Just a quick reminder that this Sunday the last part of TRAINS will be
broadcast on Channel 4 at 17:30 this one should include the APT - PW
has already said that he 'saved' the APT-P (NOT true) so we wait to
see what will be said in this episode.

Rob
www.apt-p.com

I'm trying to determine the correct illumination of the lights at
the front and rear of an APT-P.

Some photos show two, three, or four white lights at the front, and
one or two red lights at the rear.

Why so many configurations and which is the `norm'?

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman
<101453.3657@c...> wrote:

> Laurie,
>
> > I've just read, in RBI, can't remember what it stands for but

it's a

> trade journal, that standing
> >passengers on pendolinos have on more than one occasion been asked

to

> de-train so that the service
> >could continue in tilting mode as their extra weight was

overloading the

> tilt mechanism.<
>

Hi Gang;

AIUI the APT-P was meant to be booked on a compulsory
reservation/boarding pass system so that there would *never* be
standing passengers.....

Regards
STU from Swindon
http:stusphotos.fotopic.net

Hi all,
Well the Trains with Pete Waterman was on last night, I think he
gave the APT a semi fare showing, at least he saw it for what it
was, a Brilliant design.

What do you think?

Regards

Paul

Hi All,
The powercar move has slipped again, no fixed dates as yet, but
somethime next month.

I will keep you all posted.

Regards

Paul

I ASSUME THAT MEANS THAT OUR PM WILL NOT SEE E-TRAIN ?

Bathmatus

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Leadley"
<PAUL@A...> wrote:

>
> Hi All,
> The powercar move has slipped again, no fixed dates as yet, but
> somethime next month.
>
> I will keep you all posted.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul

It appears thats its Thralls fault, they dont want the NRm to use
there yard too much...........!!!

Sadly, yes, thats correct, the PM will not see E train, well, the
powercars anyway. I believe that the rest of the train is still
outside, sadly.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "bathmatus"
<bathmatus@y...> wrote:

>
> I ASSUME THAT MEANS THAT OUR PM WILL NOT SEE E-TRAIN ?
>
> Bathmatus
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Leadley"
> <PAUL@A...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > The powercar move has slipped again, no fixed dates as yet, but
> > somethime next month.
> >
> > I will keep you all posted.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Paul

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hi all
been told today is the vip day at locomotion also saw Dutchess of Shetland
go past Newton Aycliffe with pullman cars.

nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "ralphhodgeson" <ralphhodgeson@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Powercar move put back until the 22nd October


>
>
> Paul
>
> does that mean it won't be there when Tony Blair opens it then ?
>
> Ralph
>
> --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Leadley"
> <PAUL@A...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> Ive just spoken to Andrew Goodman, and he has said that the APT-E
>> move will now take place on the 22nd October, thats the NRM -
> Thrall
>> move and then the low loading will take place over the weekend and
>> should be ready to be re-built on the following Monday.
>>
>> I will keep you posted if anything changes.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Paul
>> APT-E Conservation & Support Group
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Does anybody know of a way to produce a 4mm APT-E? Or are there any
plans available?

Just a thought, but if everybody associated with APT wrote or e-
mailed Hornby requesting they re-issue the APT-P, it might show them
there is an interest in it.
Assuming the 'moulds' are still in excist.

whats there email address napierdeltic1977?
nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "napierdeltic1977" <napierdeltic1977@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: <APT Group> Hornby APT


>
>
>
> Just a thought, but if everybody associated with APT wrote or e-
> mailed Hornby requesting they re-issue the APT-P, it might show them
> there is an interest in it.
> Assuming the 'moulds' are still in excist.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>Does anybody know of a way to produce a 4mm APT-E? Or are there any plans

available?<

There's at least two 4 mm APT-Es around on the exhibition circuit, or there
was anyway. The one I know most about was scratchbuilt from plasticard and
used heavily modified Hornby P-Train bogies. The structure was similar to
the 2mm power car and trailer car I built. (pics on Pual's site)

There is one pretty good plan, there's a print of it on Paul's site too and
I have the master copy. It's a 4 view as I recall, but little bogie detail
is shown. As all three types of E-Train bogie will be wholly visible at
Shildon that shouldn't be too much of a problem though. <g>

Regards
Kit

----- Original Message -----

From: Nigel Richards

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:01 PM

Subject: Re: <APT Group> Hornby APT

whats there email address napierdeltic1977?
nigel
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From: "napierdeltic1977" <napierdeltic1977@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: <APT Group> Hornby APT


>
>
>
> Just a thought, but if everybody associated with APT wrote or e-
> mailed Hornby requesting they re-issue the APT-P, it might show them
> there is an interest in it. 
> Assuming the 'moulds' are still in excist.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I think that is a very good idea, if everyone on the group wrote a
short letter, it might prompt a re-release. I am writting one now, I
hope you do the same.

i will be infact i may phone them as well as emailing them. or better still
could always ask bachmman.

nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "lego9v" <ryanmcgrory@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Lets write letters to Hornby


>
>
> I think that is a very good idea, if everyone on the group wrote a
> short letter, it might prompt a re-release. I am writting one now, I
> hope you do the same.
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hornby's Product Suggestion Page is here:

www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_tpc.aspx?fid=2

It contains a multitude of requests for an APT re-release, but Hornby
do not seem interested.

A simple re-release would not be a good idea, but a new re-tooled
model would sell like hot-cakes I'm sure.

well we could ask bachmann to do a fresh model.
nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <yahoo@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: <APT Group> Hornby APT


>
>
> Hornby's Product Suggestion Page is here:
>
> www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_tpc.aspx?fid=2
>
> It contains a multitude of requests for an APT re-release, but Hornby
> do not seem interested.
>
> A simple re-release would not be a good idea, but a new re-tooled
> model would sell like hot-cakes I'm sure.
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Some APT requests from Hornby's site:

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=5027&topics_currentPage=2

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=3976&topics_currentPage=17

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=3048&topics_currentPage=32

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=2755&topics_currentPage=37

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=2703&topics_currentPage=38

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=1649&topics_currentPage=54

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=1239&topics_currentPage=55

How do I stop a URL (link) in a message from wrapping (see previous
message)?

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: <APT Group> Hornby APT

Some APT requests from Hornby's site:

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=5027&topics_currentPage=2

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=3976&topics_currentPage=17

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=3048&topics_currentPage=32

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=2755&topics_currentPage=37

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=2703&topics_currentPage=38

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=1649&topics_currentPage=54

http://www.hornbyrailways.com/pages/cont_msg.aspx?
fid=2&tid=1239&topics_currentPage=55

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <yahoo@h...>
wrote:

>
> A simple re-release would not be a good idea, but a new re-tooled
> model would sell like hot-cakes I'm sure.

Is there then anything much wrong with the Hornby model? Is it too
long or short or anything?

True it looks rather undetailed but then the original is quite smooth
with nothing much in the way of grilles or handrails....

With the better painting that can be done nowadays, a re-release
might look quite presentable.

(ab)

Nothing much wrong with it for a 1980's train, but this is 2004.

I have an R543 (APT set) and an R794 (APT pack) and I love them to
bits and will never sell them.

A simple re-release will offer nothing new and will look very dated
against modern trains, even with a better paint job. Why would
someone buy a re-release when an original 1980's model can be
purchased on eBay and from some shops still (there is one about a
mile from me)? The price would not be much different initially and
the value of an original would drop below the price of a new one.

A re-tooled version with a full set of vehicles would be much more
viable for Hornby. I would buy one for sure.

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 8:32 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: Hornby APT

Nothing much wrong with it for a 1980's train, but this is 2004.

I have an R543 (APT set) and an R794 (APT pack) and I love them to
bits and will never sell them.

A simple re-release will offer nothing new and will look very dated
against modern trains, even with a better paint job. Why would
someone buy a re-release when an original 1980's model can be
purchased on eBay and from some shops still (there is one about a
mile from me)? The price would not be much different initially and
the value of an original would drop below the price of a new one.

A re-tooled version with a full set of vehicles would be much more
viable for Hornby. I would buy one for sure.

well folks i had a reply from hornby thus:
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Dear Mr Richards

Thank you for your e-mail. We have no plans at the present time to introduce
such items into the range. However i will pass your suggestions onto the
relevant department for review.


Kind Regards
Donna
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I'm not surprised.

As I've already said, I love my Hornby APT's to bits, but did you
know:

1) The wheels in the power car bogies are a scale foot too close
together.
2) The power car doors are too small.
3) The front windscreen and side widows are too small.
4) The 'mask of zoro' is too far up the nose.
5) The first small window back from the nose should not have a silver
surround.
6) There is way too much space around the bogies and insufficient
body above the bogies.
7) The red body side stripe is too narrow and the 'yellow' nose is
too orange.

But I can honestly say that I've never had a tilt failure or a
locking brake.

Goto Fox Transfers:

https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/index2.html

F-4200/10, Scale: 4mm
InterCity APT 5 car pack. Will refurbish the standard Hornby set.
Includes selection of TOPS numbersets and City of Derby multi-colour
crests. Fox Stainless Steel versions of this crest will shortly be
available. 2 sheets.

F-4200/10/1, Scale: 4mm
InterCity APT Driving Car sheet. For two vehicles including crests.

F-4200/10/2, Scale: 4mm
InterCity APT Intermediate Car lining sheet. Includes set numbers for
Driving Cars.

----- Original Message -----

From: Alan

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:33 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: Hornby APT

I'm not surprised.

As I've already said, I love my Hornby APT's to bits, but did you
know:

1) The wheels in the power car bogies are a scale foot too close
together.
2) The power car doors are too small.
3) The front windscreen and side widows are too small.
4) The 'mask of zoro' is too far up the nose.
5) The first small window back from the nose should not have a silver
surround.
6) There is way too much space around the bogies and insufficient
body above the bogies.
7) The red body side stripe is too narrow and the 'yellow' nose is
too orange.

But I can honestly say that I've never had a tilt failure or a
locking brake.

hi alan
well i think mine does tilt ebit a little loud though with the motor. but i
think i may have to give it a full service.

nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan" <yahoo@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Re: Hornby APT


>
>
> I'm not surprised.
>
> As I've already said, I love my Hornby APT's to bits, but did you
> know:
>
> 1) The wheels in the power car bogies are a scale foot too close
> together.
> 2) The power car doors are too small.
> 3) The front windscreen and side widows are too small.
> 4) The 'mask of zoro' is too far up the nose.
> 5) The first small window back from the nose should not have a silver
> surround.
> 6) There is way too much space around the bogies and insufficient
> body above the bogies.
> 7) The red body side stripe is too narrow and the 'yellow' nose is
> too orange.
>
> But I can honestly say that I've never had a tilt failure or a
> locking brake.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
>
>
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Hi,
I think a new design would have to be the thing.

Just getting the coaches and powercar the correct length would help.

Id love to see a full set running.

Regards

Paul

>Many of us 1980s children did not have the chance to save up our pocket

money fast enough to >purchase an APT train before they disappeard over
night, so hornby are being a bit silly not doing a >new model. <

As usual it comes down to money.

When the original Horny P-Train was released there was a pretty good chance
that it would become a best seller, as the real one was planned to be BR's
primary main line train for many years to come. Therefore every kid on the
block would know about and it and want one, and Hornby would make a mint.

As we know the plan didn't work like that, and when P-Train was axed by BR
Hornby did the same. I don't know if they made money on the relatively few
they sold, but I doubt it.

While all of us here are 'hard over' APT nuts, and would probably buy a
super detailed, state of the art P-Train model, with working diaphragms,
correct size bogies, cardan shaft drive as per full size and fully working
electro-hydraulic tilt system (!) the total number of sales would probably
not be all that great. Remember that Joe Public still thinks of APT as
'That tilting train that failed all the time'. He's passed that 'knowledge'
onto Little Joe, and I doubt LJ would be interested in such a model.

While enthusiasts such as ourselves always see a need for a particular
model, the plain facts are that the profits come from Little Joes
persuading their parents to fork out, and with little prospect of that
level of sales I can't see Hornby shelling out for new tooling to make it
happen.

Regards
Kit

Sadly I agree, but wouldn't it be fantastic though to have a super-
duper-detailed modern full-length model APT-P running around one's
back garden at a scale 155mph!

Sweet dreams!

----- Original Message -----

From: Kit Spackman

To: INTERNET:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 12:20 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re-released Hornby P-Train?

>Many of us 1980s children did not have the chance to save up our pocket
money fast enough to >purchase an APT train before they disappeard over
night, so hornby are being a bit silly not doing a >new model.  <

As usual it comes down to money.

When the original Horny P-Train was released there was a pretty good chance
that it would become a best seller, as the real one was planned to be BR's
primary main line train for many years to come. Therefore every kid on the
block would know about and it and want one, and Hornby would make a mint.

As we know the plan didn't work like that, and when P-Train was axed by BR
Hornby did the same. I don't know if they made money on the relatively few
they sold, but I doubt it.

While all of us here are 'hard over' APT nuts, and would probably buy a
super detailed, state of the art P-Train model, with working diaphragms,
correct size bogies, cardan shaft drive as per full size and fully working
electro-hydraulic tilt system (!) the total number of sales would probably
not be all that great. Remember that Joe Public still thinks of APT as
'That tilting train that failed all the time'. He's passed that 'knowledge'
onto Little Joe, and I doubt LJ would be interested in such a model.

While enthusiasts such as ourselves always see a need for a particular
model, the plain facts are that the profits come from Little Joes
persuading their parents to fork out, and with little prospect of that
level of sales I can't see Hornby shelling out for new tooling to make it
happen.

Regards
Kit

Hi All,
Just got around to posting the rest of the E train split photos and
videos.

http://www.apt-e.org

and click the second link "2:- The rest of..............."

Enjoy.

Paul

Oh yes, the move of the powercars is supposed to happen next weekend.

> the move of the powercars is supposed to happen next

weekend.

Hi all

Did anyone see / tape a programme that was broadcast on BBC1 Monday
11.05 pm entitled 'Seemed like a good idea at the time' - if so could
you send us a tape !

Thanks in advance


Rob
www.apt-p.com

R G Latham
APT-P Support Team
The Railway Age
Vernon Way
Crewe
Cheshire
CW1 2DB

Why was the APT-P power cars not put into the driving trailers, HST
style?
Surely 2 Power/driving vehicles would have been better?
Also, did APT 'sense' curves for tilting?
Excuse my lack of knowledge, I'm new to things APT!

Hi,
The powercars where placed in the centre of the rack because of
pantagraph pickup and uplift problems, and also that the health and
saftey people wouldnt let the high voltage lines be run over the top
of coaches containing the public.

The leading pantagraph effected the pickup of the trailing one, thus
only one powercar could be used, unless the two were connect via a
cable, this wasnt allowed, so in order to get two powercars, they
had to be in the middle, and used only one pantagraph, this
distributed power to both powercars.

As for tilting, yes it did. the leading bogie of each vehicle, to
put it in very simple terms, was fitted with several accelarometers
which could sense the lateral tug of entering a corner, and then
tilted the coach into the bend, like riding a motorcyle. Sensing
the bend on the leading bogie, gave the system a little more
reaction time. This gave the APT better performance than any of the
tilting trains we have now. APT-E was the fastest performance
system fitted to any tilting train, and proberbly still is.

See rob P train site for APT-P tilting systems. WWW-APT-P.com
and my website for the APT-E at www.apt-e.org

I hope this answers your question.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Goup.

Kit is the person really to ask about this, as he designed the tilt
system for the APT-E, his formulas are used today on many of the
tilting trains around the world.



--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "napierdeltic1977"
<napierdeltic1977@y...> wrote:

>
>
> Why was the APT-P power cars not put into the driving trailers,

HST

> style?
> Surely 2 Power/driving vehicles would have been better?
> Also, did APT 'sense' curves for tilting?
> Excuse my lack of knowledge, I'm new to things APT!

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Greetings All,

A new member to your group and i also like the APT and all its concepts of
the time.

Therefore if anyone could spare a tape of that programme and would like to
send it to me i would appreciate it.

I would gladly refund postage and cost of tape.

reagrds Mike Betts.

>From: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
>Reply-To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
>To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: <APT Group> APT on TV
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:23:07 -0000
>
>
>Hi all
>
>Did anyone see / tape a programme that was broadcast on BBC1 Monday
>11.05 pm entitled 'Seemed like a good idea at the time' - if so could
>you send us a tape !
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>Rob
>www.apt-p.com
>
>R G Latham
>APT-P Support Team
>The Railway Age
>Vernon Way
>Crewe
>Cheshire
>CW1 2DB
>
>
>
>

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Hi Again

as no one has contacted me re the TV Programme 'Seemed like a good
idea at the time' I guess that it went un-recorded by us all :-(

If YOU did record it and thought that someone else would copy it for us
then PLEASE let me know !

Best wishes


Rob

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<rob@a...> wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> Did anyone see / tape a programme that was broadcast on BBC1

Monday

> 11.05 pm entitled 'Seemed like a good idea at the time' - if so could
> you send us a tape !
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Rob
> www.apt-p.com
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> R G Latham
> APT-P Support Team
> The Railway Age
> Vernon Way
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> Cheshire
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Rob

Try contacting the TV company, perhaps via their website, and ask for a video copy. Tell them your connection with APT - lay it on thick! - and say you're willing to pay for the video. You might be sent a free copy.

Regards

Gerry Bates

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On 12/11/2004 at 13:02 Rob Latham wrote:

>Hi Again
>
>as no one has contacted me re the TV Programme 'Seemed like a good
>idea at the time' I guess that it went un-recorded by us all :-(
>
>If YOU did record it and thought that someone else would copy it for us
>then PLEASE let me know !
>
>Best wishes
>
>
>Rob
>
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>> Hi all
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>> Did anyone see / tape a programme that was broadcast on BBC1
>Monday
>> 11.05 pm entitled 'Seemed like a good idea at the time' - if so could
>> you send us a tape !
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>> Thanks in advance
>>
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>> Rob
>> www.apt-p.com
>>
>> R G Latham
>> APT-P Support Team
>> The Railway Age
>> Vernon Way
>> Crewe
>> Cheshire
>> CW1 2DB
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Brian,

Bit of both actually.

The engines were originally designed for Leyland's gast turbine truck, of
which approx. half a dozen were made, but never reached production. BR
bought about 15 of them for the E-Train, but driving generators rather than
torque converters.

As we soon found out they didn't have enough grunt to get E-Train up around
150 mph or so they were locally modified by having their ceramic heat
exchangers removed, and the fuel systems tweaked to maximise the power
output. This also ruined the 'fuel economy' (this phrase is used in it's
widest possible sense....) So by the time E-Train was running at it's peak
the engines surely weren't 'off-the shelf' even if we had more of them
running than Leyland did.

As to how they are now, it's difficult to say. There's no-one about who's
qualified to inspect and judge them, although the NRM have a number of zero
houred engines in their spares stock, two of which are in The Wharehouse.
(Paul and I saw them on Saturday)

Hot off the press, you may all like to know that E-Train is now all at
Shildon, albeit still not as a complete train yet. Paul and I have been
working with the contractors since Friday helping to move it. It'll be a
while brfore it's in a state to be visited although she'll be visible at
close range.

Regards
Kit

Hi all,
As Kit said, E train is now at Shildon, the state of play by Tuesday
night was :

PC1 is now connected to TC2, formation : PC1/e1t/TC2/e1t
Joint module is in position, this rake is now in its display
position in Locomotion.

TC1 is standing upright on an ET1 and an SA bogie awaiting PC2 to be
connect. This coach is inside Locomotion.

PC2 was unloaded and placed on the same lane as TC1, but sadly
darkness fell and the final connection and joint module fitting had
to be called off until Monday afternoon/Tuesday of next week.

I have to say, she looks stunning in Shildon, Ive taken plenty of
photos and video of the entire move, so I will try and get it
collated and posted onto the E train website ASAP.

The entire move went without any hitches, a big thanks to Andrew
Goodman and his team for looking after her.

Regards

Paul
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Paul,

>The entire move went without any hitches, a big thanks to Andrew
>Goodman and his team for looking after her.<

It did? <g>

Shall we tell them about the A59/A1 York/Shildon Rally Special Stage
yet?????

Regards
Kit

HAHA, well, apart from her being fussy about being taken apart and
put back together again!!!!, and the fact they left early so we had
to chase PC1 going to Shildon.......................

We got some nice shots of her on the motorway thanks to .....

KIT, (THE RALLY MASTER) SPACKMAN....................

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman
<101453.3657@c...> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> >The entire move went without any hitches, a big thanks to Andrew
> >Goodman and his team for looking after her.<
>
> It did? <g>
>
> Shall we tell them about the A59/A1 York/Shildon Rally Special

Stage

> yet?????
>
> Regards
> Kit