Are you gonna get it going at 200mph?

Have all four vehicles ever tilted together, in the same direction,
and in unison? Is that it, is it that what you are gonna do?

...by sending it via Sutton Bank?

Regards,
Adam Warr, Peterborough UK
Electra Railway Graphics
www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
Fotopic Site:
http://www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net/

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From: Alan [mailto:yahoo@...]
Sent: 12 September 2004 20:23
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> Re: Surprise, what do you think we are going to
do!!!!


Are you gonna get it going at 200mph?





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Is it gonna carry a fare-paying passenger?

My guess is that E-train and P-train vehicles are coming together for the very first time.

Cheers

Gerry

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> My guess is that E-train and P-train vehicles are coming together

for the very first time.

I agree. This will produce the first ever picture with both E and P
trains in it.

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Leadley

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:13 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: Surprise, what do you think we are going to do!!!!

Nice ideas......... warm!

All will be revealed at the weekend, pictures and photos.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Ellis"
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> >>Any Ideas as to whats gonna happen?
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> Main Hall of the NRM?
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> Am I getting close?
> Ian

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GUESS ITS AT SHILDON

Bathmatus

APT-P is still there, unless Rob has eaten it..........

So........NOPE, thats not it.

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Alan,

>Have all four vehicles ever tilted together, in the same direction,
>and in unison? Is that it, is it that what you are gonna do?<

Oh yes, we did that numerous times. Not only on the Test Track and the main
line going round any curve you can mention, but also in the R&D yard when
we were testing suspension clearences etc.

Sadly it's impossible now as none of the tilt systems are operational in
any E-Train vehicle. TC2 is the nearest though, as the tilt jacks and
pipework are still in place from it's time as an exhibition vehicle in the
Great Hall. PC1, PC2 and TC1 are a long way from being tiltable now, if
ever. I don't know how we'd get the Tilt Pack out of TC1 to do any work on
it I'm afraid, it's far too big to go through the doors.

Gerry,

>My guess is that E-train and P-train vehicles are coming together for the

very first >time.<

That will be the case at Shildon if the NRM's plan works as E-Train and the
remaining solo P-Train Power Car are planned to stand on adjacent Roads.
See the location plan on the Locomotion web site.

OK, don't try that, the site won't work................

Paul and I both have misgivings about them actually doing that. The photos
that were on the site on Saturday morning hardly showed enough free space
to do it. Hopefully there is a perspective problem with the photos.

Regards
Kit

Ive been quiet so i'll fire one out...

Is any part of it going to be made to tilt by some other machine? e.g.
people can watch it titl side to side? (better odds than the below one)

The train is gonna get a total re-furbish by the nrm?

Steve :)

hi all
just to report went passed shildon locomotion today and saw a apt-e car
there dont know which one will be going later to take some pics.

nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kit Spackman" <101453.3657@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: <APT Group> E Train move


> Alan,
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>>Have all four vehicles ever tilted together, in the same direction,
>>and in unison? Is that it, is it that what you are gonna do?<
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> Oh yes, we did that numerous times. Not only on the Test Track and the
> main
> line going round any curve you can mention, but also in the R&D yard when
> we were testing suspension clearences etc.
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> Sadly it's impossible now as none of the tilt systems are operational in
> any E-Train vehicle. TC2 is the nearest though, as the tilt jacks and
> pipework are still in place from it's time as an exhibition vehicle in the
> Great Hall. PC1, PC2 and TC1 are a long way from being tiltable now, if
> ever. I don't know how we'd get the Tilt Pack out of TC1 to do any work on
> it I'm afraid, it's far too big to go through the doors.
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> very first >time.<
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> the
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> See the location plan on the Locomotion web site.
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And what would that be in back of the Sans Pareil?

http://www.nrm.org.uk/html/newsrecent_pb/sans.asp

So let me get this right. During the coming week, there should be
a 'first' for E-train, ie, something that has never before happened
to it before.

It isn't going to tilt, run at 200mph, go down Sutton Bank, carry a
fare-paying passenger, meet up with P-train, or be started and
driven to its new site. We know that Ian Ellis was 'warm' with one
or more of:

1) One of the power cars will be temporarily put on display in the
Main Hall of the NRM?
2) The train will be dragged/moved by a rare loco?
3) PC1 & PC2 will be directly joined together?

Give us a clue before we go mad.

Hang on a minute - what the hell is that behind Sans Pareil at
Shildon?

Have you got the hastings coaches? or the prototype
HST power car? they would look good together

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Ok, I've just phoned The Railway Age at Crewe and the nice lady on
the phone said that the APT-P is still there. I'm confused.

Is the queen going to perform a champagne smashing official naming
ceremony or something: "I name this train 'APT-E'. God bless her and
all who tilt in her."?

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there is certainly a certain train behind the sans p...

That picture wasnt taken at Shildon!

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Steve mosby"
<pmht_steven@m...> wrote:

> there is certainly a certain train behind the sans p...

YES - I can confirm that APT-P is still at The Railway Age in Crewe,
of course it's no secret that APT-P Powercar 49006 is already at
Shildon.

Incidently we've had a couple of phone calls asking about it today !

> Ok, I've just phoned The Railway Age at Crewe and the nice lady on
> the phone said that the APT-P is still there. I'm confused.

Happy guessing


Rob
www.apt-p.com

PS I'll upload (to the photos section) some pictures of the powercar
at Crewe as a number of people have asked what state its in two years
after its repaint.

rob that is confirmed up here in newton aycliffe as i have seen the power
car inside the building via binoculars.

nigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 1:19 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Re: Surprise, what do you think we are going to do!!!!


> YES - I can confirm that APT-P is still at The Railway Age in Crewe,
> of course it's no secret that APT-P Powercar 49006 is already at
> Shildon.
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>> the phone said that the APT-P is still there. I'm confused.
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> www.apt-p.com
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> at Crewe as a number of people have asked what state its in two years
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paul i will take a pic of sans perel tomorrow at shildon running.
nigel

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To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Re: Surprise, what do you think we are going to do!!!!


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Advanced-Passenger-Train group:

What do you think will happen to the
APT-E this week?

o One of the power cars will be displayed in the Main Hall at the NRM
o The train will be dragged/moved by a rare loco
o PC1 & PC2 will be directly joined together
o Carry a fare-paying passenger
o E-train and P-train vehicles will come together for the first time
o E-train, P-train, Super Voyager & Pendolino will come together for a photo shoot of all the tilting trains in the UK
o The Queen will officially open Shildon with the E-train being the star attraction
o Sans Perel will move E-train into it's new home
o Other - (Please email group with your answer)


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Thanks!

Hello everyone,

would it be possible to join the APT-P power car to the APT-E?

bye,
John

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Laurie,

>Have you got the hastings coaches? or the prototype HST power car? they

would >look good together<

We should be so lucky................

'Hastings' is 'preserved' at the Walthamstow Transport Museum and one 252
Power Car is in the Great Hall at York. Niot sure where the 2nd 252 is, but
I bet someone on here does.

I'm a shareholder in 'Hastings' but must admit to being totally inactive
after the Museum there decided to re-paint it green! This is despite it
still being on it's H4X bogies, albeit with solid struts instead of tilt
jacks. It's in a pretty poor state after being alonsgide the sea at
Hastings for many years under the 'tender care' of Hastings
Diesels...............

I suggested that 'Hastings' be painted green on one side and R&D Blue/Red
on the other but that fell on deaf ears, ho hum.

Regards
Kit

>Not sure where the 2nd 252 is, but I bet someone on here does.

In your washing machine and fridge!! It was scrapped in 1990.

Simon

----- Original Message -----

From: John Wood

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:28 PM

Subject: <APT Group> APT-E & P joined together?

Hello everyone,

would it be possible to join the APT-P power car to the APT-E?

bye,
John

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James - any pic's you can forward would be fantastic!!

Interesting reading below that...(culled your post simply to save
bandwidth...no offence intended).

Leaning (excuse the pun) towards 2 driving power-cars rather than a
DVT having read that (I'd possibly take resin casts of the power car
bogies for the "unpowered" power-car - only having two motorised and
two unmotorised power-car bogies to play with in total!!

Have you seen the APT conversion pic's on Electric Nose and in
http://doodaa.fotopic.net/ yet?


Malcolm


--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "James R Moody"
<bloodnok@v...> wrote:

Malcolm

who or what is Electric Nose ?? as I would like to see the pictures
too !


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Andy - can you change to poll so that I can vote for more than ONE
option ?? as I think that a couple of things mentioned WILL happen !!


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Alan Williams book on eBay -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2269954933

Several APT cartoons and witty observations.


Rob
www.apt-p.com

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Unsure if anyone is aware, Locomotion, the sequel to Chris Sawyer's
Transport Tycoon, features the APT-P as a fully-running service. It's
introduced into the game in 1981 and exists well into the 2000's.

Image attached of it tilting around the corner outside London

Steve :)

----- Original Message -----

From: Simon Bendall

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:00 PM

Subject: Re: <APT Group> E-Train at Shildon questions

>Not sure where the 2nd 252 is, but I bet someone on here does.

In your washing machine and fridge!!  It was scrapped in 1990.

Simon

> who or what is Electric Nose ?? as I would like to see the pictures
> too !

www.electricnose.co.uk

in particular, this entry:

http://www.electricnose.co.uk/archive/000023.html

James Moody
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\ / | They see it right, they see it well
|====| | But they think this saves us from our hell

> Unsure if anyone is aware, Locomotion, the sequel to Chris Sawyer's
> Transport Tycoon, features the APT-P as a fully-running service. It's
> introduced into the game in 1981 and exists well into the 2000's.

Yup, I spotted that :)

If you play with your colourscheme for passenger carriages, you can get it
into the correct colours too :)

It's tilt ability is VERY useful in the game, as many of the curves are
restricted to slow speeds, and the APT is permitted to go some 25% faster
around them. In some cases, there is no alternative to using a track piece
restricted to 60mph, no matter how straight and smooth you are trying to get
the track.

Shame about the lack of servicing in Locomotion, causing everything (not
just the APT, but all trains, vehicles, planes, etc) to be useless after
about 5 years though. I await a patch to make the game playable...

James Moody
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I've changed the poll so you can now vote for more than one choice.
The poll will close on Friday = happy voting!!

Take Care,
Andy

"Rob Latham" <rob@a...> wrote:

> Andy - can you change to poll so that I can vote for more than ONE
> option ?? as I think that a couple of things mentioned WILL

happen !!

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> Rob
> www.apt-p.com

hi there

very interesting indeed about the apt DVT's :)

nigel

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To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: <APT Group> Powered APT DVT's


> James - any pic's you can forward would be fantastic!!
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> bandwidth...no offence intended).
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> Leaning (excuse the pun) towards 2 driving power-cars rather than a
> DVT having read that (I'd possibly take resin casts of the power car
> bogies for the "unpowered" power-car - only having two motorised and
> two unmotorised power-car bogies to play with in total!!
>
> Have you seen the APT conversion pic's on Electric Nose and in
> http://doodaa.fotopic.net/ yet?
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> Malcolm
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hi john
i beleive that the APT-E train cannot be joined to the APT-P power car as
the coupling is differant also the apt- e articulated except for the
powercars leading bogies.
also both trains have different profiles.

nigel

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From: "John Wood" <jowo_89@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:28 PM
Subject: <APT Group> APT-E & P joined together?


> Hello everyone,
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--- Brian Johnson Pianos
<brian@...> wrote:

> WHAT A WASTE!!
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> What is it with BR and the HST trains?????????????
> 252.........Scrapped APT-P..............Scrapped
> and the remainders left to rot :-(
> ----- Original Message -----

Brian, don't be too hard on BR I think they did very
well in the last 15 years trying to do more with ever
shrinking budgets. Much of the blame for E-trains
current condition, i.e before repair and repainting
was due to internal politics at the NRM. Also don't
forget that by law the NRM could request any piece of
equipment from BR for their collection, they obviously
felt that one powercar from the HST-P was enough. This
is a shame as some of the original trailers are still
in service as royal saloons and as part ( or whole ?)
of a GNER set so a complete train could have been re
created.

I know that BR wasn't perfect but the conditions
imposed upon it by its own employees and by external
politicians always seemed to work against it. From my
laymans perspective I would say that BR achieved alot
to, the HST really did cause a revolution in train
travel in this country. It is however a crying shame
that the APT was not allowed to succeed and that
Brian, does make me angry but blame must be
apportioned correctly!

The accuracy of facts in the above are subject to my
terrible ...er ... memory so if I am wrong please
correct me..

see ya

Laurie





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----- Original Message -----

From: Laurie Still

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:43 PM

Subject: Re: <APT Group> E-Train at Shildon questions

--- Brian Johnson Pianos
<brian@...> wrote:
> WHAT A WASTE!!
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> What is it with BR and the HST trains????????????? 
> 252.........Scrapped   APT-P..............Scrapped
> and the remainders left to rot :-(
>   ----- Original Message -----

Brian, don't be too hard on BR I think they did very
well in the last 15 years trying to do more with ever
shrinking budgets. Much of the blame for E-trains
current condition, i.e before repair and repainting
was due to internal politics at the NRM. Also don't
forget that by law the NRM could request any piece of
equipment from BR for their collection, they obviously
felt that one powercar from the HST-P was enough. This
is a shame as some of the original trailers are still
in service as royal saloons and as part ( or whole ?)
of a GNER set so a complete train could have been re
created.

I know that BR wasn't perfect but the conditions
imposed upon it by its own employees and by external
politicians always seemed to work against it. From my
laymans perspective I would say that BR achieved alot
to, the HST really did cause a revolution in train
travel in this country. It is however a crying shame
that the APT was not allowed to succeed and that
Brian, does make me angry but blame must be
apportioned correctly!

The accuracy of facts in the above are subject to my
terrible ...er ... memory so if I am wrong please
correct me..

see ya

Laurie


     
     
           
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Okay, I'm still waiting..... Will you "PLEASE" tell us what has
happend to the APT-E this week?

PLEASE!!!!!
Ian

"Paul Leadley" wrote:

There should be a first for E train during the coming week!!!!!!

Well, here is what happened..........................


We have split the train........BUT THATS HAPPENED BEORE......

We have been working on her since Thursday, and she is putting up a
great fight, I dont think she wants to leave the NRM.

Whats gonna happen, hasnt yet...............MAYBE TODAY?????

Watch this space.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Ellis"
<ianellis_68@h...> wrote:

> Okay, I'm still waiting..... Will you "PLEASE" tell us what has
> happend to the APT-E this week?
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> PLEASE!!!!!
> Ian
>
> "Paul Leadley" wrote:
>
> There should be a first for E train during the coming week!!!!!!

Well, the end result didnt happen, but all I can say for the moment
is ......

The train is now in four parts................

TC2 is already at Shildon....................

TC1 is leaving the NRM Monday morning at 6am, the same way TC2 left.

PC1 and PC2 arte still in the NRM.

I will update the E train website, during the week, will all the
pictures and videos thats happend to her over the last week.

Regards

Paul

PS. Myself, Kit and Steven Penny have been working on her for the
past four days, to help the brilliant guys aqt Moveright Internation
get the train to Shildon. We are exhausted, 9am - 7.30 pn days.

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Leadley

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:41 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-E Move Starts - TC2 the first to leave the NRM.

Well, the end result didnt happen, but all I can say for the moment
is ......

The train is now in four parts................

TC2 is already at Shildon....................

TC1 is leaving the NRM Monday morning at 6am, the same way TC2 left.

PC1 and PC2 arte still in the NRM.

I will update the E train website, during the week, will all the
pictures and videos thats happend to her over the last week.

Regards

Paul

PS.  Myself, Kit and Steven Penny have been working on her for the
past four days, to help the brilliant guys aqt Moveright Internation
get the train to Shildon.   We are exhausted,  9am - 7.30 pn days.

Pioneer TVs series for channel four 'TRAINS' starts on Sunday 26
September at 17:30 and runs for 4 weeks.

Programme Four - This programme looks at the railways post-WW2, and
how they faced up to the need to modernise the countries network
after the war. It examines the changes made by the notorious Beeching
plan, and the end of the age of steam. Pete Waterman looks at the
work done by BR, at the success of their Intercity network, and at
the ill-fated APT service. The series closes with a look at how the
countries railways have coped with privatisation, and at what the
future holds for the British rail network with the advent of trains
such as the Eurostar.

Remember to set your VCR !!


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Hi,
So is the first the coupling of pc1 and pc2
together?

Laurie





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--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Leadley"
<PAUL@A...> wrote:

> Whats gonna happen, hasnt yet...............MAYBE TODAY?????
>
> Watch this space.

The suspense is killing us! Spill the beans already. :)

The following Advanced-Passenger-Train poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: What do you think will happen to the
APT-E this week?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- One of the power cars will be displayed in the Main Hall at the NRM, 2 votes, 9.09%
- The train will be dragged/moved by a rare loco, 4 votes, 18.18%
- PC1 & PC2 will be directly joined together, 7 votes, 31.82%
- Carry a fare-paying passenger, 1 votes, 4.55%
- E-train and P-train vehicles will come together for the first time, 5 votes, 22.73%
- E-train, P-train, Super Voyager & Pendolino will come together for a photo shoot of all the tilting trains in the UK, 3 votes, 13.64%
- The Queen will officially open Shildon with the E-train being the star attraction, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Sans Perel will move E-train into it's new home, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Other - (Please email group with your answer), 0 votes, 0.00%



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