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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2007 From: aptdiss Date: 09/12/2005
Subject: HELP REQUIRED!!!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2008 From: Max Peterson Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: APT DVD
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2009 From: Paul Rowlinson Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: APT DVD
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2010 From: Rob Latham Date: 13/12/2005
Subject: APT Video
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2011 From: Alan Date: 14/12/2005
Subject: HST2 - Son of HST
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2012 From: Steve Foxon Date: 14/12/2005
Subject: Re: APT Video
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2013 From: Wayne Marshall Date: 14/12/2005
Subject: Re: HST2 - Son of HST
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2014 From: Andy Appleton Date: 22/12/2005
Subject: Ultimate Trains
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2015 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/12/2005
Subject: 'Merry Christmas' from the group owner
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2016 From: Andy Appleton Date: 25/12/2005
Subject: (ADMIN) Yahoo! Groups Maintenance
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2017 From: Andy Appleton Date: 01/01/2006
Subject: APT-P driving instructions for sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2018 From: Alan Date: 02/01/2006
Subject: Hornby Pendolino!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2019 From: Alan Date: 04/01/2006
Subject: APT Bible for sale on eBay
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2020 From: Alan Date: 21/01/2006
Subject: Another APT Bible for sale.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2021 From: John Wood Date: 25/01/2006
Subject: APT story DVD for sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2022 From: Andy Appleton Date: 05/02/2006
Subject: APT-P in RAIL magazine
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2023 From: Andy Appleton Date: 05/02/2006
Subject: APT-P photos by Neil Heaton
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2024 From: John Wood Date: 06/02/2006
Subject: NRM Shildon power car repaint?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2025 From: Kit Spackman Date: 07/02/2006
Subject: Shildon P-Train Power Car
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2026 From: Paul Leadley Date: 07/02/2006
Subject: Re: Shildon P-Train Power Car
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2027 From: Kit Spackman Date: 08/02/2006
Subject: Missing drawing?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2028 From: Paul Leadley Date: 08/02/2006
Subject: Re: Missing drawing?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2029 From: Paul Rowlinson Date: 09/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Missing drawing?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2030 From: Kit Spackman Date: 09/02/2006
Subject: P train non-artic coach
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2031 From: Andy Appleton Date: 10/02/2006
Subject: APT Story Video For Sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2032 From: Paul Leadley Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: APT-E Shildon Film
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2033 From: Howard Sprenger Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2034 From: Howard Sprenger Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2035 From: Paul Leadley Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2036 From: Andy Appleton Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2037 From: Paul Leadley Date: 16/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2038 From: Kit Spackman Date: 17/02/2006
Subject: NRM Reply
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2039 From: Paul Leadley Date: 17/02/2006
Subject: Re: NRM Reply
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2040 From: Simon Argyle Date: 18/02/2006
Subject: NRM
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2041 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 18/02/2006
Subject: ACLG vs APT Groups (was NRM)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2042 From: snyepsp Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2043 From: Rob Latham Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2044 From: snyepsp Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2045 From: James R Moody Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2046 From: Gerry Bates Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2047 From: Ian Ellis Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them / APT Group?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2048 From: James R Moody Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2049 From: Ian Ellis Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2050 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT Group?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2051 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2052 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT Group?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2053 From: Alan Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2054 From: James Moody Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2055 From: James R Moody Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2056 From: James R Moody Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t


Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2007 From: aptdiss Date: 09/12/2005
Subject: HELP REQUIRED!!!
Hey guys - just another favour to ask...

Am on my final chapter now, regarding the intervention of the
government and the media. If anyone has any comments or information
they feel I should know regarding the government and the media in
terms of the APT-P, please contact me. Obviously, you will be fully
referenced as part of my project.

Thanks for your help,

Ben Goodwin
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2008 From: Max Peterson Date: 11/12/2005
Subject: Re: APT DVD
Hi,
 
If you release the proposed APT DVD then I for  would be the  first in the queue to purchase. Please add my email address to your mailing list.
 
Peter Max

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2009 From: Paul Rowlinson Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: APT DVD
Me too!


-----Original Message-----

If you release the proposed APT DVD then I for would be the first in the queue to purchase. Please add my email address to your mailing list.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2010 From: Rob Latham Date: 13/12/2005
Subject: APT Video
These BCL videos are like buses - now there is a third one for sale
at eBay - how much will this one fetch ??

See

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAL-Video-Trains-BTF-The-APT-Story-2-Short-
Films_W0QQitemZ6463185533QQcategoryZ60959QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
ViewItem


Rob
www.apt-p.com
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2011 From: Alan Date: 14/12/2005
Subject: HST2 - Son of HST
One individual's idea of how HST2 might look:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/mc762/HST2.jpg

Looks vaguely familiar.


A few sites are asking whether HST2 should tilt or not. A nice little
article by interfleet (?) can be read here:

http://www.interfleet.co.uk/Features/FeaturesIndex.asp?
IDSection=33&IDNewsArticle=41
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2012 From: Steve Foxon Date: 14/12/2005
Subject: Re: APT Video
Hi Rob,

I bet this one goes for about �60 - �100max. I think after the fuss that was
caused people will see that it is not worth it. I also think that now people
know that the dvd versions will be available they will all try and sell
their yellow vhs's in the hope of �200!!
Madness!

Steve



>From: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
>Reply-To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
>To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: <APT Group> APT Video
>Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:42:41 -0000
>
>These BCL videos are like buses - now there is a third one for sale
>at eBay - how much will this one fetch ??
>
>See
>
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAL-Video-Trains-BTF-The-APT-Story-2-Short-
>Films_W0QQitemZ6463185533QQcategoryZ60959QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ
>ViewItem
>
>
>Rob
>www.apt-p.com
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2013 From: Wayne Marshall Date: 14/12/2005
Subject: Re: HST2 - Son of HST
Hmm - perhaps it also has HK brakes ;)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2014 From: Andy Appleton Date: 22/12/2005
Subject: Ultimate Trains
'Ultimate Trains' is on the 'Discovery Wings' channel tonight at 9pm, sorry for the short notice!

It's all about 'ultimate' trains including the APT-P and tilting trains from other parts of the world.

Enjoy!
Andy

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2015 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/12/2005
Subject: 'Merry Christmas' from the group owner
Hello everyone,
 
I would like to wish every member a very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. I would also like to thank you all for supporting the group - cheers!
 
Best Wishes,
Andy
(Group Owner)
 
 
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2016 From: Andy Appleton Date: 25/12/2005
Subject: (ADMIN) Yahoo! Groups Maintenance
Yahoo! Groups will be performing critical database maintenance this week. During this maintenance work, 25% of groups will be offline. Messages sent to affected groups during this interval will be queued and delivered once the groups are back online.

The work is currently scheduled for Tuesday night, December 27th, from 9:00 PM until 2:00 AM Wednesday morning Pacific time (Wednesday morning 5:00-10:00 AM GMT). However, there is a chance it may need to be delayed until later in the week.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2017 From: Andy Appleton Date: 01/01/2006
Subject: APT-P driving instructions for sale
APT-P driving instructions for sale:
 
 
Take Care,
Andy
 
P.S  Happy New Year!!!!!
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2018 From: Alan Date: 02/01/2006
Subject: Hornby Pendolino!
Hornby will be producing a Pendolino for 2006:

"Hornby is also pleased to be offering Virgin Train's premier multiple
unit - the Pendolino. Designed to tilt around curves, the prototype
Pendolino can corner up to 20% faster giving a top speed of 125mph on
routes from London Euston to the Midlands and West Scotland. Hornby's
train pack will allow the modeller to form a basic unit, with further
coaches planned for 2007."
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2019 From: Alan Date: 04/01/2006
Subject: APT Bible for sale on eBay
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2020 From: Alan Date: 21/01/2006
Subject: Another APT Bible for sale.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2021 From: John Wood Date: 25/01/2006
Subject: APT story DVD for sale
Hello all,

I have found a copy of the APT story on DVD for sale at Ebay. I'm 99.9% sure
this is an illegal copy (bootleg) from an original VHS tape. If I remember
correctly a member of this group has connections at BTF, so please feel free
to contact Ebay to get this auction cancelled.

Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6031697151

Good bye,
John

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2022 From: Andy Appleton Date: 05/02/2006
Subject: APT-P in RAIL magazine
Ii've just picked up a copy of the curent issue of RAIL & found a full two page spread all about the APT!!!!!!!

It starts off with... “Two decades after the Advanced Passenger Train was axed, the West Coast finally has tilting trains - which owe much to their precursor. Pip Dunn looks back at how the APT was killed off by media cynicism and ever-tightening BR budgets.”

Take Care,
Andy

P.S I'd scan it & post a copy but a) I don't have a scanner & b) it's against the law!

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2023 From: Andy Appleton Date: 05/02/2006
Subject: APT-P photos by Neil Heaton
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2024 From: John Wood Date: 06/02/2006
Subject: NRM Shildon power car repaint?
Hello everyone,

Has the APT-P power car at Shildon been repainted yet? If not, will it be
repainted/restored to it's former glory in the near future?

Thank you,
John

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2025 From: Kit Spackman Date: 07/02/2006
Subject: Shildon P-Train Power Car
John,

>Has the APT-P power car at Shildon been repainted yet? If not, will it be
>repainted/restored to it's former glory in the near future?<

Not to my knowledge. While the NRM headquarters continue to treat Shildon
like a 'third world museum' there's little hope I'd say. Shildon still has
no workshop area after more than a year of promises, that's what the
stumbling block is over further work on E-Train. Without some sort of
workshop facility no-one can do anything up there.

The P-Train car will need more than a re-paint mind you. When Paul and I
walked through it (when we'd delivered E-Train) it was in a terrible state,
corrosion everywhere, large panels fallen off inside the vehicle, rubbish
all over the place etc etc. Just what you'd expect with 20 years of neglect
of course.

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2026 From: Paul Leadley Date: 07/02/2006
Subject: Re: Shildon P-Train Power Car
Hi All,
What Kit says, is sadly correct. I send an email once a month to
Anthony up at Shildon, and the reply is always the same, we, if, maybe!

Its not Anthonys fault, the NRM (York) are the problem as normal.

As for the P train powercar, its standing on the row they (NRM Shildon
staff) call, "scrap row" so that should tell us everything. Just
look at the other stock stored on that line, OH DEAR!

And as Kit says, the inside is wrecked, looks a bit like the inside of
PC1.

On another note, I have just won the auction for a missing E train
drawing, so it can be placed back in safe keeping. I will let you
know what its for, when it arrives, although it does say APT-E Coach
Bulk head on it??? Thanks to Rob for pointing the auction out to me,
cheers.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, Shildon.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2027 From: Kit Spackman Date: 08/02/2006
Subject: Missing drawing?
Paul,

>On another note, I have just won the auction for a missing E train
>drawing, so it can be placed back in safe keeping. I will let you
>know what its for, when it arrives, although it does say APT-E Coach
>Bulk head on it??? <

How did it come to be missing? Was this on Ebay?

Maybe if we have to take one of the TC Tilt packs out we can use the drg.
to make a new bulkhead when we wreck the old one removing
it.................. <g>

Well done anyway Paul, I hope it wasn't too expensive.

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2028 From: Paul Leadley Date: 08/02/2006
Subject: Re: Missing drawing?
Hi Kit,
Yes, it was on Ebay, Rob sent me an email about it. It must have
come straight from the RTC or (most likely, whipped from the NRM at
some point).

As we done have many (if any) drawings about the trailer coaches, I
did think we must have it. Got it for £5.0 inc postage so it was
ok.

Im trying to get hold of the film the NRM used to promote an
application for lottery funding to build Shildon. It used a lot of
shots of E train and somber music to get the message accross. I
think Richard showed it to the group on our first meeting, or second.

Ive asked to reproduce it and place it on the website, with a new
section I am working. Ive also started work on a complete re-build
of the E train site, now my web skills are better.

Kit, have you looked at the latest update pictures on Robs site, the
un-articulated P train coach features.

Regards

Paul
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2029 From: Paul Rowlinson Date: 09/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Missing drawing?

HI All

 

This correspondence served to remind me that I have amongst my treasured possessions a number of copies of APT-E drawings obtained by me in the early 1980’s to support the construction of a 4mm model.

 

Looking through the pack last night it seems I have the following

 

X/APD/D2846 (2 sheets – E1 bogie

X/APD- D5600 (2 sheets) E1T bogie.

These were provided by the British Rail Research dept who were most helpful at the time. They had no other drawings as these had by then gone to the NRM who were approached but who were most unhelpful. After a terse exchange of communication I eventually received copies of the following

OAPD – D6126 GA of TC2

OAPD – D6125 GA of TC1

No drawings of the power cars could be found. I then contacted Metropolitan Cammell (I still have the reply) who confirmed that they had passed all drawings back to BR after they had build the power cars.

Approaches to the Railway Magazine elicited copies of the SA bogie drawings that had presumably been provided by BR at the time as part of news releases. Notwithstanding I did not have any PC drawing, with the information I had at the time, a 4mm drawing was eventually produced by my brother and which I would be happy to copy for anyone who wanted it. It consists of a side and end view only.

Then some years later by what seems to be a sheer fluke, I was at the Heathcote Model Railway Society show at Barrow on Soar and came across tucked away in a pile of old magazines and papers, a 1/20 copy of O/APD/D 6130, a GA copy of the Power Car which also has some sectional cut ways. The copy I have is clearly a modification and is dated July 1973. I have a suspicion it may be a copy of one of the drawings that was used to produce the full size as the modifications, which did not seem to copy well consist of what appear to be stuck on extras. I have no idea how it came to be for sale at this place but I snapped it up for a couple of quid. There was also a copy of APD/D 3001 joint module

As far as the model was concerned, construction never got far but I did start to make a set of SA bogies, until I found out they only got used once! I even had some castings made up for the axle boxes and had a vague notion I could make them work realistically. The PC bodies were to be made in plasticard and I had a notion of heavy modification of Hornby APT – P bodies for the trailers. I had also thought about mounting the cars on pin point mountings in the car roof with a very low centre of gravity in order to permit a passive tilt system but in practice in hindsight this would probably have not worked. In the meantime I built from a carved up Hornby HST power car set and Jouef coaches, a good quality HST prototype. This was long before the days of the Gemini kit and Hurst overlays. I had visions of recreating in 4mm the classic photo of the APT-E and HST standing at Swindon that featured on the cover of the magazines at the time.

In the meantime I have sold most of my 4mm stock (I kept the HST) and moved up to 7mm. I still have a hankering after building APT – E in O scale which would make an impressive model. In my mind I have rehearsed how I would construct the bodies but the bogies are somewhat more of a challenge. Having said that the increased space might well permit the design of an electric tilt mechanism. Oh well dream on!

 

Paul Rowlinson (fairly new member to group)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Leadley
Sent: 08 February 2006 13:41
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> Re: Missing drawing?

 

Hi Kit,
Yes, it was on Ebay, Rob sent me an email about it.  It must have
come straight from the RTC or (most likely, whipped from the NRM at
some point).

As we done have many (if any) drawings about the trailer coaches, I
did think we must have it.   Got it for £5.0 inc postage so it was
ok.

Im trying to get hold of the film the NRM used to promote an
application for lottery funding to build Shildon.  It used a lot of
shots of E train and somber music to get the message accross.   I
think Richard showed it to the group on our first meeting, or second.

Ive asked to reproduce it and place it on the website, with a new
section I am working.  Ive also started work on a complete re-build
of the E train site, now my web skills are better.

Kit, have you looked at the latest update pictures on Robs site, the
un-articulated P train coach features.

Regards

Paul







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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2030 From: Kit Spackman Date: 09/02/2006
Subject: P train non-artic coach
Paul,

£5.00 sounds like money well spent. It probably cost BR more than that to
have drawn!

Lots of those drgs. went to the NRM after E-Train went, mainly thanks to
Mary, who was effectively running the Registry in those days. When anything
E-Train related arrived labelled for scrapping, she bundled them all
together and shipped them to York in bundles............ <g>

>Kit, have you looked at the latest update pictures on Robs site, the
>un-articulated P train coach features.<

No, but I will do directly!

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2031 From: Andy Appleton Date: 10/02/2006
Subject: APT Story Video For Sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2032 From: Paul Leadley Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: APT-E Shildon Film
Hi all,
As you may know I asked the NRM for a copy of the promotional film
they used to get Lottery funding for Shildon.

Ive just had a reply after been sent around the houses for two weeks.

"NO" they dont feel it would be in the interest of the NRM.

I have just sent this reply.

Hello Chris,
Thanks for you reply.

I have to say, I am very very disappointed with your descision, can
I ask for your reason behind this.

Everybody knows why and how the train got into the state is was in,
and after many years the NRM did something about it. Surely this
would be a good for the NRM to show why they needed Locomotion!, and
what the train lookds like now, and what also can still be done.

I also have to say, the NRM as a whole, has not really helped the
support group in any form over the year. The time given by members
of the team has been vast and we have had little or no help from the
NRM. I pestered Richard from 1996 onwards to do something about the
train, and in the end, he could see we could do something.

When I started the group in 2000, a lot was promissed, by we have
had none of the prommised support, now the train is up a Shildon,
(of which it wouldnt have made the journey in one piece with myself
and Kit Spackmans help) the lack of a workshop has put a stop to
completing the project, a workshop was part of the NRM bid, so is it
not there!

My support for the restoration of the train is still as it always
has been, but at present, I feel like pulling the plug, which would
be a great shame after all the work that has been done and all the
good things we could only given the time and rescources we need. I
bet a steam engine restoration would be sorted out as I know for a
fact many in the NRM always hated the E train.

If you look at the website, I dont give the NRM any bad press, nor
would I want to, showing the film would at least set the record
straight.

Please re-consider.

Regards

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group.

I dont expect much from them, but as always, anything to do with the
APT (forget it).

Regards

A very very unhappy, Paul
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2033 From: Howard Sprenger Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
> "NO" they dont feel it would be in the interest of the NRM.
>
> I have just sent this reply.
>
> Hello Chris,
> Thanks for you reply.
>
> I have to say, I am very very disappointed with your descision, can
> I ask for your reason behind this.
>
> Everybody knows why and how the train got into the state is was in,
> and after many years the NRM did something about it. Surely this
> would be a good for the NRM to show why they needed Locomotion!, and
> what the train lookds like now, and what also can still be done.
>
> I also have to say, the NRM as a whole, has not really helped the
> support group in any form over the year. The time given by members
> of the team has been vast and we have had little or no help from the
> NRM. I pestered Richard from 1996 onwards to do something about the
> train, and in the end, he could see we could do something.
>
> When I started the group in 2000, a lot was promissed, by we have
> had none of the prommised support, now the train is up a Shildon,
> (of which it wouldnt have made the journey in one piece with myself
> and Kit Spackmans help) the lack of a workshop has put a stop to
> completing the project, a workshop was part of the NRM bid, so is it
> not there!
>
> My support for the restoration of the train is still as it always
> has been, but at present, I feel like pulling the plug, which would
> be a great shame after all the work that has been done and all the
> good things we could only given the time and rescources we need. I
> bet a steam engine restoration would be sorted out as I know for a
> fact many in the NRM always hated the E train.
>
> If you look at the website, I dont give the NRM any bad press, nor
> would I want to, showing the film would at least set the record
> straight.
>
> Please re-consider.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Leadley
> APT-E Conservation & Support Group.
>
> I dont expect much from them, but as always, anything to do with the
> APT (forget it).
>
> Regards
>
> A very very unhappy, Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2034 From: Howard Sprenger Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
> "NO" they dont feel it would be in the interest of the NRM.

I know it's rather fashionable to "knock" the NRM. I've done so in the past
(not here) and been ticked off for my pains, but I really don't think they
help themselves.

They give every impression of running the place for their own benefit and
no-one else's, despite the fact that they are funded completely by you, me
and all the other tax payers in the land. You might have seen recently that
they refused to let "Flying Scotsman" be used for Bill McAlpine's 70th
birthday bash on the grounds it was due to start its overhaul. Everyone
else agreed that a week or two wouldn't have made any difference, but they
had made their decision and that was it - never mind the part McAlpine
played in getting it back to the UK.

Good luck with it, but until the powers that be remember that they are
accountable to *us*, I fear you'll be wasting your time.

Howard.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2035 From: Paul Leadley Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
Hi Howard,
I dont make a rule to knock the NRM, but after all the hard work put
in by the team, I feel they could really do something to help with
our project.

I am just so frustrated by the lack of help the NRM offer with
anything E train / apt releated. I am at the point, I really dont
care what they think now, its a real shame that all our efforts to
save E train for the National could come to nothing. At least its
under cover now I suppose. The train could be display so much
better and we really should be proud to have the first active
tilting train, and Britains fastest none electric train, they cannot
even get that right on the public information boards. Lordy, I have
tried and tried to get them to correct the information displayed.

I live in hope.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Sprenger"
<hsprenger@...> wrote:
>
> > "NO" they dont feel it would be in the interest of the NRM.
>
> I know it's rather fashionable to "knock" the NRM. I've done so
in the past
> (not here) and been ticked off for my pains, but I really don't
think they
> help themselves.
>
> They give every impression of running the place for their own
benefit and
> no-one else's, despite the fact that they are funded completely by
you, me
> and all the other tax payers in the land. You might have seen
recently that
> they refused to let "Flying Scotsman" be used for Bill McAlpine's
70th
> birthday bash on the grounds it was due to start its overhaul.
Everyone
> else agreed that a week or two wouldn't have made any difference,
but they
> had made their decision and that was it - never mind the part
McAlpine
> played in getting it back to the UK.
>
> Good luck with it, but until the powers that be remember that they
are
> accountable to *us*, I fear you'll be wasting your time.
>
> Howard.
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2036 From: Andy Appleton Date: 15/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
I'll keep my personal thoughts about the NRM to myself otherwise I may end up in court! The NRM is a joke when it comes to archiving modern traction & should be ashamed of itself. It should change it's name to the NSM (National Steam Museum).
 
Good luck Paul - may the force be with you!
Andy
 
 
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2037 From: Paul Leadley Date: 16/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT-E Shildon Film
Hi all, this is the latest reply from the NRM.

Paul
Just a note to further explain the APTE decision.
The video was specifically shot to
demonstrate that the APT was at risk while housed outside, before the
construction of Locomotion, and that it therefore concentrated on some
of the worst aspects of the vehicle. Therefore, if we do release the
footage for public consumption we'd rather do this later to show it in
'before' and 'after' condition, when the APT has stabilised from being
stored inside and conservation has progressed.
Hope that this explains things better

Cheers

Chris

I totally understand what Chris is on about, but the train looks
miles better now, and, if the E train group doesnt continue with
restoration, I doubt the NRM will ever do anymore to her, so Chris's
last "before" and "AFTER" will never happen.

If only I could have won the Euro 110 million, I would have purchased
her, bugger.

Cheers

Paul
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2038 From: Kit Spackman Date: 17/02/2006
Subject: NRM Reply
>.......we'd rather do this later to show it in 'before' and 'after'
condition, when the >APT has stabilised from being stored inside and
conservation has >progressed.<

Stabilised? The only stabilising that went on was done BEFORE the move to
Shildon and outside at that! And the NRM itself had precious little to do
with it!

And what 'conservation' has there been to 'progress'? The only changes to
E-Train since it was installed at Shildon was the removal of some of the
anti-tilt blocks, which luckily I spotted during an un-announced visit and
pointed out to them the error of their ways. Otherwise NOTHING has happened
at all in over a year.

I'd rather like to hear the NRM's response to that.............

Regards
Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2039 From: Paul Leadley Date: 17/02/2006
Subject: Re: NRM Reply
Hi all,
The NRM have said it will not change its mind, so thats that.
Im not sure there is anything else I (we) could do change its mind,
so much for support to none steam projects.

The whole reaosn I wanted to put the film on the site, was to show,
like they said, before and onwards, in this case. At least
Locomotion has been wonderful for the future of E train, even if we
cannot work on her.

No problem on spending £700000.00 on re-building Flying Scotsman.

One thing that does get me, part of the bid for Shildon was to also
build and equipe a workshop, wonder where the cash has gone for
that, I bet the above famous steam engine has seen most of it.

Doesnt it make you sick.

Regards

Paul
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2040 From: Simon Argyle Date: 18/02/2006
Subject: NRM
Paul

I have just trawled through your messages about the NRM. The NRM
really don't appreciate the work put in by volunteers. Are you
speaking to the right people? Would it not be prudent to send a
formal letter to the top of the NMSI copied to DCMS? After all they
fund the museum. Waht about the friends of the NRM - do they know
what is going on here?

Another idea - if the NRM are not interested why don't the APT-E
group withdraw support completely from the NRM and join efforts to
restore P Train - Rob can perhaps advise this would be a benefit and
on whether the railway age would allow this. An action plan could
then be drawn up on getting P-Train ultimately in working order.

I fear there is a lot of support but at the moment there is no clear
focus on what APT supporters want to achieve. We perhaps need to
set up a more formal group along the lines of the AC Loco group?
Although money is an issue, the ACLG manage to refurbish their
locos - how is this done? (I am assuming no lottery winners donated
here).

I don't know the ins and outs of this but I guess other group
members can offer useful insight on this.

Just a few thoughts!

Simon Argyle
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2041 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 18/02/2006
Subject: ACLG vs APT Groups (was NRM)
--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Argyle" wrote:
> I fear there is a lot of support but at the moment there is no clear
> focus on what APT supporters want to achieve. We perhaps need to
> set up a more formal group along the lines of the AC Loco group?
> Although money is an issue, the ACLG manage to refurbish their
> locos - how is this done? (I am assuming no lottery winners donated
> here).
>
> I don't know the ins and outs of this but I guess other group
> members can offer useful insight on this.

There's one distinct difference between ACLG and either of the APT groups, and that's that
we own our locos outright, one way or another (ignoring the 84 and 89). Much of the
refurbishment we've done is only cosmetic or to the mechanical parts to allow movement
over the network, although good progress is also being made on the electrical side of the
early locos now.

In terms of finance, because our members own the vehicles themselves (or through our
limited company) the money comes directly from individuals/shareholders, and we can -
to a greater degree - choose how much we want to spend, when and on what. We're only
constrained by the depth of our own pockets. However, that poses its own risks - for
instance what happens to the locos if individuals stop funding for one reason or another?

Conversely neither APT is owned by the people doing the work, so there will be restrictions
in what you can do, where you can do it, and how much it will cost. This could leave any
formal volunteer society feeling a bit powerless, particularly in decision making - however
as a focus for organising enthusiasts into a coherent volunteer force, it's very useful
indeed. If the group generates its own income from subscriptions and donations, you can
offer this as funding towards work on the two trains - but you'd have to live with the fact
that the NRM or Railway Age could refuse you access or (in theory) dispose of either train
without any reference to the group.

Looking longer term, though, a group could be very useful for a very different reason: if
my interpretation of early threads in this group is correct, APT-E appeared to be at risk of
being disposed of. They say that what goes around comes around - it would be no
surprise if in another 10-15 years' time someone either at Crewe or York decided that the
space currently occupied by either train could be better used to display [enter steam or
diesel type of your choice]. An established APT Group could well be in a position to take
full ownership should either train come up for disposal.

Hope these thoughts are helpful.

Owen

(Secretary, The AC Locomotive Group)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2042 From: snyepsp Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Most people haven't heard of these two games so I've included a link
to explain them:

Transport Tycoon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Tycoon

Locomotion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Sawyer%27s_Locomotion

Both games were made by British programmer Chris Sawyer, who like
us, has a soft sport for the Apt-P, because he has included it in
both games.

It is worth getting into these games for this sole reason, I'll
include some screenshots of the APT-P in Locomotion.

It's really great to be able to drive the APT-P : )

I'll go and play the game just now, and get some screenshots of the
APT-P, oh yeah, it only tilts in Locomotion, Transport Tycoon was
programmed twelve years ago, somehow, don't think computers were
powerful enough back then : P.

I think Rob should add a page regarding this game to his site. (I
think it's Rob).

I'll be back with screens.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2043 From: Rob Latham Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
If you could provide me with some decent screen shots of the APT-P
(email to rob@...) and any other info I'll consider dedicating a
page to the games together with RAIL3D BVE and TRAINSIM

Rob
www.apt-p.com
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2044 From: snyepsp Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
Hi all,

Got a few screens of the APT-P, uploaded onto my NTL webspace.

Links bellow Rob and other group members.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot1.BMP
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot2.BMP
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot3.BMP
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot4.BMP
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot5.BMP
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot6.BMP

These are from Locomotion, the APT-P from Transport Tycoon will have
to wait. Because Transport Tycoon is DOS, you need a patch to run it
on XP, but the patch replaces the original vehicles to a DB trainset.
I'll work on getting that one for Rob, in the meantime, everyone on
here can download Transport Tycoon for free via the other posts
Wikipedia link. Or just google Transport Tycoon.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2045 From: James R Moody Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Rob Latham wrote:

> If you could provide me with some decent screen shots of the APT-P
> (email to rob@...) and any other info I'll consider dedicating a
> page to the games together with RAIL3D BVE and TRAINSIM

And of course, Trainz...

http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/APT_NDM_05.jpg
http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/APT_BP17a_01.jpg

... though I haven't actually finished building it yet ...

James Moody
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2046 From: Gerry Bates Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Wow! Those reverse curves will test the tilt system!

Cheers

Gerry

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 19/02/2006 at 13:57 snyepsp wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Got a few screens of the APT-P, uploaded onto my NTL webspace.
>
>Links bellow Rob and other group members.
>
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot1.BMP
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2047 From: Ian Ellis Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them / APT Group?
Well Rob, I know keeping a website up and running isn't cheap so if I was
you I would like a payment from each game company if they want you to place
a advertising link on your great site.

Also, I'm all for starting a APT group just like the ACLG. I don't know how
we would do it but maybe if someone on here knows how to run such a group
(ie do we need a special bank account or pay tax etc) I'm all for joining.

Just my personal thoughts.
Ian

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2048 From: James R Moody Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
snyepsp wrote:

> Got a few screens of the APT-P, uploaded onto my NTL webspace.
>
> Links bellow Rob and other group members.

(snip)

The Locomotion APT interacts with the company colours system - and if
you play around with the colours a bit, you can get a result like this:

http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/Locomotion_APT_01.gif
http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/Locomotion_APT_02.gif

> These are from Locomotion, the APT-P from Transport Tycoon will have
> to wait. Because Transport Tycoon is DOS, you need a patch to run it
> on XP, but the patch replaces the original vehicles to a DB trainset.
> I'll work on getting that one for Rob, in the meantime, everyone on
> here can download Transport Tycoon for free via the other posts
> Wikipedia link. Or just google Transport Tycoon.

Hmmm... I don't remember the APT in Transport Tycoon originally - nor in
the Deluxe edition. Is it a more recent 3rd party addition? The HST was
there, as was the TGV, but no APT, at least, not in the original vehicle
set.

James Moody
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2049 From: Ian Ellis Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/don.mcgrory/Screenshot1.BMP

Looks like it's derailed to me. I really can't understand why train sim
games have VERY poor graphics these days?

I'll stick to my Hornby APT for the time being....

Ian

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2050 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT Group?
--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Ellis" <ianellis_68@...> wrote:
> Also, I'm all for starting a APT group just like the ACLG. I don't know how
> we would do it but maybe if someone on here knows how to run such a group
> (ie do we need a special bank account or pay tax etc) I'm all for joining.

Most groups of this sort are 'unincorporated'. This means that they are not a legal entity
in the same way that an individual or company is, for instance. The majority of clubs and
societies are of this sort - the AC Loco Group is unincorporated.

All you really need to set up such a group is a list of rules or constitution by which your
members will abide. If you open a bank account in the group's name you will need these
to prove that some sort of organisation exists - the bank will usually give you a
"treasurer's" or "club" account with no bank charges and maybe a bit of interest. You'll
normally need two joint signatories for the account.

You would not need to pay tax on subscription or donation income, however if the group
started trading (selling a lot of stuff that made a profit) you might draw the Tax Inspector's
attention and become liable for Corporation Tax (a second-hand stall at an open day, or
APT bumper stickers are unlikely to fall into this category!). Generally speaking the level
of income and expenditure in small groups like these doesn't interest them - and if you
were likely to make a lot of money, you'd set up a company to handle the trading anyway.

As any work the group might do would be under the auspices of The Railway Age or the
National Railway Museum, these organisations would be responsible for your activities,
and thus your group would not be directly liable in the event of a compensation claim
being made by someone ("I banged my head on this APT and lost the ability to use my
mobile phone... I'm gonna sue!"). This means you have no pressing need to set up a
limited (limited liability) company to protect your members - it's expensive and a hassle to
run anyway!

For the running of the club, hold an initial meeting that forms a Committee (your choice as
to how many people are on it), appoints a Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer as your
"Officers" (these don't have to be three different people), adopts your constitution or rules,
and decides what your subscription amounts will be. Then get the word out and make
people join! Hold an AGM each year to elect the new committee (you can specify the rules
for this in your constitution) and off you go.

Hope that helps.

Owen

(Secretary and behind-the-scenes bloke, ACLG: nine years and counting...)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2051 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, James R Moody <bloodnok@...>
wrote:
>
> And of course, Trainz...
>
> http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/APT_NDM_05.jpg
> http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/APT_BP17a_01.jpg
>
> ... though I haven't actually finished building it yet ...

That's a good looking power car! If anyone is interested, I have a scaleable vector image
of the APT logo (with or without BR arrow), which might be of use when doing the skins.

Owen

(Here it is rendered as a gif: http://www.aclocogroup.org.uk/00/apt.gif )
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2052 From: Owen Hodgson Date: 19/02/2006
Subject: Re: APT Group?
--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Ellis" <ianellis_68@...> wrote:
> Also, I'm all for starting a APT group just like the ACLG. I don't know how
> we would do it but maybe if someone on here knows how to run such a group
> (ie do we need a special bank account or pay tax etc) I'm all for joining.

Most groups of this sort are 'unincorporated'. This means that they are not a legal entity
in the same way that an individual or company is, for instance. The majority of clubs and
societies are of this sort - the AC Loco Group is unincorporated.

All you really need to set up such a group is a list of rules or constitution by which your
members will abide. If you open a bank account in the group's name you will need these
to prove that some sort of organisation exists - the bank will usually give you a
"treasurer's" or "club" account with no bank charges and maybe a bit of interest. You'll
normally need two joint signatories for the account.

You would not need to pay tax on subscription or donation income, however if the group
started trading (selling a lot of stuff that made a profit) you might draw the Tax Inspector's
attention and become liable for Corporation Tax (a second-hand stall at an open day, or
APT bumper stickers are unlikely to fall into this category!). Generally speaking the level
of income and expenditure in small groups like these doesn't interest them - and if you
were likely to make a lot of money, you'd set up a company to handle the trading anyway.

As any work the group might do would be under the auspices of The Railway Age or the
National Railway Museum, these organisations would be responsible for your activities,
and thus your group would not be directly liable in the event of a compensation claim
being made by someone ("I banged my head on this APT and lost the ability to use my
mobile phone... I'm gonna sue!"). This means you have no pressing need to set up a
limited (limited liability) company to protect your members - it's expensive and a hassle to
run anyway!

For the running of the club, hold an initial meeting that forms a Committee (your choice as
to how many people are on it), appoints a Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer as your
"Officers" (these don't have to be three different people), adopts your constitution or rules,
and decides what your subscription amounts will be. Then get the word out and make
people join! Hold an AGM each year to elect the new committee (you can specify the rules
for this in your constitution) and off you go.

Hope that helps.

Owen

(Secretary and behind-the-scenes bloke, ACLG: nine years and counting...)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2053 From: Alan Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in them
WOW!

I was given Trainz for my birthday and it's great. I was looking into
creating APT rolling stock for it, but you have beaten me to it. I
can't wait till you have finished.

Keep up the good work!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2054 From: James Moody Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Alan wrote:

> I was given Trainz for my birthday and it's great. I was looking into
> creating APT rolling stock for it, but you have beaten me to it. I
> can't wait till you have finished.
>
> Keep up the good work!

If you're still interested in building an APT for Trainz, I'm not aware
of anyone building the APT-E at the moment. That one should be a simpler
construction in Trainz terms too - no troublesome driving trailer
enginespecs to create.

James Moody
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|====| | But they think this saves us from our hell
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2055 From: James R Moody Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Ian Ellis wrote:
> Well Rob, I know keeping a website up and running isn't cheap so if I was
> you I would like a payment from each game company if they want you to place
> a advertising link on your great site.

Six games have been mentioned so far. Two of those six are non
commercial - developed by individuals who enjoy programming, and want to
share what they have made. One more is so old it cannot be considered
commercial any more - as it is no longer possible to buy it.

Five of the six games mentioned so far do not have a representation of
the APT included in the package. The APT model has been created by a 3rd
party creator (not the company responsible for the game), and released
for free.

In the one case of the commercial game which does have the APT included,
it's been included as a curiosity, because the developer liked the APT -
and the APT project will have got more out of it than the game developer.

All the people involved in getting the APT into games are doing it
because they like the APT. The vast majority are doing lots of hard work
for no monetary gain.

> Also, I'm all for starting a APT group just like the ACLG. I don't know how
> we would do it but maybe if someone on here knows how to run such a group
> (ie do we need a special bank account or pay tax etc) I'm all for joining.

One of the things a potential APT group will need is friends. Friends
bring income to the group (via membership fees), they bring labour in
terms of working on the trains, and in some cases, expertise as well.
But above all, they bring good will - and good will is what brings more
friends.

James Moody
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ICQ: 7000473 | \ \ /¯)
http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
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Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
They see it right, they see it well | \ /
But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2056 From: James R Moody Date: 20/02/2006
Subject: Re: Re: Locomotion and Transport Tycoon have APT-P in t
Owen Hodgson wrote:
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, James R Moody <bloodnok@...>
> wrote:
>> And of course, Trainz...
>>
>> http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/APT_NDM_05.jpg
>> http://www.vsr.org.uk/screenshots/forum/APT_BP17a_01.jpg
>>
>> ... though I haven't actually finished building it yet ...
>
> That's a good looking power car!

Thanks :¬)

Hopefully, I've managed to capture the shape reasonably well. It's
certainly taken long enough...

It's turned out pretty light on the polycount actually, most of the
polys are in the pantograph at present (which is only half built so
far), so it should run pretty smoothly when finished.

> If anyone is interested, I have a scaleable vector image
> of the APT logo (with or without BR arrow), which might be of use when doing the skins.

I'd be VERY interested in a vector version of that logo. In fact, the
.gif would probably be sufficient, as it's significantly larger than it
would end up in the texture, but vector is always better :¬D

James Moody
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http://www.vsr.org.uk | \ \___/ /
No more can they keep us in | |/ _)| )
Listen, damn it, we will win | ( (|_| )
They see it right, they see it well | \ /
But they think this saves us from our hell | |====|