Well done David, if the P-Train site went down at least we have an archive copy of Dr. Alan's paper here.

I just LOVE this bit..... <g>

>Incidentally, this vehicle still exists at Derby but after a long >life of research work, including some crucial experiments, this >significant vehicle should perhaps be in the NRM.

It's not at Derby any more of course, but I agree 100% with Dr. Alan's sentiments about HSFV1 being at the NRM!

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "David Halfpenny gmail" <davidhalfpenny@...> wrote:
>
> From: Gerry Bates
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 9:05 AM
>
> > There are a lot of misconceptions about APT so, whatever your research
> > turns up, it will be worth running your script past those of us,
> > particularly Kit, who have had direct experience of working and riding on
> > APTs.
>
>
> Tanya Jane,
>
> There's a very useful paper by Alan Wickens at:
> http://www.apt-p.com/APTWithHindsight.htm
>
> I imagine you've seen it, but maybe we have readers who haven't.
>
> David 1/2d

My intention at the moment is to include a chapter on the technological
advances achieved during the British Rail era. This will include such
matters as integral carriages, Pandrol clips - and the APT.
My view is that BR was a success in spite of its own flaws, and that is a
primary theme of the book. The many technical advances gained by the APT
project will be laid out, but with the question mark as to whether it was
the business of the organisation charged with the day-to-day running of the
railway network to undertake such research. Who else, though? The situation
then will be contrasted with that today, where the TOCs and other companies
involved in the railway system are limited by contracts to specific
responsibilities carried out over a short term, and no one any more can
undertake such long term projects. In other words, the conclusion will be
that we have lost out.

Miss Tanya Jane Jackson

HMRS Transfer Development Manager and British Rail carriage steward
www.hmrs.org.uk
transfersdev@...

List owner: LMSReg
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lmsreg

List owner: Trackwork
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----- Original Message -----

I now have the Williams book - cost me a bomb but it seems to be rare. It
gives a good lowdown on the APT and I do feel I should do the background
reading before pestering anyone for info.
Does anyone know of any howlers I should be aware of in the book?
Best wishes,

Miss Tanya Jane Jackson

Hi,
Hugh was the train supervisor and not a nuts and bolts man, but the book is very accurate, due to the input from several other team members, including Kit.

As far as I am aware, having read it 100s of times, thet is nothing to watch out for. Just be aware that the book was published before the end of the APT project in 1986.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "tanyajane" <tanyajane@...> wrote:
>
> I now have the Williams book - cost me a bomb but it seems to be rare. It
> gives a good lowdown on the APT and I do feel I should do the background
> reading before pestering anyone for info.
> Does anyone know of any howlers I should be aware of in the book?
> Best wishes,
>
> Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
>

Hello,

I wrote my University dissertation on the 'failure' of the APT-P. My research went slightly beyond the Williams book. I'd be very happy to send you a copy, if you'd like to read it.

Regards,

Ben Goodwin

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Hugh was the train supervisor and not a nuts and bolts man, but the book is very accurate, due to the input from several other team members, including Kit.
>
> As far as I am aware, having read it 100s of times, thet is nothing to watch out for. Just be aware that the book was published before the end of the APT project in 1986.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "tanyajane" <tanyajane@> wrote:
> >
> > I now have the Williams book - cost me a bomb but it seems to be rare. It
> > gives a good lowdown on the APT and I do feel I should do the background
> > reading before pestering anyone for info.
> > Does anyone know of any howlers I should be aware of in the book?
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
> >
>

>>I wrote my University dissertation on the 'failure' of the APT-P. My
>>research went slightly beyond the Williams book. I'd be very happy to send
>>you a copy, if >>you'd like to read it.

Very much Ben - I would be very grateful.

Miss Tanya Jane Jackson

HMRS Transfer Development Manager and British Rail carriage steward
www.hmrs.org.uk
transfersdev@...

List owner: LMSReg
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lmsreg

List owner: Trackwork
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/trackwork/

----- Original Message -----

Ben

I'm sure we would *all* like to read it.

Is there any way you could make it available to Paul to include on his website?

Regards

Gerry

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On 22/08/2010 at 12:18 benjorama@... wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I wrote my University dissertation on the 'failure' of the APT-P. My
>research went slightly beyond the Williams book. I'd be very happy to send
>you a copy, if you'd like to read it.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ben Goodwin
>
>--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer"
><PAUL@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Hugh was the train supervisor and not a nuts and bolts man, but the book
>is very accurate, due to the input from several other team members,
>including Kit.
>>
>> As far as I am aware, having read it 100s of times, thet is nothing to
>watch out for.  Just be aware that the book was published before the end
>of the APT project in 1986.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "tanyajane"
><tanyajane@> wrote:
>> >
>> > I now have the Williams book - cost me a bomb but it seems to be rare.
>It
>> > gives a good lowdown on the APT and I do feel I should do the
>background
>> > reading before pestering anyone for info.
>> > Does anyone know of any howlers I should be aware of in the book?
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
>> >
>>
>
>
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Hello Ben

if you want to share the document with the rest of the world I would be willing to host it on the www.apt-p.com website.

Please let me know.....


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Hello Hugh,
And welcome aboard the group.

It is very good to hear from you at long last.

Im sure your input into the group will be of great value.

Very best regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, Locomotion, Shildon

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, LEONARD WILLIAMS <lhughwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I've been a member of this Group for some time but I didn't appreciate at first that absolutely no one would know about it until I introduced myself. Soon after that realisation I became ill and six months were lost to the illness followed by a further six months of apathy while I came to terms with my situation. 
>  
> I am happy to say that I'm now almost back to my old self and reading the various e-mails about "the Williams Book" has prompted me to raise my head above the parapet. I apologise for the fact that the majority of people in the Group are new to me but that is entirely my fault for not keeping up with events since my engineering career took a diversion into the automotive industry followed by my retirement five years ago. I guess Mr Tilt himself is the the only contact I've had since leaving the Research Department but I hope I can now put that right through contact with this Group.
>  
> Kindest regards to everyone, Hugh Williams
>  
> --- On Mon, 23/8/10, tanyajane <tanyajane@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: tanyajane <tanyajane@...>
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> Books WAS Tilt Failures
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 23 August, 2010, 13:07
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> >>I wrote my University dissertation on the 'failure' of the APT-P. My
> >>research went slightly beyond the Williams book. I'd be very happy to send
> >>you a copy, if >>you'd like to read it.
>
> Very much Ben - I would be very grateful.
>
> Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
>
> HMRS Transfer Development Manager and British Rail carriage steward
> www.hmrs.org.uk
> transfersdev@...
>
> List owner: LMSReg
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lmsreg
>
> List owner: Trackwork
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/trackwork/
> ----- Original Message -----
>

Nearly forgot...........

Hugh, your seat in TC2 is still waiting for you, LOL!!!!

Do you fancy a re-visit to the train at some point, Id like to get as many of the E train team up there at the same time, maybe during the groups re-launch if possible.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Hugh,
> And welcome aboard the group.
>
> It is very good to hear from you at long last.
>
> Im sure your input into the group will be of great value.
>
> Very best regards
>
> Paul
> APT-E Conservation & Support Group, Locomotion, Shildon
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, LEONARD WILLIAMS <lhughwilliams@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >  
> > I've been a member of this Group for some time but I didn't appreciate at first that absolutely no one would know about it until I introduced myself. Soon after that realisation I became ill and six months were lost to the illness followed by a further six months of apathy while I came to terms with my situation. 
> >  
> > I am happy to say that I'm now almost back to my old self and reading the various e-mails about "the Williams Book" has prompted me to raise my head above the parapet. I apologise for the fact that the majority of people in the Group are new to me but that is entirely my fault for not keeping up with events since my engineering career took a diversion into the automotive industry followed by my retirement five years ago. I guess Mr Tilt himself is the the only contact I've had since leaving the Research Department but I hope I can now put that right through contact with this Group.
> >  
> > Kindest regards to everyone, Hugh Williams
> >  
> > --- On Mon, 23/8/10, tanyajane <tanyajane@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tanyajane <tanyajane@>
> > Subject: Re: <APT Group> Books WAS Tilt Failures
> > To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, 23 August, 2010, 13:07
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > >>I wrote my University dissertation on the 'failure' of the APT-P. My
> > >>research went slightly beyond the Williams book. I'd be very happy to send
> > >>you a copy, if >>you'd like to read it.
> >
> > Very much Ben - I would be very grateful.
> >
> > Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
> >
> > HMRS Transfer Development Manager and British Rail carriage steward
> > www.hmrs.org.uk
> > transfersdev@
> >
> > List owner: LMSReg
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lmsreg
> >
> > List owner: Trackwork
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/trackwork/
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
>

Nearly forgot...........

Hugh, your seat in TC2 is still waiting for you, LOL!!!!

Do you fancy a re-visit to the train at some point, Id like to get as many of the E train team up there at the same time, maybe during the groups re-launch if possible.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Hugh,
> And welcome aboard the group.
>
> It is very good to hear from you at long last.
>
> Im sure your input into the group will be of great value.
>
> Very best regards
>
> Paul
> APT-E Conservation & Support Group, Locomotion, Shildon
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, LEONARD WILLIAMS <lhughwilliams@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >  
> > I've been a member of this Group for some time but I didn't appreciate at first that absolutely no one would know about it until I introduced myself. Soon after that realisation I became ill and six months were lost to the illness followed by a further six months of apathy while I came to terms with my situation. 
> >  
> > I am happy to say that I'm now almost back to my old self and reading the various e-mails about "the Williams Book" has prompted me to raise my head above the parapet. I apologise for the fact that the majority of people in the Group are new to me but that is entirely my fault for not keeping up with events since my engineering career took a diversion into the automotive industry followed by my retirement five years ago. I guess Mr Tilt himself is the the only contact I've had since leaving the Research Department but I hope I can now put that right through contact with this Group.
> >  
> > Kindest regards to everyone, Hugh Williams
> >  
> > --- On Mon, 23/8/10, tanyajane <tanyajane@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tanyajane <tanyajane@>
> > Subject: Re: <APT Group> Books WAS Tilt Failures
> > To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, 23 August, 2010, 13:07
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > >>I wrote my University dissertation on the 'failure' of the APT-P. My
> > >>research went slightly beyond the Williams book. I'd be very happy to send
> > >>you a copy, if >>you'd like to read it.
> >
> > Very much Ben - I would be very grateful.
> >
> > Miss Tanya Jane Jackson
> >
> > HMRS Transfer Development Manager and British Rail carriage steward
> > www.hmrs.org.uk
> > transfersdev@
> >
> > List owner: LMSReg
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lmsreg
> >
> > List owner: Trackwork
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/trackwork/
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
>

Dear Hugh Williams,

I would also like to read your book on APT.
Railway's technology is one of the topics I most care in my research and
you can imagine my interest on all that concerns the history of APT
technical developments and all the other issues of that most important
project carried out in the UK.

Best regards from Portugal,
Jose' Maria

Hi Paul,

Just saw your last comment - Is there a plan for a relaunch of the APT preservation group, or is this a relaunch of the APT yahoogroup?

I there's an interest in trying to do an event, then it would be good to put out some dates in advance - there's probably others (who can claim no part of the original involvement) but who'd see if they could make it.

(this is coming from someone who wanted to come and see Kit's talk, but had to make do with watching it on video... still interesting - but the exploded diagram on the OHP was a bit fuzzy :))

Gordon

Hi Gordon,
Its a re-launch of the E train support group we are planning, and have been for some time.

Myself and Kit have another meeting in September at the NRM, which this issue is being talked about. At the present time, it looks like it might take place during Locomotions cab-it weekend in November, I will have to check the dates and get back to you all.

Like Ive said to Hugh, if we can arrange to get E train staff up there at the same time, it would be brilliant.

Im gonna start firing off a few emails to the old team, to see if anyone would be able to attend. Pam up at Shildon has already offered media coverage once we have set a date.

I will keep everyone posted.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Consetvation & Support Group

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ball, Gordon [Sec Div]" <gball@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Just saw your last comment - Is there a plan for a relaunch of the APT preservation group, or is this a relaunch of the APT yahoogroup?
>
> I there's an interest in trying to do an event, then it would be good to put out some dates in advance - there's probably others (who can claim no part of the original involvement) but who'd see if they could make it.
>
> (this is coming from someone who wanted to come and see Kit's talk, but had to make do with watching it on video... still interesting - but the exploded diagram on the OHP was a bit fuzzy :))
>
> Gordon
>

Certainly! I've been meaning to do it for sometime. I wrote it back in 2006 and many of you answered my questions regarding the APT and the situation surrounding its development. Only problem is that the file is quite big. So, once I find out how to shrink it down, I'll send it to the forum to get posted.

Cheers,

Ben

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "aptp370" <rob@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Ben
>
> if you want to share the document with the rest of the world I would be willing to host it on the www.apt-p.com website.
>
> Please let me know.....
>
>
> Rob
> www.apt-p.com
>

Hugh!

Fantastic! Great to hear from you again, nice to hear you retired as well. As Paul said it would be great to have you come and see the train again, even if it is a distance away I expect.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, LEONARD WILLIAMS <lhughwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I've been a member of this Group for some time but I didn't appreciate at first that absolutely no one would know about it until I introduced myself. Soon after that realisation I became ill and six months were lost to the illness followed by a further six months of apathy while I came to terms with my situation. 
>  
> I am happy to say that I'm now almost back to my old self and reading the various e-mails about "the Williams Book" has prompted me to raise my head above the parapet. I apologise for the fact that the majority of people in the Group are new to me but that is entirely my fault for not keeping up with events since my engineering career took a diversion into the automotive industry followed by my retirement five years ago. I guess Mr Tilt himself is the the only contact I've had since leaving the Research Department but I hope I can now put that right through contact with this Group.
>  
> Kindest regards to everyone, Hugh Williams

Hi Ben

if it is a MS word, works or publisher document if you send it to me on a CD I can convert it to a PDF file for you - I'll send my address in an email to you - Also I think there is a file size limit on Yahoo so the doc is best hosted on either www.apt-p.com or apt-e.org

Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "benjorama@..." <benjorama_Style@...> wrote:
>
> Certainly! I've been meaning to do it for sometime. I wrote it back in 2006 and many of you answered my questions regarding the APT and the situation surrounding its development. Only problem is that the file is quite big. So, once I find out how to shrink it down, I'll send it to the forum to get posted.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "aptp370" <rob@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Ben
> >
> > if you want to share the document with the rest of the world I would be willing to host it on the www.apt-p.com website.
> >
> > Please let me know.....
> >
> >
> > Rob
> > www.apt-p.com
> >
>

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From: "benjorama@..." <benjorama_Style@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:53 PM
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: <APT Group> Books WAS Tilt Failures

> Certainly! I've been meaning to do it for sometime. I wrote it back in
> 2006 and many of you answered my questions regarding the APT and the
> situation surrounding its development. Only problem is that the file is
> quite big. So, once I find out how to shrink it down, I'll send it to the
> forum to get posted.

One way to shrink a big file is to print it out as a PDF (using free
software such as BullzipPDF if you don't already have some). The size will
depend on the pictures you've included, but it's generally a lot smaller
than a word processing document.

David 1/2d
also keen to see it please

Attachments :

pic22798.jpg

Gents

You can compress the pictures in any microsoft Word documents, by opening
the picture tool bar and use the compress function.......this seriously
reduces document file sizes.

Please find example print screen below............(I wish alot more people
know how to use this function).

Hope this helps

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Regards

Phil Hibbard (Bart).

BJ Process & Pipeline Services

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> Certainly! I've been meaning to do it for sometime. I wrote it back in
> 2006 and many of you answered my questions regarding the APT and the
> situation surrounding its development. Only problem is that the file is
> quite big. So, once I find out how to shrink it down, I'll send it to the

> forum to get posted.

One way to shrink a big file is to print it out as a PDF (using free
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take a look at this video

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http://www.apt-p.com/APT.wmv



Rob
www.apt-p.com

OH MY GOD!!!!!

Im just off to the toilet to be sick.............

LOL!!!

Just crazy, sometimes the us British can be so stupid.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "aptp370" <rob@...> wrote:
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> Hi All
>
> take a look at this video
>
> (** WARNING CONTAINS SCENES THAT SOME VIEWERS MIGHT FIND DISTURBING **)
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I see the HSE standards were high back then......

What a waste.... even if they were scrap... they could have done something
worth while with it.


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BJ Process & Pipeline Services

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Fax +65-68778801
HP +65-97875800



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"MIGHT"? That's an understatement !!!!!

What a waste of a great train, Thatcher's Britain has a lot to answer for :-(

> I see the HSE standards were high back then......

They look like a wild bunch of vandals (or gypsies) never mind so-called scrap merchants !!

If Mr Spackman is affectionately known as Mr Tilt, how should we affectionately refer to Mr Williams?

Well, as his book is known by most of us as the APT bible is God a good place to start?

Andi

--- On Fri, 3/9/10, Alan <alan.criddle@...> wrote:

> From: Alan <alan.criddle@...>
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> Books WAS Tilt Failures
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 3 September, 2010, 22:27
>
>
> If Mr Spackman is affectionately known as Mr Tilt, how
> should we affectionately refer to Mr Williams?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
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>     Advanced-Passenger-Train-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
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Hehehe, I'm sure he'd be flattered!

Whenever Hugh was on board E-Train he was 'Officer in charge of the Train' as I recall. All communications to the 'Real Railway' Staff on board, the Field Trials Staff and the Inspectors, went via Hugh. Someone had to have a handle on the overall picture and the rest of us were usually deeply buried in our own particular specialisations of course, so Hugh was THE man.

Perhaps 'God' wouldn't be too far off the mark. <g>

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Andi Dell <andi@...> wrote:
>
> Well, as his book is known by most of us as the APT bible is God a good place to start?
>
> Andi
>
> --- On Fri, 3/9/10, Alan <alan.criddle@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Alan <alan.criddle@...>
> > Subject: Re: <APT Group> Books WAS Tilt Failures
> > To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, 3 September, 2010, 22:27
> >
> >
> > If Mr Spackman is affectionately known as Mr Tilt, how
> > should we affectionately refer to Mr Williams?
> >
> >
> >
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Hi All

I have now uploaded Ben's dissertation to my website -

'Queasy Rider:' The failure of the Advanced Passenger Train (Feb 2006)

http://www.apt-p.com/BenGoodwinDissertation.pdf

Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Forgot to mention that the document is Copyright Ben Goodwin 2006 and please credit him if it should be quoted elsewhere.

Rob
www.apt-p.com

> > If Mr Spackman is affectionately known as Mr Tilt, how
> > should we affectionately refer to Mr Williams?

Lord Lean?

Miss Tanya Jane Jackson

HMRS Transfer Development Manager and British Rail carriage steward
www.hmrs.org.uk
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Hello Paul

Ben has given me permission to allow printing of the document for members of this Yahoo Forum only so a printable version can be found here -

http://www.apt-p.com/BenGoodwinDissertationP.pdf

Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

> I see it is protected so it can't be printed. I would have liked to have
> read it on the train - is there a problem with this?

Thanks to my ever efficient organiser thingie it seems that today is Paul Leadley's (Mr. E-Train Support Group) birthday!

So Happy Birthday Paul, I hope your cake doesn't tilt too much....

Regards
Kit

LOL, thanks Kit, I didnt manage to catch my cake as it flew past at 155 mph.................

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "misterrtilt" <bosspecops@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to my ever efficient organiser thingie it seems that today is Paul Leadley's (Mr. E-Train Support Group) birthday!
>
> So Happy Birthday Paul, I hope your cake doesn't tilt too much....
>
> Regards
> Kit
>

Thanks for the information Paul.

What time will Kit be giving his presentation? I don't want to miss it but it will be difficult for me to get there by 10am.

Cheers

Gerry

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On 05/10/2010 at 19:20 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>After a very good meeting today (5th October ) it has been agreed that the
>support group can re-launch and start work on E train.
>
>A re-launch event has been planned for the 15th November 2010, to
>co-inside with a cab-it event called Record Breakers up at Locomotion,
>Shildon.
>
>It is hoped that volenteers from the North East will come forward to help
>with the long hard work ahead to restore E train.
>
>Please see : -
>
>http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/5october2010/5october2010.htm
>
>If you have some spare time, come see us.
>
>Wish us luck and hope that this is the start of a new chapter for APT-E.
>
>Long live the APT.
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>
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Paul

Your email says 15 November for the Re-launch but the web site gives 6 November.

Can you clear the confusion?

Cheers

Gerry

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On 05/10/2010 at 19:20 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>After a very good meeting today (5th October ) it has been agreed that the
>support group can re-launch and start work on E train.
>
>A re-launch event has been planned for the 15th November 2010, to
>co-inside with a cab-it event called Record Breakers up at Locomotion,
>Shildon.
>
>It is hoped that volenteers from the North East will come forward to help
>with the long hard work ahead to restore E train.
>
>Please see : -
>
>http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/5october2010/5october2010.htm
>
>If you have some spare time, come see us.
>
>Wish us luck and hope that this is the start of a new chapter for APT-E.
>
>Long live the APT.
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>
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>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Gerry Bates

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-E Group Re-launch Event

 

Paul

Your email says 15 November for the Re-launch but the web site gives 6 November.

Can you clear the confusion?

Cheers

Gerry

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 05/10/2010 at 19:20 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>After a very good meeting today (5th October ) it has been agreed that the
>support group can re-launch and start work on E train.
>
>A re-launch event has been planned for the 15th November 2010, to
>co-inside with a cab-it event called Record Breakers up at Locomotion,
>Shildon.
>
>It is hoped that volenteers from the North East will come forward to help
>with the long hard work ahead to restore E train.
>
>Please see : -
>
>http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/5october2010/5october2010.htm
>
>If you have some spare time, come see us.
>
>Wish us luck and hope that this is the start of a new chapter for APT-E.
>
>Long live the APT.
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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It looks like Paul was on such a high after the meeting he had the wrong calendar open...... <g>

The meeting was yesterday, the 15th Oct, but sadly I couldn't make it, and the re-launch is meant to coincide with the Record Breakers weekend at Shildon on November the 6th and 7th. As Tim says there's a small work day on E-Train prior to that though.

Currently I'm going to give a cut-down version of my whole APT Slide lecture at 11 am and 2 or 3 pm each day. It's going to be limited to E-Train itself, plus anything that preceded it, like HSFV1 and POP, but not Hastings, Trestrol or P-Train. This is because a) we don't want it to be too long and b) we need to grab the attention of potential local Support Group members on APT-E itself.

Paul has lots of other good audio visual ideas to run on the day too, so it should be quite a show.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Bates" <gerry@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the information Paul.
>
> What time will Kit be giving his presentation? I don't want to miss it but it will be difficult for me to get there by 10am.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gerry
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 05/10/2010 at 19:20 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:
>
> >Hello All,
> >
> >After a very good meeting today (5th October ) it has been agreed that the
> >support group can re-launch and start work on E train.
> >
> >A re-launch event has been planned for the 15th November 2010, to
> >co-inside with a cab-it event called Record Breakers up at Locomotion,
> >Shildon.
> >
> >It is hoped that volenteers from the North East will come forward to help
> >with the long hard work ahead to restore E train.
> >
> >Please see : -
> >
> >http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/5october2010/5october2010.htm
> >
> >If you have some spare time, come see us.
> >
> >Wish us luck and hope that this is the start of a new chapter for APT-E.
> >
> >Long live the APT.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Paul

Hello All,
After a very good meeting today (5th Octobe ) it has been agreed that the support group can re-launch and start work on E train.

A re-launch event has been planned for the 6th November 2010, to co-inside with a cab-it event called Record Breakers up at Locomotion, Shildon.

It is hoped that volenteers from the North East will come forward to help with the long hard work ahead to restore E train.

Please see : -

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/5october2010/5october2010.htm

If you have some spare time, come see us.

Wish us luck and hope that this is the start of a new chapter for APT-E.

Long live the APT.

Regards

Paul

Hi All,
Just to let everyone know, we are now planning on staffing the displays and the train on both days, the 6th and the 7th.

Both days we wil be open 10am until 4pm, with Kist lectures at 11am and 2pm.

Hope you can make it.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group.

Hi All,
Myself and Tim (and his dad) where up at Shildon yesterday to do a few jobs on E train before the big re-launch even.

Please see : -

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/15october2010/15october2010.htm

Like I said, identity is the key to success, LOL!!!

Regards

Paul

Hi,

While I was down in Swanage (of all places!), I sat on the platform with my son waiting for the service to Corfe Castle. There was a large pile of 'old railway magazines' which I flicked through, and I came across a wonderful article on a journey on ATP - written in December 1981 shortly after its passenger launch... with all the hope that this was to be the future.

Given the APT-E open day coming up, I thought I finally ought to do something with it, so I have scanned it in.

I'm not sure where we stand with copyright - Rail Enthusiast has (I believe) now changed to Rail, and this all pre-dates email addresses. (The authors are Peter Kelly, and Geoffrey Freeman Allen)

If people are interested, let me know - and if anyone is able to comment on whether it can be put on a website, I'll happily upload it.

I will quote Peter's last paragraph though: "The revolutionary features of the APT, the hydrokinetic brakes and the tilt mechanism, work well - and it's the niggling little things that are letting it down now. I'm sure BR will get it right, but perhaps there should be an intense period of non-passenger-carrying trials first"

That was February 1982!

Gordon

Hello Gordon,
Id be very interested in seeing this. I dont think that there would a copyright issue due to the time frame. We have posted acticles before on here.

The E train open day activites are coming along nicely, just completed a video presentation with a guest presenter.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "grgball" <gball@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> While I was down in Swanage (of all places!), I sat on the platform with my son waiting for the service to Corfe Castle. There was a large pile of 'old railway magazines' which I flicked through, and I came across a wonderful article on a journey on ATP - written in December 1981 shortly after its passenger launch... with all the hope that this was to be the future.
>
> Given the APT-E open day coming up, I thought I finally ought to do something with it, so I have scanned it in.
>
> I'm not sure where we stand with copyright - Rail Enthusiast has (I believe) now changed to Rail, and this all pre-dates email addresses. (The authors are Peter Kelly, and Geoffrey Freeman Allen)
>
> If people are interested, let me know - and if anyone is able to comment on whether it can be put on a website, I'll happily upload it.
>
> I will quote Peter's last paragraph though: "The revolutionary features of the APT, the hydrokinetic brakes and the tilt mechanism, work well - and it's the niggling little things that are letting it down now. I'm sure BR will get it right, but perhaps there should be an intense period of non-passenger-carrying trials first"
>
> That was February 1982!
>
> Gordon
>

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From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:19 AM
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: <APT Group> Re: Interesting story on APT - found in Rail
Enthusiast Feb1982

>> article on a journey on ATP - written in December 1981
>> I'm not sure where we stand with copyright -

> I don't think that there would a copyright issue due to the time frame.

The Publisher's rights to the 'typographical layout' expired 25 years after
publication, so you are clear with them.

The Authors' Copyright will expire 70 years after the death of the final
survivor, so the permission of them or their heirs is still required.

There are a few situations where material may be copied without permission.
Details at www.ipo.gov.uk

David 1/2d

HI All,
Just to remind everyone, that this weekend 6th and 7th November is the great APT-E Support group re-launch event.

Kits talks at 11am and 2pm each day, FREE.

Slide shows, displays, and a film show running through out the days.

Lets hope for a good turn out.

Regards

Paul