Hi all

does anyone here have a model of the APT-E that they are willing to
lend to a film company making a documentary on the APT ?

Please email off group and I'll put you in touch...


Rob
www.apt-p.com

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What documentary? Any more information would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks in anticipation
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> Hi all
>
> does anyone here have a model of the APT-E that they are willing to
> lend to a film company making a documentary on the APT ?

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On 11 May 2008, at 18:16, bill maxwell wrote:

> Short APT documentary on YouTube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDGi2bI8GIA
>

This is an extract from the 1979 BTF film 'A New Age For Railways'.

You can buy the whole film (plus many other gems) on the BFI's latest
compilation Volume 7 "The Age of the Train"

http://filmstore.bfi.org.uk/acatalog/info_8532.html

Nick

Many thanks to Bill for the YouTube clip link & Nick for the BFI link - I've
just ordered a copy :-)

Kindest regards,
Andy

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> On 11 May 2008, at 18:16, bill maxwell wrote:
>
>> Short APT documentary on YouTube:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDGi2bI8GIA
>>
>
> This is an extract from the 1979 BTF film 'A New Age For Railways'.
>
> You can buy the whole film (plus many other gems) on the BFI's latest
> compilation Volume 7 "The Age of the Train"
>
> http://filmstore.bfi.org.uk/acatalog/info_8532.html
>
> Nick

Hi

just looked on eBay and someone is selling a number of APT ties there
are about nine of them all starting at 99p - so this could be your
chance to grab a bargain !

The sellers id is 3003claire

Happy bidding !!


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Hi All

I've just put a webpage together with a memory of travel on APT-P from
Chris Gardner...

Does anyone else have the time to type up a account of their travels on
APT-P ? (Paul, Kit etc PLEASE)

Please email me at

rob@...

Thanks in advance


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Not now, but later. David 1/2d

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From: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 4:07 PM

>
> Does anyone else have the time to type up a account of their travels on
> APT-P ? (Paul, Kit etc PLEASE)
>

Rob,

>Does anyone else have the time to type up a account of their travels on

APT-P ? (Paul, Kit etc PLEASE)<

Be happy to, how much detail would you like?

Regards
Kit

Hi Kit and David

you can include as much detail as you wish (I have unlimited
webspace !) no seriously whatever you see fit...

I look forward to reading your accounts


Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Kit

Don't forget to tell them about the journalists who got drunk in Glasgow before the inaugural run, then felt sick later in the journey, when the sun came up!

Cheers

Gerry

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>Be happy to, how much detail would you like?
>
>Regards
>Kit
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Hi Rob,
Yes, no problem, I will sort out what notes I took and what I can
remember. The break test was interesting, a story about a cup of
coffee and a man in a nice suit.

I will put something together in the next few days and email it to
you, Rob.

Regards

Paul

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> Kit
>
> Don't forget to tell them about the journalists who got drunk in

Glasgow before the inaugural run, then felt sick later in the
journey, when the sun came up!

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> Cheers
>
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> >APT-P ? (Paul, Kit etc PLEASE)<
> >
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Just heard from RAW TV that their programme about the APT will be broadcast on Channel
5 UK soon See below...

Brits Who Made The Modern World
five
Friday, June 27th, 2008
7:30pm to 8:00pm

Tilting Trains.
Documentary series looking at the untold stories of British scientific innovations. Peter
Snow traces the history of the UK's experimental tilting trains of the 1970s and 80s. The
Advanced Passenger Trains were intended to rival France's TGV and Japan's bullet train,
but negative press and complaints about motion sickness helped scupper the project
before it could get going.

Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Thanks to Rob, (Mr APT-P) we now have some firm news when Ch 4 will show
the APT programme that I was lucky enough to be part of a few weeks ago.

The episode concerning APT is on June 27th at 7.30 pm. and the series kicks
off on the 20th with an episode on F1, presumably featuring Lotus from the
write up.

More info at :-

http://library.digiguide.com/lib/programme/Brits+Who+Made+The+Modern+World-
650897/Documentary/

Regards
Kit

Hi All

Just to clarify the programme Brits Who Made The Modern World is on Channel FIVE

On Channel 4 this Wednesday is a repeat of Massive Speed - Record breaking trains - I've
NOT seen it yet but someone told me it includes APT-E


Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Hi All Again

I seem to be suffering the same as Kit ! Massive Speed is on FIVE not 4 as I said earlier...

Sorry about that !


Rob
www.apt-p.com

It seems the 'Brits who made the modern world' series is on Channel Five,
not Four as I noted yesterday.

The TV production company always seemed a bit unsure about where it was
going, even Discovery was mentioned at some stage....

Regards
Kit

Did anyone get any of these and have one spare I could buy?
Regards
Mike




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wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> just looked on eBay and someone is selling a number of APT ties there
> are about nine of them all starting at 99p - so this could be your
> chance to grab a bargain !
>
> The sellers id is 3003claire
>
> Happy bidding !!
>
>
> Rob
> www.apt-p.com
>

Mike

someone else is selling one on eBay see -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260249430763


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Hi Mike,

How much would you offer for an APT tie? I have a small stock of these.

Bob

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From: holidaym2000

Did anyone get any of these and have one spare I could buy?
Regards
Mike

Asking quite a lot I know but I have found two photos of set 370 004
working a test train through Clay Cross in June 1979. It is running as
four cars: Driving Trailer, Buffet, unknown, Brake + test vehicles.

Photos of set 4 also show a buffet behind the driving trailer at the
RTC in July 1979, Litchurch Lane open day in September 1979 and Crewe
Works open day in September 1979.

The third coach in the rake is the main problem as no first class or
buffet stripes were applied to the stock in the first year or so.

Has anyone got the four car consist for set 4 during this time period?

Many thanks in anticipation,

Graham Harris

Andy Stephney has had an article published in the June edition of
Railway Modeller about how he built his N Gauge 7-car motorised APT-P.

http://www.apt-p.com/APTModelAStephneyAReed.htm

If you want to buy a copy HURRY UP as the July edition will be out next
week !!

Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Thanks Rob



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> Mike
>
> someone else is selling one on eBay see -
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> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260249430763
>
>
> Rob
> www.apt-p.com
>

Buckingham covers have quite a few first day covers with the APT on
them (and loads of other trains.)

Hi Bob,
They seemed to go for a couple of quid.
I'd like one so email me at mikeastons@... and let me know
how much etc.
Regards
Mike

Just a reminder, for those in the UK, that Brits Who Made The Modern
World about APT is on FIVE tomorrow at 7:30pm !

Rob
www.apt-p.com

Hi,

Just out of interest really the site about the APT-E has not been
updated since last year and the APT-P site seems to have little
information also.

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>Just out of interest really the site about the APT-E has not been
>updated since last year and the APT-P site seems to have little
>information also.<

That's because there's been nothing to report.......

Indeed, there's been nothing to report for some years on both trains for
various reasons.

For the E-Train it's because since we moved the train to Shildon there's
been no chance of any work being carried out as the NRM didn't see fit to
provide any facilities for that until recently. Only this week have we been
given news that we can re-start workgroups on the train, but of course that
needs planning, manpower and tools etc.

As I understand it, the new management at The Railway Age have not seen fit
to re-make contact with the P-Train Support Group, and are currently using
a new group of totally inexperienced volunteers to try and work on the
P-Train there.

Regards
Kit
(Mr. Tilt)

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What a fantastic documentary - just a pity my rarely used VHS recorder
decided to pack in - sods law!

Special thanks to all connected with the making of the show,
Andy

P.S Kit - can I have your autograph please :-)

Hi All,
I recorded the programme and at the present time are encoding it for
people to download. Should be ready tomorrow, if not later tonight.

I will post it on the E train site.

Yes, the E train group is going to re-start, I am just working with Kit
on some details before we announce the re-start, about time too.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

Hi Paul,

That's FANTASTIC news!!

Keep up the good work :-)
Andy

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> Hi All,
> I recorded the programme and at the present time are encoding it for
> people to download. Should be ready tomorrow, if not later tonight.
>
> I will post it on the E train site.
>
> Yes, the E train group is going to re-start, I am just working with Kit
> on some details before we announce the re-start, about time too.

Hi all,
A video of tonights APT programme is at :

http://www.apt-e.org/film/Brits_APT-E.wmv

Available after 10pm.

Enjoy.

PS. Its an un-edited cut and includes the adverts.

Its around 52mb, uploaded in case fellow APTers missed it.

Hi All,
Since the programme has aired, Ive already had 12 new members of the
E train group register.

If anyone wants to get dirty, exhausted and work on the worlds first
active tilting train, and fancy an APT meet around once a month,
please drop me a line with :

Name , address , email address , age and anything else you thing I
might like to know to,

Paul@...

All data will be kept just for NRM records and will not be passed on.

Watch the E train webiste for an update in the next week or so.

See Fridays CH5 programme all about APT-E at :

http://www.apt-e.org/film/Brits_APT-E.wmv

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

Hi all,

I am the new boy on the block and I joined because I am currently
collecting information so that I can build a 10 mm scale (G1) model
of the APT-E.

Can anyone tell me the following dimensions:

a) The length from the front of the PC to the middle of the doors in
the articulated unit.

b) The length of the TC from the middle of the doors in one articated
unit to the middle of the doors on the next.

c) The maximum width of the units.

d) The maximum height from the exhaust to the top of the rails.

Many thanks,

Yours,

Alan Coombe

Hi all,

I am the new boy on the block and I joined because I am currently
collecting information so that I can build a 10 mm scale (G1) model
of the APT-E.

Can anyone tell me the following dimensions:

a) The length from the front of the PC to the middle of the doors in
the articulated unit.

b) The length of the TC from the middle of the doors in one articated
unit to the middle of the doors on the next.

c) The maximum width of the units.

d) The maximum height from the exhaust to the top of the rails.

Many thanks,

Yours,

Alan Coombe

Alan,

>I have enlarged the 3mm drawing by David Hart to 10mm. According to me it

is actually intended to be 4mm scale<

That's because they ARE 4 mmm scale, that's OO in UK parlance, and I have
the original drawing. Who mentioned 3 mm? That would make it TT scale,
which is very rarely modelled these days.

>Enlarging it 2.5X gives the correct wheel centres on the front bogie and

the correct roof height. Unfortunately the length of the PC comes out at
73.5 feet >and the TC 68 feet measured along the sides. <

Why is that unfortunate? Looks about right to me, but it sounds like your
drawings are slightly warped somewhere. The 68 ft figure for the TC is from
the c/l of the joint module to the c/l of the opposite joint mdoule. Using
that point as a reference the PCs are 75.6 ft long. I did my own drawing of
the PC in 1971, measured from the as-delivered frameworks, and that's
almost exactly the same as the Hart drawings. The main difference is that
mine were measured with SA bogies instead of the later E1Ts, but they only
differed in wheelbase as far as the length dimensions were concerned.

>The drawings obviously lack detail but I thought I might be able to use

the blow ups to design the skeleton of the units - no such luck.<

What sort of skeleton are you talking about? If it's the internal framework
of the PCs, most of that never got close enough to the skin to be visible
and as the TCs were monocoque contsruction there wasn't a skeleton anyway.

>The 66 feet length of the PC and the 60 feet of the TC - is that measured

to the ends of the sides or to perpendiculars dropped from the extremes of
the >roof etc?<

Where did those figures come from? Both sound too short to me by quite a
long way.

Regards
Kit

Alan,

>I have enlarged the 3mm drawing by David Hart to 10mm. According to me it
is actually intended to be 4mm scale<

That's because they ARE 4 mmm scale, that's OO in UK parlance, and I have
the original drawing. Who mentioned 3 mm? That would make it TT scale,
which is very rarely modelled these days.

In the files section of this site: "apt.zip APT-E 3mm drawing by David Hart" - I think David was into 3mm scale.

>Enlarging it 2.5X gives the correct wheel centres on the front bogie and
the correct roof height. Unfortunately the length of the PC comes out at
73.5 feet >and the TC 68 feet measured along the sides. <

Why is that unfortunate? Looks about right to me, but it sounds like your
drawings are slightly warped somewhere. The 68 ft figure for the TC is from
the c/l of the joint module to the c/l of the opposite joint mdoule. Using
that point as a reference the PCs are 75.6 ft long. I did my own drawing of
the PC in 1971, measured from the as-delivered frameworks, and that's
almost exactly the same as the Hart drawings. The main difference is that
mine were measured with SA bogies instead of the later E1Ts, but they only
differed in wheelbase as far as the length dimensions were concerned.

The PC measures out at 75.5 cm or 75ft 6" to the C/L of the joint module. However the TC comes out at 72.5 cm - Hugh Williams says the window sections were 7 ft modules but the drawing shows the windows on 7.5 cm centres - were the modules mounted in a 6" framework?

>The drawings obviously lack detail but I thought I might be able to use
the blow ups to design the skeleton of the units - no such luck.<

What sort of skeleton are you talking about? If it's the internal framework
of the PCs, most of that never got close enough to the skin to be visible
and as the TCs were monocoque contsruction there wasn't a skeleton anyway.

My intention is to mount the bogies onto a steel box section ladder frame to which the shells will be mounted via gimbals so that they can tilt. It is my intention to make the tilt proportional to the curve and to the speed - the latter by using the speed control signal for the motors.

>The 66 feet length of the PC and the 60 feet of the TC - is that measured
to the ends of the sides or to perpendiculars dropped from the extremes of
the >roof etc?<

Where did those figures come from? Both sound too short to me by quite a
long way.

66 ft comes from message 2157 - message 2159 repeats the 66 ft but corrects the mm measurement to 23050mm - which converts to 75.6 ft! The 60 ft is in the messages somewhere.

  
Regards
Kit
 

 

 

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Alan,

OK, now I've checked the Forum itself I think I see the problem.

I'm sorry but I was referring to a different set of drawings, not the ones
in the Forum Files section, and that makes all the difference. Give me some
time, a few hours maybe, and I'll come up with the answers, but I suspect
that the drawings you're working off aren't accurate enough.

Somewhere I have some direct side-on photos of the whole train, taken
before we powered it up for the first time, and I'll see if I can scan them
and upload them as well.

Regards
Kit

Well, so much for that plan...

My graphics software on this new Vista powered laptop won't link to my
scanner. The help file won't read because Microsoft have removed support
for the previous Help Page format from Vista (WHAT???) Even if it, did the
previous drivers for the scanner/printer don't work over a network as I'm
using Vista.

There must be some advantage in using Vista but I'm damned if I can see any
at this stage. <sigh>

Regards
Kit

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From: "Kit Spackman" <101453.3657@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:21 PM

> There must be some advantage in using Vista but I'm damned if I can see
> any
> at this stage. <sigh>
>

Kit,

Microsoft have been obliged to create a perceived advantage by preventing
almost all shipments of OEM XP rather earlier than expected.

Is there anything else that would help? I've got most of the early
publications in the loft and a scanner that (touch wood) works.

David 1/2d
also a Gauge 1 guy like Alan

Alan,

I've managed to get my scanner to talk to my laptop now and I've done a
rough scan of the James Henderson drawings, the one's I've been on about
previously.

They've faded and yellowed with time so they'll need some considerable
editing before they are in a state to archive, but I'm on the case. To do a
decent job I'll need to do a high resolution scan which will make the
editing even longer, but it'll be worth it in the end, trust me <g>

The articulated bogies on the drawing you have are the Swinging Arm
versions, and E-Train only made it's inaugural main-line run using those.
All subsequent runs used the slightly longer wheelbase E1T bogie, which
looks substantially different. The SA bogie wheelbase was approx. 2450 mm
whereas the E1T bogie's wheelbase was about 2700 mm, around 10" longer. Of
course only E-Train pedants like me would know that. <g>

I'll post progress reports on the editing as I go.

Regards
Kit

I bumped into Alan Wells from P-Train Commissioning Team today.

Alan's not on-line, which is shame, but he still has his old Wurzel (West
Country) accent after 40 years in Derby.

He'd been over to Crewe and tripped over the P-Train they have there, and
one of the present refurbishment team. They took a walk down the train and
Alan was surprised (but not critical) at how little they knew. For example
he had no idea there were diesel generator sets on board. Alan could tell
the guy what was behind each equipment bay door before he opened it. Just
hope he took notes!

David 1/2d