rather forlorn power car hidden at the back of the
> > > shed.
> >
> > > Of course it won't have the turbines, but I wonder if the tilting
> > > mechanism components are in there, and if any of the kit is swappable
> > > between P and E?
> >
> > Nothing is compatible between E-train and P-train. Even the mechanical
> > arrangement of the tilt mechanism is totally different.
> >
> > So get your thieving lunchtime thoughts off it Gordon!
> >
> > I'd like it to stay as it is, perhaps with a sanitised corridor through it,
> > rather like displaying a tank in battle condition rather than ex-works
> > condition.
> >
> > David 1/2d
> >
>

 

Hello everyone,

We would like to wish every member & their families a very Merry Christmas & Happy prosperous New Year. We would also like to take this opportunity to thank you all for supporting the group.

Long live the APT !!

Best Wishes,
Andy, Rob & Alan
(Group Admin Team)

> Hello Everyone and a very happy new year to you all.
>
> A few people have been asking for a while to see the presentation that I produced for the record cab-it record breakers in November.
>
> So here it is, please not its running off my own media server so it hay not always work, but if thats the case, just try it again later as my ADSL may have run out of bandwidth.
>
> http://videovault.dyndns.org:8080/index.htm
>
> Hope you enjoy.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Nick Wheat <wheaty@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 2 Jan 2011, at 17:15, Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone and a very happy new year to you all.
> >
> > A few people have been asking for a while to see the presentation that I produced for the record cab-it record breakers in November.
> >
> > So here it is, please not its running off my own media server so it hay not always work, but if thats the case, just try it again later as my ADSL may have run out of bandwidth.
> >
> > http://videovault.dyndns.org:8080/index.htm
> >
> > Hope you enjoy.
>
> Is there any chance of adding C-APT to the video vault please ?
>
> Regards
>
> Nick
>

On 18/01/2011 at 13:32 misterrtilt wrote:

>Over the last few weeks Paul and I have been in contact with the
>Walthamstow Pump House Museum, now called the Lea Valley Experience, and
>the new title says it all really. They are going to be concentrating on
>more local exhibits from now on, and Hastings Coach, among others, isn't
>part of their remit, and they want it removed.
>
>As luck would have it, I'm the only remaining shareholder with any
>interest in the vehicle, so effectively Hastings Coach is mine! GULP! Not
>being in a dictatorial frame of mind I talked it over with Paul, and while
>I'll retain actual ownership of the vehicle I'm proposing that the control
>and responsibilities of the coach be carried out by the APT-E Support
>Group as a whole.
>
>We've asked the Electric Railway Museum at Coventry if they would have
>space to take Hastings, as two of their own electric vehicles, a Class 307
>and a 308, are going to be moved from the Pump House to Coventry anyway,
>and they have agreed. What a nice bunch they are there. <g>
>
>I'm hoping we can put Hastings back into its RTC configuration, with the
>VIP compartment returned to red and dark grey, and hopefully with Gerry
>Bates' instrument rack back in its correct place. Time will tell of course.
>
>I'm off to the Pump House sometime next week to see what the state of play
>is and I'll report back later.
>
>When we do move Hastings out of the Pump House and into Coventry I'd be
>glad of some help at both ends of the route if anyone could show up with
>overalls and boots please.
>
>Regards
>Kit
>
>
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--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Paul Rowlinson <paul.rowlinson@...> wrote:
>
> Kit
>
>
>
> What fantastic news!
>
>
>
> Does this mean there might be a chance of getting the thing running at
> some point in the future? Of all the APT vehicles this is probably the
> one most capable as things stand. I could just see this sandwiched
> between two suitably repainted Mk1 coaches hauled being a peak one
> diesel day on a preserved line. Maybe not 100% authentic but very
> nostalgic. Sorry daydream over!
>
>
>
> Paul R
>
>
>
> Paul Rowlinson
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> misterrtilt
> Sent: 18 January 2011 13:33
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> Hastings Coach moving
>
>
>
>
>
> Over the last few weeks Paul and I have been in contact with the
> Walthamstow Pump House Museum, now called the Lea Valley Experience, and
> the new title says it all really. They are going to be concentrating on
> more local exhibits from now on, and Hastings Coach, among others, isn't
> part of their remit, and they want it removed.
>
> As luck would have it, I'm the only remaining shareholder with any
> interest in the vehicle, so effectively Hastings Coach is mine! GULP!
> Not being in a dictatorial frame of mind I talked it over with Paul, and
> while I'll retain actual ownership of the vehicle I'm proposing that the
> control and responsibilities of the coach be carried out by the APT-E
> Support Group as a whole.
>
> We've asked the Electric Railway Museum at Coventry if they would have
> space to take Hastings, as two of their own electric vehicles, a Class
> 307 and a 308, are going to be moved from the Pump House to Coventry
> anyway, and they have agreed. What a nice bunch they are there. <g>
>
> I'm hoping we can put Hastings back into its RTC configuration, with the
> VIP compartment returned to red and dark grey, and hopefully with Gerry
> Bates' instrument rack back in its correct place. Time will tell of
> course.
>
> I'm off to the Pump House sometime next week to see what the state of
> play is and I'll report back later.
>
> When we do move Hastings out of the Pump House and into Coventry I'd be
> glad of some help at both ends of the route if anyone could show up with
> overalls and boots please.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Silver_Dream_Racer

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: <APT Group> Hastings Coach moving

 

Paul,

You never know, dreams can come true.................................

Id be well up for that, and some other people I know would pay good money to travel in Hastings.

At this rate, the APT-E group are going to have to get a rail operators licence,

Now Tim, where is that boxed steel and the plans for pop train, LOL!!!

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Paul Rowlinson <paul.rowlinson@...> wrote:
>
> Kit
>
>
>
> What fantastic news!
>
>
>
> Does this mean there might be a chance of getting the thing running at
> some point in the future? Of all the APT vehicles this is probably the
> one most capable as things stand. I could just see this sandwiched
> between two suitably repainted Mk1 coaches hauled being a peak one
> diesel day on a preserved line. Maybe not 100% authentic but very
> nostalgic. Sorry daydream over!
>
>
>
> Paul R
>
>
>
> Paul Rowlinson
>
> Head of Operations, London
>
> Sanctuary Management Services
>
> Dinwiddy House, 189-205 Pentonville Road,
>
> London, N1 9NF
>
>
>
> Tel: 0207 812 0022
>
> Mob: 07787 834807
>
>
>
> Sanctuary Management Services is part of Sanctuary Group
>
>
>
> paul.rowlinson@...
> <mailto:paul.rowlinson@...>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> misterrtilt
> Sent: 18 January 2011 13:33
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> Hastings Coach moving
>
>
>
>
>
> Over the last few weeks Paul and I have been in contact with the
> Walthamstow Pump House Museum, now called the Lea Valley Experience, and
> the new title says it all really. They are going to be concentrating on
> more local exhibits from now on, and Hastings Coach, among others, isn't
> part of their remit, and they want it removed.
>
> As luck would have it, I'm the only remaining shareholder with any
> interest in the vehicle, so effectively Hastings Coach is mine! GULP!
> Not being in a dictatorial frame of mind I talked it over with Paul, and
> while I'll retain actual ownership of the vehicle I'm proposing that the
> control and responsibilities of the coach be carried out by the APT-E
> Support Group as a whole.
>
> We've asked the Electric Railway Museum at Coventry if they would have
> space to take Hastings, as two of their own electric vehicles, a Class
> 307 and a 308, are going to be moved from the Pump House to Coventry
> anyway, and they have agreed. What a nice bunch they are there. <g>
>
> I'm hoping we can put Hastings back into its RTC configuration, with the
> VIP compartment returned to red and dark grey, and hopefully with Gerry
> Bates' instrument rack back in its correct place. Time will tell of
> course.
>
> I'm off to the Pump House sometime next week to see what the state of
> play is and I'll report back later.
>
> When we do move Hastings out of the Pump House and into Coventry I'd be
> glad of some help at both ends of the route if anyone could show up with
> overalls and boots please.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Paul Rowlinson <paul.rowlinson@...> wrote:
>
> Kit

> What fantastic news!
>
> Does this mean there might be a chance of getting the thing running at
> some point in the future? Of all the APT vehicles this is probably the
> one most capable as things stand. I could just see this sandwiched
> between two suitably repainted Mk1 coaches hauled being a peak one
> diesel day on a preserved line. Maybe not 100% authentic but very
> nostalgic. Sorry daydream over!
>
> Paul R

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> Paul R,
>
> I think you're correct in saying that of all the APT vehicles we have knowledge of that Hastings would be the most likely to run again, but she will need a LOT of work I suspect before we could think of doing that.
>
> I rather like your idea of some red/blue Mk1s topping and tailing Hastings with a 46 on the front. Perhaps we should start talking to people? <g>
>
> Gerry,
>
> Ah, right, thanks. I rather assumed the rack was your work as it looks just the same as the E-Train racks. I guess you trained your successors very well!
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Paul Rowlinson <paul.rowlinson@> wrote:
> >
> > Kit
>
> > What fantastic news!
> >
> > Does this mean there might be a chance of getting the thing running at
> > some point in the future? Of all the APT vehicles this is probably the
> > one most capable as things stand. I could just see this sandwiched
> > between two suitably repainted Mk1 coaches hauled being a peak one
> > diesel day on a preserved line. Maybe not 100% authentic but very
> > nostalgic. Sorry daydream over!
> >
> > Paul R
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, brookweed5@... wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> Great - I'll try to get there. Do we know who was on the final run -
> besides me of course! At one time I had a recording of the gas turbines being
> run down for the last time - I'll try and find it.
>
> Martin Collins
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, brookweed5@... wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> Great - I'll try to get there. Do we know who was on the final run -
> besides me of course! At one time I had a recording of the gas turbines being
> run down for the last time - I'll try and find it.
>
> Martin Collins
>

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, eth1607688@... wrote:
>
> Is this instead of the June 11th one?
>
>
> In a message dated 26/01/2011 15:38:41 GMT Standard Time, PAUL@...
> writes:
>
>
>
>
> Martin,
> Oh - My - God, you have got to try and find that recording!
>
> Good hunting.
>
> Paul
>
> --- In _Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com) , brookweed5@ wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Great - I'll try to get there. Do we know who was on the final run -
> > besides me of course! At one time I had a recording of the gas turbines
> being
> > run down for the last time - I'll try and find it.
> >
> > Martin Collins
> >
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "PETER WITTS" <chakano6@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: [MRSOC] APT

>I had a call today from Chris Doidge at BBC Radio Derby. I have previously supplied
>him with info on a programme he did on the Derby Roundhouse. This time his programme
>is on the APT project and has asked for contacts with anyone who was involved in
>this at Derby in any way. If anyone is able to help (or knows someone who was
>involved) perhaps you could get in touch with Chris:
> 01332 375001
> Chris.Doidge@...
> The programme is going out on Monday.
> Regards
> Peter Witts

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Sprenger" <hsprenger@...> wrote:
>
> Forwarding from the Midland Railway Society list. Please contact Chris Doidge
> directly.
>
> Howard.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PETER WITTS" <chakano6@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 5:55 PM
> Subject: [MRSOC] APT
>
> >I had a call today from Chris Doidge at BBC Radio Derby. I have previously supplied
> >him with info on a programme he did on the Derby Roundhouse. This time his programme
> >is on the APT project and has asked for contacts with anyone who was involved in
> >this at Derby in any way. If anyone is able to help (or knows someone who was
> >involved) perhaps you could get in touch with Chris:
> > 01332 375001
> > Chris.Doidge@...
> > The programme is going out on Monday.
> > Regards
> > Peter Witts
>

> I did say I wouldn't be part of any 'knocking copy' type programme and he assured me it wasn't.

Hi Chris

 

I was only on the periphery of APT really so I'm probably not the right person to talk to. Besides, I'm really cross with Radio Derby for axing Mick Peat and Lestor Simpson's folk music programme, Folkwaves.

 

I would recommend contacting Kit Spackman who was very intimately involved with the project. His email address is bosspecops@...

 

Regards

 

Gerry Bates

 

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 15/02/2011 at 15:09 Chris Doidge wrote:

Hello,

As part of BBC Radio Derby's 40th anniversary, I'm looking to do a piece on the APT and came across your website. Would you be able to talk to us about working on the trains? I'm out of the office tomorrow, so if you could e-mail me back I'd be very grateful. Ultimately I'm looking to record something on Monday next week.

Many thanks,

Chris

Chris Doidge
Political Reporter

BBC Radio Derby
Sony Station of the Year, 2010

w. 01332 375001
m. 07872 413099
 
Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/bbcchrisd .

*********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

> Besides, I'm really cross with Radio Derby for axing Mick Peat and Lestor Simpson's
> folk music programme, Folkwaves.

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlen Andra S Bone

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:13 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E modelling

 

Hi I am a big fan of the APT-E and a number of years ago attended a couple of the conservation and support work days at the NRM. I am interested in making a model of the train and would like to know where I can get hold of some accurate (and preferably large scale) design drawings for the train. I would like to make models of both the TCs and the power car in order to create moulds so that more cast resin vehicles can be made. I am also interested in creating a bogie design that can utilise a system of ramps to tilt the vehicles when they go into a curve -just like hornby did on their P-train model. I can see that building a model of E train would be somewhat fraut with practical issues if one were to attempt to model each and every rivet in a small scale such as N gauge. I'm doubtful whether it would be possible to reproduce the same level of rivet detail that is visible on Dapol's excellent class 153! A lot of real life rail vehicles do indeed have a lot of rivet detail and I am interested in finding out more about the level of rivet detail possible in n-scale etched brass kits -just to see what level of detail could be remoulded. -I have been thinking about buying myself an MSL hobbies EM2 kit, partially 'cos I also like Woodhead locos -but also to see how the many of the rivets of those prototypes are reproduced on their etched brass kit, if at all, -and to see how satisfactory the overall effect is in N gauge, with or without full rivet detail. Similarly I'm interested in seeing the level of detailing possible Re: grilles etc. that is possible in N gauge. -So I can ascertain the best mode of construction / materials etc for my initial model. (probably either plasticard / brass -with embedded grilles constructed from strip styrene.) I'm aware that there's a company that does N scale transfers for E-train (and also for p-train -and also for a whole myriad of RTC test vehicles) -so at least that aspect of the modelling shouldn't prove too hard. constructing / carving a half decent nose for the initial model / mould might be tricky! And then there's the issue of bogies. I think I'd need a lot of drawings to construct these -and possibly a number of proprietary parts to detail them. given the fact I'd be creating an articulated train, motorising the train might prove difficult. I think it would be feasible to motorise the leading bogies somehow - modifying an existing 4 wheel chassis to incorporate a ramp based tilt system. The fact one would need to construct artic bogies that are joined onto the shared doors  -and also somehow engage the 'ramps' that tilt the train would be very difficult indeed - nevertheless I think that it would still be possible. I'm aware of how E-Train has mirrored windows. Was this done with a painted or spraypainted on solution -or was it done with mirror film? I have managed to find a number of manufacturers of mirrored plastic sheet that could be used for this purpose -and one that even makes 2 way mirror plastic sheet! -However I am actually interested in creating a rudimentary interior for my model -including the various partitions etc -and possibly even the VIP lounge! If E-train ever ran without the mirrors I'd love to know -becuase I wouldn't mind making the interiors visible. Was the VIP lounge incorporated in the train before or after the windows were mirrored -or were the seats put in at the same time?       If anybody can help me to get hold of some photocopies / scans of some accurate plans I'd therefore be very very grateful. thanks Arlen Bone

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Warr" <adam.warr@...> wrote:
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> I have to admit that APT-E is something I'd like to see modelled in N, though the thought of trying to portray the articulation makes my eyes water!
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> If anyone is having a go, I'd be happy to assist with bodyside vinyls that would take a lot of pain out of painting and rivetting. Iit would make an excellent kit, if cast in resin...
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> Adam Warr
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> Electra Railway Graphics
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> Peterborough
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> United Kingdom
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> <http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk> http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
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--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Arlen Andra S Bone <arlenbone@...> wrote:
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> Hi
> I am a big fan of the APT-E and a number of years ago attended a couple of the conservation and support work days at the NRM. I am interested in making a model of the train and would like to know where I can get hold of some accurate (and preferably large scale) design drawings for the train. I would like to make models of both the TCs and the power car in order to create moulds so that more cast resin vehicles can be made. I am also interested in creating a bogie design that can utilise a system of ramps to tilt the vehicles when they go into a curve -just like hornby did on their P-train model.
>
> I can see that building a model of E train would be somewhat fraut with practical issues if one were to attempt to model each and every rivet in a small scale such
> as N gauge. I'm doubtful whether it would be possible to reproduce the same level of rivet detail that is visible on Dapol's excellent class 153! A lot of real life rail vehicles do indeed have a lot of rivet detail and I am interested in finding out more about the level of rivet detail possible in n-scale etched brass kits -just to see what level of detail could be remoulded. -I have been thinking about buying myself an MSL hobbies EM2 kit, partially 'cos I also like Woodhead locos -but also to see how the many of the rivets of those prototypes are reproduced on their etched brass kit, if at all, -and to see how satisfactory the overall effect is in N gauge, with or without full rivet detail. Similarly I'm interested in seeing the level of detailing possible Re: grilles etc. that is possible in N gauge. -So I can ascertain the best mode of construction / materials etc for my initial model. (probably either plasticard / brass -with embedded grilles
> constructed from strip styrene.)
>
> I'm aware that there's a company that does N scale transfers for E-train (and also for p-train -and also for a whole myriad of RTC test vehicles) -so at least that aspect of the modelling shouldn't prove too hard.
>
> constructing / carving a half decent nose for the initial model / mould might be tricky!
>
> And then there's the issue of bogies. I think I'd need a lot of drawings to construct these -and possibly a number of proprietary parts to detail them.
>
> given the fact I'd be creating an articulated train, motorising the train might prove difficult. I think it would be feasible to motorise the leading bogies somehow - modifying an existing 4 wheel chassis to incorporate a ramp based tilt system. The fact one would need to construct artic bogies that are joined onto the shared doors  -and also somehow engage the 'ramps' that tilt the train would be very difficult indeed - nevertheless I
> think that it would still be possible.
>
> I'm aware of how E-Train has mirrored windows. Was this done with a painted or spraypainted on solution -or was it done with mirror film? I have managed to find a number of manufacturers of mirrored plastic sheet that could be used for this purpose -and one that even makes 2 way mirror plastic sheet! -However I am actually interested in creating a rudimentary interior for my model -including the various partitions etc -and possibly even the VIP lounge! If E-train ever ran without the mirrors I'd love to know -becuase I wouldn't mind making the interiors visible. Was the VIP lounge incorporated in the train before or after the windows were mirrored -or were the seats put in at the same time?      
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> If anybody can help me to get hold of some photocopies / scans of some accurate plans I'd therefore be very very grateful.
>
> thanks Arlen Bone
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