Attachments :

16th September 1980 - "Norman Fowler, British Conservative politician
and Minister of Transport, with the prototype APT (Advanced Passenger
Train) at Euston Station, London".

THREE MORE IMAGES FROM THE HULTON ARCHIVE ARE NOW IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS
SECTION OF THIS GROUP

Bathmatus

Attachments :

You missed the hostesses! :-)

Nick

--

Sorry, I forgot the caption...

16th May 1972 - "Six hostesses who will work on British Rail's 150mph
Advanced Passenger Train (from left) Rowena Mortimer, Robin Barber,
Linda Vasey, Shelagh Lawson, Lucia Craig and Denise Brown at Paddington
Station, London."

They must have been waiting a long time to start work!

Nick

An interesting booklet on the ATP (sic) ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=1445&item=2260916417&rd=1

Regards

Nick

Hi,
There is no set time yet, but it will be sometime on the 28th August.

As soon as I find out the timings, I will post on here and the E
train website.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, York

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wrote:

> hi all does anyone know the exact date and a rough time of when

the apt-e will be at shildon?

>
> nigel
>
>
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APT BIBLE ON EBAY

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Bathmatus

I was at York Railway Station on Tuesday Travelling on the Flying Scotsman
to Scarborough.

When I noticed that PC2 was out in the open and sitting on its own on a
siding!

Is the rejoin imminent and a move to shildon soon too?

Regards

Andrew

>When I noticed that PC2 was out in the open and sitting on its own on a

siding!<

Hmm, I'd like to know how they did it, how it's being held up and if it's
bent or not.......

Regards
Kit (....of little faith....)

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APT-E was still on display at York NRM last Saturday when I visited.

Railnews November 1980 APT Supplement on sale on eBay -

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http://www.apt-p.com/RailNewsNovember1980Index.htm


Happy bidding


Rob

Hi all,
Ive just had a meeting today with Jim Rees of the NRM, about the
move of APT-E.

Sadly, it looks like the move has slipped, yet again, to the first
week in September.

I have been drafted as a support person about the split and move.

The train is being split using the origional lifting gear, yes, they
have found it, and then by waffer super low loader to Shildon.

There are still many deatils to be worked on, but I will keep you
posted.

Its TC2 thats outside of the Great Hall, not PC2 (dont worry Kit).

I will try and keep you all posted, I should be speaking to the NRM
and Moveright again on Wednesday, then I should get a date and time
for the move.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, York

Paul,

>I have been drafted as a support person about the split and move.<

Sanity prevails at last!

>The train is being split using the origional lifting gear, yes, they
>have found it, and then by waffer super low loader to Shildon.<

It can't have been difficult, the brackets are 6 ft high and painted bright
yellow after all! All it needed was someone to look for them, or be allowed
to look for them anyway....

>Its TC2 thats outside of the Great Hall, not PC2 (dont worry Kit).<

Phew, back where it started from the day you first saw it then, with me on
board <g>

Regards
Kit (a lot less pessimistic now)

Paul, Kit, etc...

Good news, indeed. I was at the NRM last Wednesday and was quite
concerned to see TC2 missing from the Works.

A quick glance outside put my mind at rest! The rest of the train was
still in it's usual position, still not painted fully...

Are we still on for Saturday?

Regards,
Adam Warr, Peterborough UK
Electra Railway Graphics
www.electrarailwaygraphics.com
Fotopic Site:
http://www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net/


-----Original Message-----
From: Kit Spackman [mailto:101453.3657@...]
Sent: 17 August 2004 15:24
To: INTERNET:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> E-Train move


Paul,

>I have been drafted as a support person about the split and move.<

Sanity prevails at last!

>The train is being split using the origional lifting gear, yes, they
>have found it, and then by waffer super low loader to Shildon.<

It can't have been difficult, the brackets are 6 ft high and painted
bright yellow after all! All it needed was someone to look for them, or
be allowed to look for them anyway....

>Its TC2 thats outside of the Great Hall, not PC2 (dont worry Kit).<

Phew, back where it started from the day you first saw it then, with me
on board <g>

Regards
Kit (a lot less pessimistic now)




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Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi Adam,
Yes, still planning on attending on Saturday, do a few last time
jobs before the move.

This "WILL" be the last time anhone will get chance to see her at
York.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Warr"
<adam.warr@n...> wrote:

> Paul, Kit, etc...
>
> Good news, indeed. I was at the NRM last Wednesday and was quite
> concerned to see TC2 missing from the Works.
>
> A quick glance outside put my mind at rest! The rest of the train

was

> still in it's usual position, still not painted fully...
>
> Are we still on for Saturday?
>
> Regards,
> Adam Warr, Peterborough UK
> Electra Railway Graphics
> www.electrarailwaygraphics.com
> Fotopic Site:
> http://www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kit Spackman [mailto:101453.3657@c...]
> Sent: 17 August 2004 15:24
> To: INTERNET:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> E-Train move
>
>
> Paul,
>
> >I have been drafted as a support person about the split and move.<
>
> Sanity prevails at last!
>
> >The train is being split using the origional lifting gear, yes,

they

> >have found it, and then by waffer super low loader to Shildon.<
>
> It can't have been difficult, the brackets are 6 ft high and

painted

> bright yellow after all! All it needed was someone to look for

them, or

> be allowed to look for them anyway....
>
> >Its TC2 thats outside of the Great Hall, not PC2 (dont worry

Kit).<

>
> Phew, back where it started from the day you first saw it then,

with me

> on board <g>
>
> Regards
> Kit (a lot less pessimistic now)
>
>
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links

British Locomotives of the 20th Century

This auction is for a copy of "British Locomotives of the 20th
Century, Volume 3,( 1960 to the present day.)"by O.S.Nock.

In hardback format, complete with dust jacket, this book is in very
good condition apart from one 1.5 cm 'biro' line inside the front
cover, and a few indentations to the front of the dust jacket.

It measures approx. 20.5 cm by 24.5cm and contains 257 pages of
information highlighted by many black and white photo's and detailed
engineering drawings, describing the period from the coming of the
diesels to the Advanced Passenger Train.

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Bathmatus

Hi All,
Just a quick note to say that the August workday has had to be
called off due to NRM constraints before the train is ready to be
moved to Shildon.

Ive updated the website and will keep you all posted as an when new
workdays are sorted out.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, York

Hi All,
Ive just posted some new photographs of APT-E with her paint job
completed, she just needs her logos re-doing now, she looks great.

http://www.apt-e.org/repaint/repaint.htm

Cheers

Paul

She looks absolutley cracking!

Any more news on the move?

Regards,
Adam Warr, Peterborough UK
Electra Railway Graphics
www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
Fotopic Site:
http://www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net/

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Leadley [mailto:PAUL@...]
Sent: 05 September 2004 13:55
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> APT-E Re-paint..........COMPLETED!


Hi All,
Ive just posted some new photographs of APT-E with her paint job
completed, she just needs her logos re-doing now, she looks great.

http://www.apt-e.org/repaint/repaint.htm

Cheers

Paul





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Yahoo! Groups Links

Is it just me, or does that middle photo looking up at the nose look like
some strange creature pulling funny faces and poking it's tongue out?

Excellent paint job tho. Looks fantastic.
Cheers,

Tim.

http://tims-pics.fotopic.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Warr [mailto:adam.warr@...]
Sent: 06 September 2004 10:14
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: <APT Group> APT-E Re-paint..........COMPLETED!


She looks absolutley cracking!

Any more news on the move?

Regards,
Adam Warr, Peterborough UK
Electra Railway Graphics
www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
Fotopic Site:
http://www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net/

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Leadley [mailto:PAUL@...]
Sent: 05 September 2004 13:55
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> APT-E Re-paint..........COMPLETED!


Hi All,
Ive just posted some new photographs of APT-E with her paint job
completed, she just needs her logos re-doing now, she looks great.

http://www.apt-e.org/repaint/repaint.htm

Cheers

Paul





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Hi All,
TC2 was taken from the works yard and shunted into the North car
park and its being low loaded today, and off she goes.

The event didnt go without many problems.....will try and post
photos on the E train website tonight.

Good news, Kit is coming to York tomorrow to assist with the train
move and split.

I will keep you all posted.

Regards

Paul

Not sure about that one!

As far as I have been told , the P train was owned by the NRM, but
they didnt want it so gave it to the Railway Age, Im sure Rob can
sort all this out.

Later, the NRM decided that it was better to give the train away,
and did so, but wanted to keep one powercar for the National
Collection.

Pete Waterman, has said many times, that he owns the APT, both at
York and Crewe, HE DOESNT!

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Appleton"
<AndyAppleton@b...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have just spoken to a friend of mine who said that the APT-P was

on TV last night, Tues. It was on 'Discovery Science' just before
8pm.

>
> He said that he only caught the last few minutes of the program

which showed some archive footage of the P-train that he has never
seen before, also, more interestingly it showed an interview with
Pete Waterman at the Railway Age, Crewe. Pete was talking about the
APT project & said that when BR passed the P-train onto the Railway
Age one of the conditions was that it mustn't be shown to anyone for
ten years - especially the Germans as they were after the tilting
technology - this is the first time I have heard this, did anyone
else see the TV program / can anyone confirm Pete Waterman's
statement?

>
> Cheers,
> Andy

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Leadley

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:02 PM

Subject: <APT Group> Re: APT-P on TV / Question

Not sure about that one!

As far as I have been told , the P train was owned by the NRM, but
they didnt want it so gave it to the Railway Age, Im sure Rob can
sort all this out.

Later, the NRM decided that it was better to give the train away,
and did so, but wanted to keep one powercar for the National
Collection.

Pete Waterman, has said many times, that he owns the APT, both at
York and Crewe, HE DOESNT!

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Appleton"
<AndyAppleton@b...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just spoken to a friend of mine who said that the APT-P was
on TV last night, Tues. It was on 'Discovery Science' just before
8pm.
>
> He said that he only caught the last few minutes of the program
which showed some archive footage of the P-train that he has never
seen before, also, more interestingly it showed an interview with
Pete Waterman at the Railway Age, Crewe. Pete was talking about the
APT project & said that when BR passed the P-train onto the Railway
Age one of the conditions was that it mustn't be shown to anyone for
ten years - especially the Germans as they were after the tilting
technology - this is the first time I have heard this, did anyone
else see the TV program / can anyone confirm Pete Waterman's
statement?
>
> Cheers,
> Andy



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/links

>conditions was that it mustn't be shown to anyone for ten years -

especially the >Germans as they were after the tilting technology - this is
the first time I have heard >this, did anyone else see the TV program / can
anyone confirm Pete Waterman's >statement?<

Usual load of cobblers..............

Neither the Germans nor anyone else had to 'steal' the tiliting technology,
the sale of BR gave it to anyone with the cash on a plate!

Having said that, it wasn't not exactly rocket science, it needed
application and money and a bunch of people who had the basic knowledge and
enthusiasm and who wanted to do it though.

Before I joined BR, while working in the motor industry, a couple of my
colleagues and I worked out how to do it over coffee break one day. All
this after reading about the project in the press. At my interview for BR I
took my sketches of the 'coffee break idea' with me and they asked me where
I'd seen the design <g>

Regards
Kit

Evening All,

I plan on detailing and extending my Hornby APT. I also intend to
utilise the "left-overs" to create models of the proposed APT powered
driving trailers so I can ring the changes.

Was wondering if anyone had any more info/diagrams than there is on
APT.com?

Replies gratefully received by me...and possibly another modeller
from the Britrail Yahoo-group who I've suggested should try the same
thing!!

Also - has anyone got a decent overhead photo of the regular APT-P
power car roof clearly showing arrangments of the various power
cables, etc?

Happy to pay reasonable reproduction and postage if it can't be sent
electronically.

Many Thanks,

Malcolm

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ASK THE NRM THE QUESTION THAT 'HAD THEY
GOT THE OUTPOST AT SHILDON IN 1988 WHOULD THEY HAVE KEPT APT-P THERE
RATHER THAN LET IT ROT AT CREWE'

Bathmatus

YET ANOTHER APT BIBLE ON EBAY -

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AND LEAFLET -

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Bathmatus

> Evening All,

Apologies for shuffling your points :)

> Also - has anyone got a decent overhead photo of the regular APT-P
> power car roof clearly showing arrangments of the various power
> cables, etc?

I've been collecting information about this for the model I'm making - some
of it might be useful to you. I'll have a look through it when I get home
and mail any relevant bits over.

> I also intend to utilise the "left-overs" to create models of the
> proposed APT powered driving trailers so I can ring the changes.

> Was wondering if anyone had any more info/diagrams than there is on
> APT-P.com?

I don't have anything on the driving motors - as none were made, it's a bit
of a guessing game. I'd have thought a Driving Trailer nose on the front of
a power car (possibly with only three motors and cardan shafts due to one
needing the space where the cab now is) would be a good estimation.
apt-p.com shows this as an 'EDP3/1'. (Their 'EDP4' would require much
modification to the internal arrangement - and is more like a class 91 with
APT styling than an actual APT motor car.)

Problem with the EDP3/1 is it only has 3000hp, so a 1+10+1 or 1+12+1 car
train (as they suggest) needs one at each end. This is what the APT
Designers were trying to avoid by putting the power car in the middle. Given
that the squadron sets would have had the Brecknell-Willis pantograph from
new, and that this is a lot kinder to the overhead than the original APT
pantograph, maybe two pantographs up would have been possible?

Sticking with something more like the APT-P design, I like the idea of the
DVT in the APT-Q - this would provide a plausible 'continued use' set, had
service continued with the trains that had been built.

I also like the idea of a driving half-motor - literally half a motor car
plus half a driving trailer. This isn't listed on apt-p.com, but coupled to
an NDM, would allow a 10+2 car rake with all the passenger accomodation
together, still approaching the performance of the 6+2+6 APT-P rake. The DHM
would have two motors and cardan shafts to the rear bogey, the front bogey
being the front one off a driving trailer. This car may or may not have a
pantograph, but would have the cable connection to an NDM coupled behind, in
the same way two NDM's are connected together. The pair of driving half
motor and non-driving motor would generate 6000hp, which would be well
enough for the 10 passenger cars.

OTOH, what about an NDM+EDP3/1 combination? 7000hp would get you that
headlining 150mph with 12 passenger cars on the back.

Needless to say, I want to represent the cars that were actually produced
first, so I haven't given a huge amount of thought to how any of the
proposed cars would be constructed...

James Moody
--
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\ \ / ) | ICQ: 7000473
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|/ _)| ) | No more can they keep us in
( (|_| ) | Listen, damn it, we will win
\ / | They see it right, they see it well
|====| | But they think this saves us from our hell

I saw the APT-P at the Railway Age yesterday & it looked in a right
old state!! I think Pete Waterman should spend some of his money
(I'm sure he has loads!) on looking after the APT-P before it falls
to pieces...

Ian

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "bathmatus"
<bathmatus@y...> wrote:

> IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ASK THE NRM THE QUESTION THAT 'HAD THEY
> GOT THE OUTPOST AT SHILDON IN 1988 WHOULD THEY HAVE KEPT APT-P

THERE

> RATHER THAN LET IT ROT AT CREWE'
>
> Bathmatus

Hi All,
Both me and Kit have helped the NRM with the dispatch of TC2 today.

Will post pictures and video, when I get the time.

Anyway...............She is on her way.

Just the rest to sort out now.

Regards

Paul and Kit

IF APT-P IS IN A RIGHT OLD STATE AT CREWE PERHAPS THE NRM WILL
RECLAIM IT AND MOVE IT TO SAFETY AT SHILDON ALONG SIDE THE APT-E

Bathmatus

JUST FOUND A PICTURE OF THE NRM POWERCAR ON THERE WEBSITE

http://www.nrm.org.uk/html/locomotion_pb/latest.asp

CLICK TO ENLARGE IT

WHAT A STATE - IS THE ONE AT CREWE THIS BAD ?


Bathmatus

One for you Paul - shall we get to work on this one, too?

Regards,
Adam Warr, Peterborough UK
Electra Railway Graphics
www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
Fotopic Site:
http://www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net/

-----Original Message-----
From: bathmatus [mailto:bathmatus@...]
Sent: 10 September 2004 13:48
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> APT-P POWERCAR


JUST FOUND A PICTURE OF THE NRM POWERCAR ON THERE WEBSITE

http://www.nrm.org.uk/html/locomotion_pb/latest.asp

CLICK TO ENLARGE IT

WHAT A STATE - IS THE ONE AT CREWE THIS BAD ?


Bathmatus




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----- Original Message -----

JUST FOUND A PICTURE OF THE NRM POWERCAR ON THERE WEBSITE

http://www.nrm.org.uk/html/locomotion_pb/latest.asp

Some of you may remember that in 1989 the BBC transmitted a short
series called "BBC Railwatch" that concentrated on the day-to-day
running of British Rail. The series consisted of five 45 minute live
programs, one each day from Monday 13/02/1989 to Friday 17/02/1989,
which were presented by Mike Smith.

I was having a clearout recently and I found my tape consisting of
episodes two to five. Episodes two and five are the best, with the
latter being of particular interest here.

During episode five, Paul Coyer interviews David Rollin (Projects
Director, InterCity 225) at Bounds Green about the 'new' class 91
locomotive, the "Electra". The interview starts thus:

Paul Coyer: It's now [been] four years since you sat down without a
clue what to do, but what brief had you been given?
David Rollin: My boss, the director of InterCity, said "I'm spending
306 million pounds electrifying the East Coast Main Line, I want 31
sets of traction and rolling stock, and I want them by May 1991 the
latest. I also want some for the Leeds service by October 1989."

After a few minutes talking about the class 91, this comment is made:

Paul Coyer: Now this is all very good and great and it looks
terrific, but the last time you lot blew your fanfare trumpets was
for the APT, which was a failure wasn't it. Have you learnt anything
from that?
David Rollin: Oh absolutely. It wasn't a total failure; knowledge is
never lost, and we've incorporated a lot of that knowledge in the
performance specification for this beast.

Later in the episode, focus is transferred to the BR Railway
Technical Centre (RTC) at Derby. This part of the program consists of
(amongst other things):

1) An explanation of the function of the RTC by none other than Dr
Alan Wickens (Decorator of Engineering Development and Research)!
2) Footage of the test track and wind tunnel at Mickleover, including
an interview with Clive Pope (Deputy Head of Aerodynamics Unit) about
long noses on the front of trains.
3) An interview with Roy Hartle (Head of Instrumentation Services)
from within 'Argus' (converted MkIII buffet car).

Also in the episode is a short piece of footage of the 'new' MkIV
coach under test, and Mike Smith points out that the sides of the
coach are tapered at the top to allow a tilting mechanism to be added
at a later date. Fat chance!

The 'high-tech' computers they were all using look a bit dodgy.

OH CRAP! My sincere apologise to Dr Alan Wickens. He was not
the "Decorator" of Engineering Development & Research, but
the "Director". Stupid spell checker.

Please forgive me.

I've added a recording of Paul Coyer's comment about APT being
a "failure" to the files section.

Brian,

>If the power car, which has been left to rot was part of the original

train then why the >heck have they not kept the train complete??? This is
pure vandalism as APT is >now sadly part of history, there were plenty of
other trains they could have kept >parts from.

>Am I am really being strupid but why did NRM not keep P train for

displaying with >the E train as it was all part of the same project, after
all I believe they have a >model of P train??? surely it would make sence
to have had the entire train set >there including POP train to tell the
story?? <

After working on E-Train for the last few days solid and having seen and
heard the attitude of a lot of the staff there, it's good thing the NRM
DIDN'T have P-Trian at York. They'd have treated it to the same 'tender
loving care' that they gave E-Train, ie. leave it in the furthest distant
siding possible and hope it would rust away.......

The practical reason is there probably wasn't room for it anyway. There are
no roads at the NRM anywhere that are even vaguely long enough to take the
smallest P-Train and Rob's site is not only a zillion times better from
that aspect, but more appropriate as it's next to the WCML.

Regards
Kit

Hi All,
After the hard work both myself and Kit have put in on APT-E over
this week, its time to see whats been going on.

Ive posted a major update to the E train site with lots of
photographs and video of the TC2 move.

There should be a first for E train during the coming week!!!!!!

Shall we tell them Kit??? MORE TO COME!

Anyway see,

http://www.apt-e.org/onthemove/tc2.htm

I hope you enjoy.

Regards

Paul

> There should be a first for E train during the coming week!!!!!!
> Shall we tell them Kit???

Tell us what?

Ian

Paul,

>Shall we tell them Kit???<

Not likely! They'll all be up there as well! <G>

Regards
Kit

----- Original Message -----

 

>Shall we tell them Kit???<

Not likely! They'll all be up there as well!

Don't tell me you've already moved the rest of the train???

Regards,
Adam Warr, Peterborough UK
Electra Railway Graphics
www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
Fotopic Site:
http://www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net/

-----Original Message-----
From: Kit Spackman [mailto:101453.3657@...]
Sent: 12 September 2004 16:00
To: INTERNET:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> Surprise them <g>


Paul,

>Shall we tell them Kit???<

Not likely! They'll all be up there as well! <G>

Regards
Kit




Yahoo! Groups Links

Well, thats got you all going................................

Any Ideas as to whats gonna happen?

Regards

Paul

>>Any Ideas as to whats gonna happen?

1) One of the power cars will be temporarily put on display in the
Main Hall of the NRM?

2) The train will be dragged/moved by a rare loco?

3) PC1 & PC2 will be directly joined together?

Am I getting close?
Ian

Nice ideas......... warm!

All will be revealed at the weekend, pictures and photos.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Ellis"
<ianellis_68@h...> wrote:

> >>Any Ideas as to whats gonna happen?
>
> 1) One of the power cars will be temporarily put on display in the
> Main Hall of the NRM?
>
> 2) The train will be dragged/moved by a rare loco?
>
> 3) PC1 & PC2 will be directly joined together?
>
> Am I getting close?
> Ian