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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2308 From: Rob Latham Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: Cover Competition & APT-P.co.uk
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2309 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: APT Inaugural Run 7th December 1981
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2310 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to Advanced-Passenger-Train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2311 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to Advanced-Passenger-Train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2312 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to Advanced-Passenger-Train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2313 From: JOHN BOWLER Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: APT photo in NON APT Folder
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2314 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: Re: APT photo in NON APT Folder
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2316 From: john561691 Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: Re: APT photo in NON APT Folder
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2317 From: Rob Latham Date: 21/12/2006
Subject: APT Cover Competition
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2319 From: Kit Spackman Date: 01/01/2007
Subject: Tilt gospel according to Kit...
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2320 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 01/01/2007
Subject: Re: Tilt gospel according to Kit...
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2321 From: Rob Latham Date: 04/01/2007
Subject: Buckingham Cover Comp
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2322 From: Rob Latham Date: 04/01/2007
Subject: APT Buckingham Cover
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2323 From: brookweed5 Date: 06/01/2007
Subject: APT-P Braking
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2324 From: Paul Leadley Date: 09/01/2007
Subject: Cab it at Locomotion, Shildon.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2325 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2326 From: Adam Warr Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2327 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2328 From: Alan Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2329 From: James R Moody Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2330 From: Adam Warr Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2331 From: Philip McGaw Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2332 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2333 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2334 From: James R Moody Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2335 From: Andi Dell Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2336 From: Andi Dell Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2337 From: James R Moody Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2338 From: Paul Rowlinson Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2339 From: Wayne Marshall Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2340 From: Adam Warr Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2342 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: P and E Train together?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2343 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: Re: P and E Train together?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2345 From: James R Moody Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: Re: Re: P and E Train together?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2346 From: David Halfpenny Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: Fw: P and E Train together?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2347 From: Kit Spackman Date: 13/01/2007
Subject: E Train under the wires
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2348 From: David Halfpenny Date: 14/01/2007
Subject: Re: E Train under the wires
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2349 From: Paul Leadley Date: 14/01/2007
Subject: Cab-it Report for Locomotion.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2350 From: Kit Spackman Date: 14/01/2007
Subject: E Train under the wires
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2351 From: pedromorgan Date: 15/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2352 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 19/01/2007
Subject: APT-P in BR blue!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2353 From: keelar001 Date: 23/01/2007
Subject: APT Drivers Manual Available
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2354 From: Group Owner Date: 28/01/2007
Subject: ADMIN: Message delays
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2355 From: max.walrus Date: 29/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2356 From: Simon Argyle Date: 30/01/2007
Subject: Discussion Topic - APT-E/Rolls Royce Dart GT
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2357 From: Paul Leadley Date: 02/02/2007
Subject: Re: Discussion Topic - APT-E/Rolls Royce Dart GT
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2358 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 02/02/2007
Subject: APT Publicity Material (free download)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2359 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 04/02/2007
Subject: Hornby APT video
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2360 From: David Halfpenny Date: 05/02/2007
Subject: Re: Hornby APT video
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2361 From: Alan Date: 05/02/2007
Subject: Re: Hornby APT video


Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2308 From: Rob Latham Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: Cover Competition & APT-P.co.uk
Hi All

don't forget to enter the 25th anniversary cover competition see -

http://www.apt-p.com/BuckinghamCover2006.htm

As a clue the artist includes a mouse in all his paintings !



Due to a lack of time I've not had chance to do much work on the new
website.

See http://www.apt-p.co.uk for a start - any suggestions please email
me.



Rob
www.apt-p.com
www.apt-p.co.uk
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2309 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: APT Inaugural Run 7th December 1981
The February 1982 edition of 'Modern Railways' magazine carried a two-page spread on the inaugural run of the APT which took place 25 years ago today! (7th December 1981). I was going to type the entire article and send it to the group via email, as my scanner is playing up, but decided to take a digital photo of each page and I will upload them to the 'Files section' of the group soon.
 
Watch this space....
 
Happy Anniversary APT!
Andy
 
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2310 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to Advanced-Passenger-Train
Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Advanced-Passenger-Train
group.

File : /APT inaugural run (7th Dec 81)/Inaugural run (07-12-81) page 1.jpg
Uploaded by : apt_p <APT370@...>
Description : APT inaugural run by Roger Ford (Page 1 of 2)

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/files/APT%20inaugural%20run%20%287th%20Dec%2081%29/Inaugural%20run%20%2807-12-81%29%20page%201.jpg

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

apt_p <APT370@...>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2311 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to Advanced-Passenger-Train
Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Advanced-Passenger-Train
group.

File : /APT inaugural run (7th Dec 81)/Inaugural run (07-12-81) page 2.jpg
Uploaded by : apt_p <APT370@...>
Description : APT inaugural run by Roger Ford (Page 2 of 2)

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/files/APT%20inaugural%20run%20%287th%20Dec%2081%29/Inaugural%20run%20%2807-12-81%29%20page%202.jpg

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

apt_p <APT370@...>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2312 From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: New file uploaded to Advanced-Passenger-Train
Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Advanced-Passenger-Train
group.

File : /APT inaugural run (7th Dec 81)/MR (Feb 82) Newsdesk APT article.jpg
Uploaded by : apt_p <APT370@...>
Description : Newsdesk article taken from Modern Railways magazine Feb 82: "Problems follow APT inaugural run".

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/files/APT%20inaugural%20run%20%287th%20Dec%2081%29/MR%20%28Feb%2082%29%20Newsdesk%20APT%20article.jpg

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

apt_p <APT370@...>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2313 From: JOHN BOWLER Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: APT photo in NON APT Folder
Hi,
I have inadvertently put a photo of an APT in the NON APT folder
Please can you remove it for me
 
Thank You
Regards
JB
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2314 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: Re: APT photo in NON APT Folder
Hello John,

I have moved the photo in question to your photo album.

Best wishes,
Andrew
(Group Owner)

--- JOHN BOWLER wrote:

> I have inadvertently put a photo of an APT in the NON APT folder
> Please can you remove it for me
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2316 From: john561691 Date: 07/12/2006
Subject: Re: APT photo in NON APT Folder
Hi Andrew,
Making a right mess of this i'm afraid
Can not seem to get my dates right
Must be past my bedtime
Can you please delete all the empty folders I have created
Everytime I try I seem to create more
Once again apologies and thank you
Regards,
JB

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Appleton"
<APT370@...> wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> I have moved the photo in question to your photo album.
>
> Best wishes,
> Andrew
> (Group Owner)
>
> --- JOHN BOWLER wrote:
>
> > I have inadvertently put a photo of an APT in the NON APT
folder
> > Please can you remove it for me
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2317 From: Rob Latham Date: 21/12/2006
Subject: APT Cover Competition
Hi All

just a reminder that the closing date is 31st December so still time to
enter !

See

http://www.apt-p.com/BuckinghamCover2006.htm

Good luck
Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2319 From: Kit Spackman Date: 01/01/2007
Subject: Tilt gospel according to Kit...
In a moment of madness over the Christmas break I took a look at the much
vaunted Wikipedia, specially with regard to APT and then tilting trains.

The APT pages aren't bad as far as they go, (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Passenger_Train ) indeed they look as
if they were written by 'one of us', were they? (How do you find out who
writes the original entries there anyway?)

However, the pages on Tilting Trains ( see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_train ) are full of assumptions,
opinions rather than facts and some of these are just plain wrong! Fiat
bought out the APT from BR to avoid the spread of the technology according
the page, what tripe!

I felt I had to put the record straight so I've spent much of this evening
doing just that in the discussion part of the page. I expect I'll be
roundly flamed but what the hell, the truth is out there somewhere.... <g>

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2320 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 01/01/2007
Subject: Re: Tilt gospel according to Kit...
One option with Wikipedia is to simply change the content yourself. I've done it a few
times with AC loco information (and I'm not even a "member"). The "following the success
of its InterCity 125" bit needs some serious modifications, for one!

O.H.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman <101453.3657@...>
wrote:
>
> In a moment of madness over the Christmas break I took a look at the much
> vaunted Wikipedia, specially with regard to APT and then tilting trains.
>
> The APT pages aren't bad as far as they go, (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Passenger_Train ) indeed they look as
> if they were written by 'one of us', were they? (How do you find out who
> writes the original entries there anyway?)
>
> However, the pages on Tilting Trains ( see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilting_train ) are full of assumptions,
> opinions rather than facts and some of these are just plain wrong! Fiat
> bought out the APT from BR to avoid the spread of the technology according
> the page, what tripe!
>
> I felt I had to put the record straight so I've spent much of this evening
> doing just that in the discussion part of the page. I expect I'll be
> roundly flamed but what the hell, the truth is out there somewhere.... <g>
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2321 From: Rob Latham Date: 04/01/2007
Subject: Buckingham Cover Comp
Hi All

the winner of the buckingham cover was D A Jones of Swansea

If you didn't win you can still buy this beautiful cover from -

http://www.buckinghamcovers.com/shop/productdisplay.lasso?
product_id=654&affiliate=apt


Thanks for entering


Rob
www.apt-p.com


PS The answer was of course Terence Cuneo
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2322 From: Rob Latham Date: 04/01/2007
Subject: APT Buckingham Cover
The URL got split in my last posting

To order goto -

http://www.apt-p.com/BuckinghamCover2006.htm

and click on the link there



Rob
www.apt-p.com
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2323 From: brookweed5 Date: 06/01/2007
Subject: APT-P Braking
First of all - I really wish I'd known about the group much earlier and
could have helped with the move to Shildon. Pushing bits of E-train
around was a common activity when the train was being put together from
time to time. There was the incident where one of the dollies derailed
outside the engineering Test Hall....

There's a statement on Wikipedia "The latter feature [HK Brakes]is
often overlooked but was in fact just as significant as the tilting
concept, because it enabled the train to stop within the existing
signal spacings. The fact that under operating conditions it failed to
do so, was one of the main factors in the train being withdrawn."

News to me - anyone with any more info on this??

Martin Collins
HK Brakes Engineer APT-E
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2324 From: Paul Leadley Date: 09/01/2007
Subject: Cab it at Locomotion, Shildon.
Hi All,
Just a quick note to say there is a Cab-It weekend (this weekend) at
Locomotion, Shildon.

APT-E is going to be open to the public and may just have a few
suprises for the interested.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, Locomotion, Shildon
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2325 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: APT-P Drawings
I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
interested??
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2326 From: Adam Warr Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Hi Martin,

Sounds great! I would be most interested in obtaining a set. Do you have
electronic copies or are they on paper?

Best Regards,
Adam Warr
Peterborough, UK
Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
My Blog: http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Collins
Sent: 10 January 2007 14:20
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings

I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
interested??


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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2327 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Adam,

I really do mean ALL of the engineering drawings - there must be
thousands of them - and they would not necessarily be free of
charge. They are the original engineering drawings plus copies on
microcard (microfilm). I thought that they might be of interest to
anyone wanting to do work on the train etc. If you could be a little
more specific about your request I might be able to hlep.

Martin (APT Hydrokinetic Brakes Development Engineer)

Best Regards,

Martin

>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Sounds great! I would be most interested in obtaining a set. Do you
have
> electronic copies or are they on paper?
>
> Best Regards,
> Adam Warr
> Peterborough, UK
> Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
> My Blog: http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin
> Collins
> Sent: 10 January 2007 14:20
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
>
> I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> interested??
>
>
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2328 From: Alan Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Oh yes. How do I get a copy? Thanks.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2329 From: James R Moody Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Martin Collins wrote:
> I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> interested??

Very much so :¬)

As Adam said, are they in paper or electronic format?

James Moody
--
aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
They see it right, they see it well | \ /
But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2330 From: Adam Warr Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Hi Martin,

I'd be interestd in overall plans for the various vehicles, with a view to
making a CAD master for an N Gauge model of the P Train.

Best Regards,
Adam Warr
Peterborough, UK
Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
My Blog: http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Collins
Sent: 10 January 2007 15:10
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings

Adam,

I really do mean ALL of the engineering drawings - there must be thousands
of them - and they would not necessarily be free of charge. They are the
original engineering drawings plus copies on microcard (microfilm). I
thought that they might be of interest to anyone wanting to do work on the
train etc. If you could be a little more specific about your request I might
be able to hlep.

Martin (APT Hydrokinetic Brakes Development Engineer)

Best Regards,

Martin

>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Sounds great! I would be most interested in obtaining a set. Do you
have
> electronic copies or are they on paper?
>
> Best Regards,
> Adam Warr
> Peterborough, UK
> Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
> <http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk>
> My Blog: http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/
> <http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Martin
> Collins
> Sent: 10 January 2007 14:20
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
>
> I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> interested??
>
>
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2331 From: Philip McGaw Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
I have access to an 36" wide scanner.....

but the only images of the APT i have are the 1980's BR loco book (as
submited)

----- Original Message -----
From: "James R Moody" <bloodnok@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings


> Martin Collins wrote:
>> I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
>> interested??
>
> Very much so :¬)
>
> As Adam said, are they in paper or electronic format?
>
> James Moody
> --
> aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
> ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
> http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
> No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
> Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
> They see it right, they see it well | \ /
> But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2332 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Adam,

OK - I'm can start the search for them next week (Monday) and I'll
let you know how easy that might be.

Martin

>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I'd be interestd in overall plans for the various vehicles, with a
view to
> making a CAD master for an N Gauge model of the P Train.
>
> Best Regards,
> Adam Warr
> Peterborough, UK
> Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
> My Blog: http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin
> Collins
> Sent: 10 January 2007 15:10
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
>
> Adam,
>
> I really do mean ALL of the engineering drawings - there must be
thousands
> of them - and they would not necessarily be free of charge. They
are the
> original engineering drawings plus copies on microcard (microfilm).
I
> thought that they might be of interest to anyone wanting to do work
on the
> train etc. If you could be a little more specific about your
request I might
> be able to hlep.
>
> Martin (APT Hydrokinetic Brakes Development Engineer)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Martin
>
> >
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > Sounds great! I would be most interested in obtaining a set. Do
you
> have
> > electronic copies or are they on paper?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Adam Warr
> > Peterborough, UK
> > Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
> > <http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk>
> > My Blog: http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/
> > <http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> Martin
> > Collins
> > Sent: 10 January 2007 14:20
> > To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
> >
> > I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> > interested??
> >
> >
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2333 From: Martin Collins Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
James,

They are the original engineering drawings plus copies on
microcard (microfilm) - and there are thousands of them! Anyonme
wanting a copy needs to be fairly specific about what they are
looking for.....
>
> Martin Collins wrote:
> > I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> > interested??
>
> Very much so :¬)
>
> As Adam said, are they in paper or electronic format?
>
> James Moody
> --
> aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
> ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
> http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
> No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
> Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
> They see it right, they see it well | \ /
> But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2334 From: James R Moody Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Adam Warr wrote:

> Martin Collins Wrote:
>
>> I really do mean ALL of the engineering drawings - there must be thousands
>> of them - and they would not necessarily be free of charge. They are the
>> original engineering drawings plus copies on microcard (microfilm). I
>> thought that they might be of interest to anyone wanting to do work on the
>> train etc. If you could be a little more specific about your request I might
>> be able to hlep.
>
> I'd be interestd in overall plans for the various vehicles, with a view to
> making a CAD master for an N Gauge model of the P Train.

Ooh, now that sounds very interesting indeed. Wonder if I could wedge a
9 or 10 car set on my current layout - be a very tight fit, but
mmmmmnice :¬)

Hell, a decent model of P-Train would change my plans for the next
layout, I think I'll be creating a 2mm scale lump of WCML if that happens.
(Thinks: Wonder just what part of history I can twist to get a P train
and an E* running next to each other...)

On the subject of diagrams, I'd be interested in bogie and bodyshell
diagrams, as reference material for a 3D model of P train I'm making for
a simulator. Screenshots of the model so far are here:
http://www.vsr.org.uk/?projectid=6 (apologies to people who have already
seen these old shots - I've been working on other things recently, like
a set of freightliner flats which are almost finished...)

James Moody
--
aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
They see it right, they see it well | \ /
But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2335 From: Andi Dell Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
I'd be after the general arrangements of each vehicle, and especially
anything of the pantograph

Andi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Martin Collins
> Sent: 10 January 2007 23:11
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
>
>
> James,
>
> They are the original engineering drawings plus copies on
> microcard (microfilm) - and there are thousands of them! Anyonme
> wanting a copy needs to be fairly specific about what they are
> looking for.....
> >
> > Martin Collins wrote:
> > > I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> > > interested??
> >
> > Very much so :¬)
> >
> > As Adam said, are they in paper or electronic format?
> >
> > James Moody
> > --
> > aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
> > ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
> > http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
> > No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
> > Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
> > They see it right, they see it well | \ /
> > But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2336 From: Andi Dell Date: 10/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
I'd like a copy if possible

Anything I can get would then be passed onto the historical officer and
drawings service of DEMU

Andi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Philip McGaw
> Sent: 10 January 2007 21:41
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
>
>
> I have access to an 36" wide scanner.....
>
> but the only images of the APT i have are the 1980's BR loco book (as
> submited)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James R Moody" <bloodnok@...>
> To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
>
>
> > Martin Collins wrote:
> >> I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> >> interested??
> >
> > Very much so :¬)
> >
> > As Adam said, are they in paper or electronic format?
> >
> > James Moody
> > --
> > aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
> > ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
> > http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
> > No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
> > Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
> > They see it right, they see it well | \ /
> > But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2337 From: James R Moody Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Andi Dell wrote:
> I'd be after the general arrangements of each vehicle, and especially
> anything of the pantograph

Mmmh, yes, something showing the original pantograph would be most
enlightening. I got what I think is about halfway through building the
mesh for that, and then got very very confused...

James Moody
--
aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
They see it right, they see it well | \ /
But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2338 From: Paul Rowlinson Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings

All

 

There was some drawings published in Railnews many years ago that were subsequently then published in an Ian Allan book of such drawings. I don’t know what scale they are but I am sure it could be worked out and changed electronically. I have a copy of the book and a copy of the original Railnews article. I am sure these would be acceptable for an N gauge model.

 

I also have 4mm drawing of APT-E

 

Regards

 

Paul Rowlinson

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andi Dell
Sent: 10 January 2007 23:26
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings

 

I'd be after the general arrangements of each vehicle, and especially
anything of the pantograph

Andi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Advanced-Passenger- Train@yahoogroup s.com
> [mailto:Advanced-Passenger- Train@yahoogroup s.com]
On Behalf
> Of Martin Collins
> Sent: 10 January 2007 23:11
> To: Advanced-Passenger- Train@yahoogroup s.com
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> APT-P Drawings
>
>
> James,
>
> They are the original engineering drawings plus copies on
> microcard (microfilm) - and there are thousands of them! Anyonme
> wanting a copy needs to be fairly specific about what they are
> looking for.....
> >
> > Martin Collins wrote:
> > > I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> > > interested??
> >
> > Very much so :¬)
> >
> > As Adam said, are they in paper or electronic format?
> >
> > James Moody
> > --
> > aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
> > ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
> > http://www.vsr. org.uk | \
\___/ /
> > No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
> > Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
> > They see it right, they see it well | \ /
> > But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2339 From: Wayne Marshall Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
There were a full set of stock diagram type drawings published in
voi.1 no.5 May 1980 Model Trains (by Airfix). As well as the diagrams
there were cutaways, schematics and also info. on formations, both
real and proposed. Enough info to upgrade the Hornby or build an N
gauge model.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2340 From: Adam Warr Date: 11/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
If anybody has a scan of these drawings, I'd be most interested :-)


Best Regards,
Adam Warr
Peterborough, UK
Website: http://www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
My Blog: http://captainelectra.blogspot.com/

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2342 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: P and E Train together?
James,

>(Thinks: Wonder just what part of history I can twist to get a P train
>and an E* running next to each other...)

You'd need to change geography as well. There is NO way E-Train would ever
run 'under the wires', they would melt with 10 turbine exhausts blasting
them!

I suppose in a perfect world Rob could have got P-Train #3 running again,
and Paul and Co. could have persuaded NR to let us run E-Train out of
Shildon after someone gave us a couple of million, but we'd still need a
line with only one set of wires.....

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2343 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: Re: P and E Train together?
I think E* refers to Eurostar, rather than E=train...

In which case, the twist of history would be that the powers that be didn't give up on P-train,
and the rakes were incorporated into the production fleet somehow...

Ah dreams!

O.H.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman <101453.3657@...>
wrote:
>
> James,
>
> >(Thinks: Wonder just what part of history I can twist to get a P train
> >and an E* running next to each other...)
>
> You'd need to change geography as well. There is NO way E-Train would ever
> run 'under the wires', they would melt with 10 turbine exhausts blasting
> them!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2345 From: James R Moody Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: Re: Re: P and E Train together?
Owen Hodgson wrote:
> I think E* refers to Eurostar, rather than E-train...

Yup :¬)

> In which case, the twist of history would be that the powers that be
> didn't give up on P-train, and the rakes were incorporated into the
> production fleet somehow...

I was thinking something along the lines of a regional Eurostar service
to (say) Birmingham, with APT-P still in service running fast WCML turns.

Requires two rather unlikely twists to reality - P train remaining in
service, and regional Eurostar services actually happening.

And a third twist, to avoid the obvious consequence of these two things
- that further high speed tilt stock (whether that's APT-S or something
else) would have been built, and thus for pathing reasons regional
Eurostar trainsets would require tilt capability to run on the WCML.
(Tilt capability would radically alter the appearance).

James Moody
--
aka: Major Denis Bloodnok | (¯\
ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
They see it right, they see it well | \ /
But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2346 From: David Halfpenny Date: 12/01/2007
Subject: Fw: P and E Train together?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kit Spackman" <101453.3657@...>
>
>>There is NO way E-Train would ever
> run 'under the wires', they would melt with 10 turbine exhausts blasting
> them!
>
>
> I know it's a red herring Kit, but I do recall a conversation about
> E-train going under the wire. The upshot was that it just gave everything
> a good clean.
>
> What I can't remember is whether such a run ever took place, or whether
> it was hypothetical.
>
> Did the exhaust ever do any damage? Eg to gricers on overbridges?
>
> David 1/2d
> Mechanical Design
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2347 From: Kit Spackman Date: 13/01/2007
Subject: E Train under the wires
David,

> I know it's a red herring Kit, but I do recall a conversation about
> E-train going under the wire. The upshot was that it just gave everything
a good clean.<
>
> What I can't remember is whether such a run ever took place, or whether
> it was hypothetical.

I can't recall that and I was on it for most of it's travels. Martin
Collins and I were discussing that at Shildon earlier today, and the only
time that may have been possible was on the way to or from Old Oak Common
for the high speed runs. I don't know that bit of BR London that well, but
I don't think there were any wires there.

> Did the exhaust ever do any damage? Eg to gricers on overbridges?

On the middle week of the high speed runs, I was being a 'gricer', taking
photos of the train up and down the Western Region line. On at least two
occasions I deliberately stood right above the running line (idiot or
what???) and it was just like standing in front of a BIG fan heater for a
short while. But standing on a bridge I was a lot further away than any 25
kV wires would have been.

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2348 From: David Halfpenny Date: 14/01/2007
Subject: Re: E Train under the wires
Thanks Kit.

There are wires south of Bedford of course.

I remember BR had to compensate someone for melted synthetic trousers once,
but that was just a DMU underseat heater doing what it was told.

David 1/2d

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kit Spackman" <101453.3657@...>
To: "APT Yahoo Group" <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: <APT Group> E Train under the wires


David,

> I know it's a red herring Kit, but I do recall a conversation about
> E-train going under the wire. The upshot was that it just gave everything
a good clean.<
>
> What I can't remember is whether such a run ever took place, or whether
> it was hypothetical.

I can't recall that and I was on it for most of it's travels. Martin
Collins and I were discussing that at Shildon earlier today, and the only
time that may have been possible was on the way to or from Old Oak Common
for the high speed runs. I don't know that bit of BR London that well, but
I don't think there were any wires there.

> Did the exhaust ever do any damage? Eg to gricers on overbridges?

On the middle week of the high speed runs, I was being a 'gricer', taking
photos of the train up and down the Western Region line. On at least two
occasions I deliberately stood right above the running line (idiot or
what???) and it was just like standing in front of a BIG fan heater for a
short while. But standing on a bridge I was a lot further away than any 25
kV wires would have been.

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2349 From: Paul Leadley Date: 14/01/2007
Subject: Cab-it Report for Locomotion.
Hi All,
Just posted the cab-it report for 13th January up at Shildon.

http://www.apt-e.org/revisit/revisit.htm

Hope you enjoy.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, Locomotion, Shildon
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2350 From: Kit Spackman Date: 14/01/2007
Subject: E Train under the wires
David,

>There are wires south of Bedford of course.<

There are now, yes, but there weren't in 1975.

They still had the diesel-hydraulic DMUs running on that route back then.

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2351 From: pedromorgan Date: 15/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Hello there

I have just looked back at this forum and have just seen the drawings
thread! wonderfull.

I am after drawings of the hatches along the dottom of each coach.
Dimensioned drawings of the power cars and trailers.

And any details of coaches that were never built.

Is ot possible to get acess to them to see what you have.

I am looking to do a 4MM scale model of the P-train and have already
done conciderable prep work but there are some dimensions that i
simply dont have.

where are you based?

Can i arrange a visit?

Peter
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2352 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 19/01/2007
Subject: APT-P in BR blue!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2353 From: keelar001 Date: 23/01/2007
Subject: APT Drivers Manual Available
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Drivers-Manuals-BR-Class-90-and-BR-Class-370-
APT_W0QQitemZ250076559128QQihZ015QQcategoryZ1445QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?
hash=item250076559128

Boys, wanted to let you all know I'm selling this on eBay. Would like
to see it go to a good home...

Cheers!
Steve
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2354 From: Group Owner Date: 28/01/2007
Subject: ADMIN: Message delays
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2355 From: max.walrus Date: 29/01/2007
Subject: Re: APT-P Drawings
Martin

have you any more news on how to access these drawings

MAX


> I have access to the complete set of drawings for APT-P - anyone
> interested??
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2356 From: Simon Argyle Date: 30/01/2007
Subject: Discussion Topic - APT-E/Rolls Royce Dart GT
Probably one for Kit but as a matter of interest... In terms of train performance, running and
fuel consumption, how would the Rolls Royce Dart Gas Turbine have compared to the Leyland
units had BR opted to go down this route with APT-E?

Simon
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2357 From: Paul Leadley Date: 02/02/2007
Subject: Re: Discussion Topic - APT-E/Rolls Royce Dart GT
Hi Simon,
I looked into this very question a few years ago.
The Rolls Royce Dart produced about 3400 hp , but would have taken up
90% of the powercars as they stand now. E train would have gone like
a rocket with two darts fitted. Fuel consumption would have been
about the same as for the ten leyland turbines, as far as I have been
able to research.

The darts were not used in the end as Rolls Royce didnt want to get
involved with railway development, a real shame!

If anyone else know better, I too would love to hear from them.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Argyle"
<simonargyle@...> wrote:
>
> Probably one for Kit but as a matter of interest... In terms of
train performance, running and
> fuel consumption, how would the Rolls Royce Dart Gas Turbine have
compared to the Leyland
> units had BR opted to go down this route with APT-E?
>
> Simon
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2358 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 02/02/2007
Subject: APT Publicity Material (free download)
Just found a site (The Railways Archive) which has APT publicity material available to download absolutely free of charge!
 
 
There are seven documents available to download.
 
Enjoy!
Andy
 
 
 
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2359 From: Andrew Appleton Date: 04/02/2007
Subject: Hornby APT video
I've just been browsing through the many videos on YouTube and found this one:
 
 
Andy
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2360 From: David Halfpenny Date: 05/02/2007
Subject: Re: Hornby APT video
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Appleton" <APT370@...>

I've just been browsing through the many videos on YouTube and found this
one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8FU7_Z9znc

:-) Thanks, wish I'd bought one!

David 1/2d
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2361 From: Alan Date: 05/02/2007
Subject: Re: Hornby APT video