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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2513 From: Andi Dell Date: 09/10/2007
Subject: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2514 From: max.walrus Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: cardboard box
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2515 From: Adam Warr Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: cardboard box
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2516 From: Brian Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: 2 questions
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2517 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2518 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2519 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Railway Herald 2007 railway Census
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2520 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: APT-P on the move in 1990
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2521 From: storm_sandford Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2522 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Botch paint job?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2523 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: Botch paint job?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2524 From: Kit Spackman Date: 13/10/2007
Subject: APT Show at the MRC
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2525 From: David Halfpenny Date: 13/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT Show at the MRC
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2526 From: robbrigden1 Date: 14/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT Show at the MRC
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2527 From: Kit Spackman Date: 15/10/2007
Subject: APT Lectures at NRM
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2528 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 16/10/2007
Subject: New poll for Advanced-Passenger-Train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2530 From: Rob Latham Date: 16/10/2007
Subject: POLL
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2531 From: colywob_colywob Date: 18/10/2007
Subject: Kits APT Show
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2532 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 19/10/2007
Subject: APT photos
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2533 From: David Halfpenny Date: 19/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT photos
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2534 From: Paul Leadley Date: 19/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT Lectures at NRM
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2535 From: Kit Spackman Date: 21/10/2007
Subject: Paul L email problems?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2536 From: Rob Latham Date: 21/10/2007
Subject: Re: Paul L email problems?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2537 From: Paul Leadley Date: 23/10/2007
Subject: Major news about APT-E at Shildon
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2538 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 23/10/2007
Subject: Re: Major news about APT-E at Shildon
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2539 From: t.sage Date: 25/10/2007
Subject: Re: Major news about APT-E at Shildon
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2540 From: Rob Latham Date: 26/10/2007
Subject: Weather December 1981
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2541 From: spacewriter_ranger Date: 28/10/2007
Subject: american apt
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2542 From: Rob Latham Date: 28/10/2007
Subject: Re: american apt
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2543 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 30/10/2007
Subject: Poll results for Advanced-Passenger-Train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2544 From: Simon Argyle Date: 03/11/2007
Subject: APT Models
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2545 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 19/11/2007
Subject: Rare APT items for sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2546 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 25/11/2007
Subject: Very rare APT-E item for sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2547 From: robbrigden1 Date: 26/11/2007
Subject: 2 APT Sets plus extra Carriages
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2548 From: robbrigden1 Date: 05/12/2007
Subject: APT Set + Extra Coaches
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2550 From: Andi Dell Date: 03/01/2008
Subject: APT pantographs
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2551 From: Kit Spackman Date: 03/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT pantographs
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2552 From: David Halfpenny (h) Date: 03/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT pantographs
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2553 From: Alan Date: 17/01/2008
Subject: Research Laboratory Security Lapel Badge?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2554 From: Kit Spackman Date: 18/01/2008
Subject: Re: Research Laboratory Security Lapel Badge?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2555 From: robert344781 Date: 19/01/2008
Subject: Advanced Passenger Train film footage.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2556 From: robbrigden1 Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: Advanced Passenger Train film footage.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2557 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: 'Hybrid' 7¼-inch gauge miniature APT-P
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2558 From: Kit Spackman Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: APT Film footage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2559 From: Alan Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2560 From: robbrigden1 Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2561 From: robbrigden1 Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2562 From: Alan Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2563 From: Kit Spackman Date: 21/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2564 From: Alan Date: 21/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage


Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2513 From: Andi Dell Date: 09/10/2007
Subject: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
For those not on Rmweb there is a discussion about the state of P-train
at the moment.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9775&highlight=

Andi
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2514 From: max.walrus Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: cardboard box
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2515 From: Adam Warr Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: cardboard box
On the subject of APT cardboard boxes, anyone remember the chocolate
easter egg APT-P box? It contained about 6 small choccy eggs and was a
very good representation of the real thing!

Best Regards,
/*Adam Warr */
Electra Railway Graphics
Peterborough, UK
Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk


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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2516 From: Brian Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: 2 questions
Sorry if this has been discussed before.

When did the black surrounds go on the nose?

Are there any plans I could work from to make a 'nose up' for haulong
conversion?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2517 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
> http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9775&highlight=

Taken from the above:

- - - - -

One point about the APT at Crewe Heritage Centre...

The train has little more connection with the town than the aircraft
that fly over on the way to Manchester airport. As a Derby built unit
why isn't it preserved there? OK some of them were based at Crewe
ETD, but so were many other more successful locos. The APT was an
abyssmal failure and waste of taxpayer's money which would have been
better spent upgrading the line for conventional trains to run on -
all at the same speed.

Unless they have dedicated tracks any trains travelling at
significantly higher (or lower) speeds than the rest of traffic will
only cause timetabling problems and reduce the overall capacity of
the route by requiring large headways for safety and leaving vacuums
of empty track behind where nothing else keeps up with them.

Talking to various people at the heritage centre reveals that the
APT's last repaint was a botch job and they don't have the resources
available to repaint it.

- - - - -

"Last repaint a botch job" ??? = I thought it looked absolutely
brilliant when it was repainted in 2002.

Andy
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2518 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 10/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
> "Last repaint a botch job" ??? = I thought it looked absolutely brilliant
> when it was repainted in 2002.

The Groups' home page photo is proof of the excellent paint job !!!!!

Andy

Long live the APT :-)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2519 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Railway Herald 2007 railway Census
http://railwayherald.co.uk/2007RailwayCensus

<snip>
"The Railway Herald is looking to rail enthusiasts around the country
to help document in-depth the profile and operational aspects of the
UK's National Rail network in 2007. The aim is for the results, which
will be published in a downloadable special edition of Railway Herald
AND in an extended, professionally printed magazine, to become a highly
detailed accurate reference source for future years. The date for
the 'Census' week is 21st-27th October 2007 and sightings, information
and photographs on everything to day-to-day DMU workings to test trains
and one-off freight movements are needed....."
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2520 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 11/10/2007
Subject: APT-P on the move in 1990
 
- - - - -
 
Many thanks to Paul & Rob for their APT-E & APT-P websites - keep up the good work !!
 
Kindest regards,
Andy
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2521 From: storm_sandford Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT at Crewe being discussed on RMWeb
Hi

I was there on the day the new paint job was revealed and it look
immaculate. So how anybody can say it was botch is mad.

Storm





--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Appleton"
<APT370@...> wrote:
>
> > "Last repaint a botch job" ??? = I thought it looked absolutely
brilliant
> > when it was repainted in 2002.
>
> The Groups' home page photo is proof of the excellent paint
job !!!!!
>
> Andy
>
> Long live the APT :-)
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2522 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Botch paint job?
> I was there on the day the new paint job was revealed and it look
>immaculate. So how anybody can say it was botch is mad.<

Of course those at the Railway Age who are saying this have a vested
interest, in that they don't want to fork out to repaint P Train.

It's a bit like BR's line closing policy, you cancel half the services and
ensure the ones left over run at silly times. Then you say there's not
enough passenger usage on the route to warrant keeping it open and then
close the line. A self-fulfilling prophesy...........

Regards
Cynical Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2523 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 12/10/2007
Subject: Re: Botch paint job?
> It's a bit like BR's line closing policy, you cancel half the services and
> ensure the ones left over run at silly times. Then you say there's not
> enough passenger usage on the route to warrant keeping it open and then
> close the line. A self-fulfilling prophesy...........

You've hit the nail on the head there my friend!

Take care,
Andy

P.S How did the APT presentation go last night?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2524 From: Kit Spackman Date: 13/10/2007
Subject: APT Show at the MRC
Andy,

>P.S How did the APT presentation go last night?<

Excellent, the audience were intelligent, asked good questions and seemed
to enjoy the hilarious bits as well.

Even better was that Martin Collins was there too, so I was able to pass
the brake related questions on to him <g>

I rather pushed my luck by leaving my notes in the car by mistake, and it
was parked miles away, so I elected to go in blind as it were. It went OK,
I just missed my usual accurate dates for various events etc, and no-one
complained too much.

I'll let Paul report on our meeting about E-Train at the NRM yesterday, but
one thing that came from it was that I may be doing a longer version of the
APT Show at the NRM for the Friends and others some time over the winter.

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2525 From: David Halfpenny Date: 13/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT Show at the MRC
Could get to last night's show - family funeral - so please let us know
when your next performances are Kit.

David 1/2d

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kit Spackman" <101453.3657@...>

>>P.S How did the APT presentation go last night?<
>
> Excellent, the audience were intelligent, asked good questions and seemed
> to enjoy the hilarious bits as well.
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2526 From: robbrigden1 Date: 14/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT Show at the MRC
Dear Kit,

I live in Yorkshire and would definitely attend a show at the NRM
(being able to afford to reach the venue, etc.) Would strangers be
welcome to buy a ticket?

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman
<101453.3657@...> wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> >P.S How did the APT presentation go last night?<
>
> Excellent, the audience were intelligent, asked good questions and
seemed
> to enjoy the hilarious bits as well.
>
> Even better was that Martin Collins was there too, so I was able
to pass
> the brake related questions on to him <g>
>
> I rather pushed my luck by leaving my notes in the car by
mistake, and it
> was parked miles away, so I elected to go in blind as it were. It
went OK,
> I just missed my usual accurate dates for various events etc, and
no-one
> complained too much.
>
> I'll let Paul report on our meeting about E-Train at the NRM
yesterday, but
> one thing that came from it was that I may be doing a longer
version of the
> APT Show at the NRM for the Friends and others some time over the
winter.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2527 From: Kit Spackman Date: 15/10/2007
Subject: APT Lectures at NRM
Hello Rob,

>I live in Yorkshire and would definitely attend a show at the NRM
>(being able to afford to reach the venue, etc.) Would strangers be
>welcome to buy a ticket? <

I doubt there would be any tickets as such. The NRM being a national museum
and being seen as an educational institution, has free access as part of
it's remit, so anyone who wants to come should be able to attend.

Paul may know the 'rules' better than I do so maybe he could confirm or
deny my thoughts here.

In any case I doubt there'd be an issue if we vouched for a fellow List
Member anyway.

But remember you'd have to agree NOT to laugh too loud at the hysterical
bits.......... <g>

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2528 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 16/10/2007
Subject: New poll for Advanced-Passenger-Train
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Advanced-Passenger-Train group:

Is the APT Male / Female (like ships) / Unsexed ?

o Male
o Female
o Unsexed


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/surveys?id=2594158

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2530 From: Rob Latham Date: 16/10/2007
Subject: POLL
Someone sent me a photo' that they described as "The APT-P unloading
HER passengers at Euston" and it got me thinking...


Rob
www.apt-p.com
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2531 From: colywob_colywob Date: 18/10/2007
Subject: Kits APT Show
Sorry for the delay in e-mailing, blink and a weeks gone by!

I visited the MRC for Kit's show, it was very good, especially as Kit
had forgotten his notes and delivered the presentation from memory!

I had travelled down from Derby by train which was fine, but there was
a delay on the return journey. I left London on the 10:25 and arrived
back at Derby at 1:15 in the morning....... oh the joys of travelling
by our beloved mode of transport!!!

Kit, do you still have the e-mail address I gave you, so I can send you
my picture of APT-E on her last journey up to York?

Bye for now

Son of brakes
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2532 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 19/10/2007
Subject: APT photos
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2533 From: David Halfpenny Date: 19/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT photos
Thanks for those Andrew.

Questions:

If I live long enough to both find and scan my 1970s APT pix, where is the
best place to upload:
- the transparencies?
- the schools-and-colleges lectures that I did?

And is there a sensible repository for originals that I should instruct my
heirs to send the snaps to should they not want to keep them ?

David 1/2d
APT Mechanical Design

APT Test Hall sported a tri-lingual sign that announced somewhat
cumbersomely "Defence de Prendre des Photographs". I've got a good one of
that - with Permission, naturally.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2534 From: Paul Leadley Date: 19/10/2007
Subject: Re: APT Lectures at NRM
Hi all,
The NRM would allow people from outside the Friends and NRM to attend
a meeting, if we said it was ok, and we would have to reserve the
tickets, as the lecture theatre in the NRM holds about 60 people, if
I remember correctly.

Im sure we could work something out.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman
<101453.3657@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Rob,
>
> >I live in Yorkshire and would definitely attend a show at the NRM
> >(being able to afford to reach the venue, etc.) Would strangers be
> >welcome to buy a ticket? <
>
> I doubt there would be any tickets as such. The NRM being a
national museum
> and being seen as an educational institution, has free access as
part of
> it's remit, so anyone who wants to come should be able to attend.
>
> Paul may know the 'rules' better than I do so maybe he could
confirm or
> deny my thoughts here.
>
> In any case I doubt there'd be an issue if we vouched for a fellow
List
> Member anyway.
>
> But remember you'd have to agree NOT to laugh too loud at the
hysterical
> bits.......... <g>
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2535 From: Kit Spackman Date: 21/10/2007
Subject: Paul L email problems?
Hello Paul,

I've been trying to send you an email for a while (to the apt site address)
but it keeps getting returned. Can you meail me from an address that's OK
please?

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2536 From: Rob Latham Date: 21/10/2007
Subject: Re: Paul L email problems?
Kit

both @... and @... have had problems since 24 Sept 2007
neither Paul or myself have been able to send or receive messages on
these accounts. I have set up a temporary email address see www.apt-
p.com for details.

Best wishes


Rob
www.apt-p.com
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2537 From: Paul Leadley Date: 23/10/2007
Subject: Major news about APT-E at Shildon
Hi All,
Ive just posted the details of the meeting held at the NRM about the
future fo APT-E.

http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/12october2007/12october2007.htm

Regards

Paul
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2538 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 23/10/2007
Subject: Re: Major news about APT-E at Shildon
That's the best news I've had in a long time :-)

Keep up the good work...
Andy
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2539 From: t.sage Date: 25/10/2007
Subject: Re: Major news about APT-E at Shildon
hi mate ive lost anthonys e-mail address could you send me it as im poping up shildon monday but want to make sure its ok with him as its going to be shut to the public that day
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Major news about APT-E at Shildon

Hi All,
Ive just posted the details of the meeting held at the NRM about the
future fo APT-E.

http://www.apt- e.org/workdays/ 12october2007/ 12october2007. htm

Regards

Paul
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2540 From: Rob Latham Date: 26/10/2007
Subject: Weather December 1981
A reminder of how bad the snow was in December 1981 from Alexander
MacDonald...

http://www.apt-p.com/APTGalleryColourAMacD.htm


Rob
www.apt-p.com
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2541 From: spacewriter_ranger Date: 28/10/2007
Subject: american apt
hi guys I was wondering if anybody knows how far the Br and the OLd
budd company in the United states got with the development of the
U.S.version of the Advanced passenger train.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2542 From: Rob Latham Date: 28/10/2007
Subject: Re: american apt
For those who haven't heard about the AAPT before take a look at -

http://www.apt-p.com/AAPT.htm

Rob
www.apt-p.com


>
> hi guys I was wondering if anybody knows how far the Br and the OLd
> budd company in the United states got with the development of the
> U.S.version of the Advanced passenger train.
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2543 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 30/10/2007
Subject: Poll results for Advanced-Passenger-Train
The following Advanced-Passenger-Train poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Is the APT Male / Female (like ships) / Unsexed ?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Male, 2 votes, 9.09%
- Female, 9 votes, 40.91%
- Unsexed, 11 votes, 50.00%



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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2544 From: Simon Argyle Date: 03/11/2007
Subject: APT Models
For the eagle eyed among you, you will see that Bachmann Model Railways run a wish list -
don't for a minute think they will listen, but in case you have not got anything better to do
you could always propose a class 370 APT.......
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2545 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 19/11/2007
Subject: Rare APT items for sale
British Rail Research APT-E and POP Train Work Book:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200175532953

British Rail Research Log Book - APT and LAB Details:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/British-Rail-Research-Log-Book-APT-and-LAB-Details_W0QQitemZ200175536631

TWO MILES A MINUTE - The Story Behind the Conception and Operation of
Britain's HST & APT:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/High-Speed-Advanced-Passenger-Train-HST-APT-Nock-BOOK_W0QQitemZ250189489008

Happy Bidding!
Andy

http://AA-Rail-Pics.fotopic.net
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2546 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 25/11/2007
Subject: Very rare APT-E item for sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2547 From: robbrigden1 Date: 26/11/2007
Subject: 2 APT Sets plus extra Carriages
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APT-Advanced-Passenger-Train-2-Sets-Extra-
Coaches_W0QQitemZ120188754193QQihZ002QQcategoryZ125452QQssPageNameZWDVWQ
QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Very tempting indeed. If only it'd been a few months ago when I wasn't
broke! I'm still chasing that 14 car rake :-/~
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2548 From: robbrigden1 Date: 05/12/2007
Subject: APT Set + Extra Coaches
Item on ebay, just been discussing it on the Newrailwaymodellers.co.uk
website.

Looks like it has been re-listed as a reduced item, but still plenty of
coaches which is always a bonus.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APT-Advanced-Passenger-Train-Extra-
Coaches_W0QQitemZ120193433900QQihZ002QQcategoryZ125452QQssPageNameZWDVWQ
QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here's the youtube vid posted with the item..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef0SnTvgRnE

Looks quite cool
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2550 From: Andi Dell Date: 03/01/2008
Subject: APT pantographs
Can anyone tell me roughly when the pans were changed from Stone
Faiveley type to Brecknell Willis please? Also I know that a mechanism
was included to keep the pan vertical when the PC body tilted, would
this operate on the non raised pan as well? I'm in the process of
cutting up various Hornby APTs to make a longer set and I want to get
things as correct as I can for a ten car formation running in 1983/4

Andi
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2551 From: Kit Spackman Date: 03/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT pantographs
Andi,

>Also I know that a mechanism was included to keep the pan vertical when
the PC body tilted, would this operate on the non raised pan as well?<

When we tested the Anti-tilt pantograph on 'Trestrol' it had no option but
to work with the pantograph down as it was connected by a couple of socking
great rods up each side. Having said that, with the pan down the amount of
visible sideways movement would have been very small indeed, measured in
inches rather than the foot or so that it moved when at full stretch.

I can't imagine that the P-Trains were much different from 'Trestrol' as
that bit of it worked pretty well perfectly, which is more than can be said
of other aspects of that expleted deleted vehicle!

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2552 From: David Halfpenny (h) Date: 03/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT pantographs
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andi Dell" <andi@...>


> Can anyone tell me roughly when the pans were changed from Stone
> Faiveley type to Brecknell Willis please?

Pretty early I would think. As I recall, the B-W was designed to overcome
the limitations of the familar S-F type at high speed.

> Also I know that a mechanism
> was included to keep the pan vertical when the PC body tilted, would
> this operate on the non raised pan as well? I'm in the process of
> cutting up various Hornby APTs to make a longer set and I want to get
> things as correct as I can for a ten car formation running in 1983/4
>

The pan anti-tilt mechanism was designed by Dr David Boocock, head of the
APT-P Design. He came into Lathkill House one day with a model built from
Meccano. It sat on a filing cabinet for a long time until somebody asked
David when his lads wanted their Meccano back. David took the project very
seriously, and replied, shocked, "It's MY Meccano."

The mechanism is purely passive (no actuators) and is basically the same as
the tilting mechanism, but upside down. I can explain if further if anyone
cares. It lets the pantograph rise and fall with the power car body while
almost cancelling out its tilt and roll movements. There was a lot of
head-scratching in the Mechanical Design drawing office before David's
simple and elegant solution.

On an unsprung model, just make the pan platform rigid with the bogie frame
below.

David 1/2d
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2553 From: Alan Date: 17/01/2008
Subject: Research Laboratory Security Lapel Badge?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2554 From: Kit Spackman Date: 18/01/2008
Subject: Re: Research Laboratory Security Lapel Badge?
Alan,

>Real?:

>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300189478422<

Certainly looks it, and the 399 no. is just about the highest one issued.
My red one was about no. 160 or so, but it's long gone. He's dead right
about the colours though, I still have my black one.

I may even bid for it <g>

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2555 From: robert344781 Date: 19/01/2008
Subject: Advanced Passenger Train film footage.
Dear group members,
I have just rekindled my interest in trains in general, and the APT was
a train I used to see from my school whilst in classes or on school
breaks. At the time I did not have a camera or video so did not obtain
any archive footage. However I did collect newspaper cuttings which I
have scanned to my PC.
Looking on that well known internet auction site I have found video
footage but it has reached an expensive price. Is there any company out
there which could re-release some APT action on DVD format at a
reasonable price? If not I am appealing through the group if any one
can help me to obtain video/dvd footage for personal viewing only. ( I
hope group owner is OK with this sort of question.) I am happy to
obtain TV recordings.
I thank all,
Robert
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2556 From: robbrigden1 Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: Advanced Passenger Train film footage.
Robert,

Thanks for the post. I recently bid on an APT video, which I believe
ran to about 30mins. but ended up selling for about £50.

There seems to be a disappointing lack of APT footage available and
I'd definitely be interested in tracking some down. I wonder if the
BBC has anything in its archives - which should be available for
public consumption.

For your information, a website called trainspotting.tv is selling a
DVD of their Sky series, which includes an episode on APT at the
Crewe Heritage Centre. I've never seen it, but this might include
some original footage. However, I think there is only about 15 mins
on the APT and the DVD isn't cheap.

Also, you might want to check out this youtube video, which contains
some cool footage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mlE5dA5z_g

Anyway, keep in touch regarding your progress.

Cheers, Rob.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "robert344781"
<robert.gudger@...> wrote:
>
> Dear group members,
> I have just rekindled my interest in trains in general, and the
APT was
> a train I used to see from my school whilst in classes or on
school
> breaks. At the time I did not have a camera or video so did not
obtain
> any archive footage. However I did collect newspaper cuttings
which I
> have scanned to my PC.
> Looking on that well known internet auction site I have found
video
> footage but it has reached an expensive price. Is there any
company out
> there which could re-release some APT action on DVD format at a
> reasonable price? If not I am appealing through the group if any
one
> can help me to obtain video/dvd footage for personal viewing only.
( I
> hope group owner is OK with this sort of question.) I am happy to
> obtain TV recordings.
> I thank all,
> Robert
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2557 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: 'Hybrid' 7¼-inch gauge miniature APT-P

Video footage of a 'Hybrid' 7¼-inch gauge miniature APT-P set at Lappa Valley:

 
Enjoy!
Andy
 
 
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2558 From: Kit Spackman Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: APT Film footage
Rob,

>which includes an episode on APT at the Crewe Heritage Centre. I've never
seen it, but this might include
>some original footage. However, I think there is only about 15 mins on the
APT and the DVD isn't cheap.<

I have, from the inside as it were. <g>

I don't think the Trainspotting APT section includes any running footage,
apart from just a glimpse. When they filmed the session at Crewe they were
all talking about 'doing it all in one session'. As you say it lasts about
15-20 mins, maybe 25 at best, and most of it is our discussions of 'why'
and 'how' etc.

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2559 From: Alan Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
I have a copy of the episode of Trainspotting that includes APT. The
article lasts 5 minutes and contains:

Internal view of 1st class passenger vehicle at Crewe.
Internal and external views at Crewe.
APT-E.
External approaching view at track level negotiating a reverse curve.
Internal cab view (looking ahead) negotiating a curve with some tilt.
Chase view from the air.

I shall try get it online within the next few days.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2560 From: robbrigden1 Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Alan,

I look forward to it. Thanks very much.

Rob

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <yahoo@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a copy of the episode of Trainspotting that includes APT. The
> article lasts 5 minutes and contains:
>
> Internal view of 1st class passenger vehicle at Crewe.
> Internal and external views at Crewe.
> APT-E.
> External approaching view at track level negotiating a reverse curve.
> Internal cab view (looking ahead) negotiating a curve with some tilt.
> Chase view from the air.
>
> I shall try get it online within the next few days.
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2561 From: robbrigden1 Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Kit,

Thanks for the info. Hopefully, we'll get a peak at Alan's video
once it's loaded up.

Rob

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman
<101453.3657@...> wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> >which includes an episode on APT at the Crewe Heritage Centre.
I've never
> seen it, but this might include
> >some original footage. However, I think there is only about 15
mins on the
> APT and the DVD isn't cheap.<
>
> I have, from the inside as it were. <g>
>
> I don't think the Trainspotting APT section includes any running
footage,
> apart from just a glimpse. When they filmed the session at Crewe
they were
> all talking about 'doing it all in one session'. As you say it
lasts about
> 15-20 mins, maybe 25 at best, and most of it is our discussions
of 'why'
> and 'how' etc.
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2562 From: Alan Date: 20/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Don't forget the 'Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time' video in
the files section, and this YouTube video (note the moving horizon
behind the guy being interviewed!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mlE5dA5z_g
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2563 From: Kit Spackman Date: 21/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Alan,

>I have a copy of the episode of Trainspotting that includes APT. The
article lasts 5 minutes and contains:......<

Now that's odd. Does it have a large chunk in the middle with me sitting in
the cab explaining how BR got it all wrong? <g>

And it should start with Mark Found walking down the carriage and sitting
down talking about a cup of coffee that's sitting on a table.

Maybe there are two episodes about APT?

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2564 From: Alan Date: 21/01/2008
Subject: Re: APT Film footage
Yep, that's the one Kit.

The guy at the start with the coffee is Mark Found.

Later in the article, when inside APT-P's cab and talking about the
APT-E tilt system, you make the utterly brilliant statement "it was
probably the highest performance tilt system in any train that's ever
been built anywhere"!

It's definitely only 5 minutes long, so perhaps there are two versions
as you say.