>>Would be nice for the APT Group to publish its own fund raising video

featuring all APT films.

Sounds good to me!

Count me in,
Andy

Attachments :

Attached is a recent photo of the Miniature APT at Lappa Valley (Newquay,
Cornwall). I had GREAT pleasure travelling on this fine train, a visit to
Lappa Valley is highly recommended if you are ever in the area.

Enjoy!
Andy

Copyright © 2003 A Appleton

http://www.apt-p.com/MardykeAPT.htm

This badly needs saving and repainting back into an APT colour scheme.

Was this the only one ever made or are there more of these beautiful
machines?


Andrew

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Appleton"
<AndyAppleton@b...> wrote:

> I've posted several more photos of the mini-APT to the 'Photos'

section:

>
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/advanced-passenger-

train/lst?.dir=/Miniature+APT+(Lappa+Valley+Cornwall)
&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

>
> Enjoy!
> Andy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: andrew_walker6 [mailto:andrew.walker6@...]
> Sent: 03 September 2003 11:34
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> Re: Miniature APT at Lappa Valley (more photos!)
>
>
> This badly needs saving and repainting back into an APT colour scheme.
>
> Was this the only one ever made or are there more of these beautiful
> machines?
>
>
> Andrew
>

Nope, Mardyke only made the one, he did however build a lot of other BR
outline locos in the same guage.

Nick

Hello,

I was recently chatting to a fellow rail enthusiast at York who told me that
the 'City of Derby' nameplate carried by APT-P power car 49003 was also
carried by a HST power car after the APT-P project was scrapped, Is this
true or was this guy winding me up?

If this information is correct, why was this 'unique' nameplate given to a
HST power car? which HST power car carried it? and where is the nameplate
now?

Cheers,
Ian

_________________________________________________________________
It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hi Ian,

The "City of Derby" plate was, indeed, carried by an HST - 43084 I
think. I think it was felt more appropriate to have the plate on a power
car which was dedicated to the Midland Main Line. I remember seeing it
around St. Pancras in the late 80s, painted in InterCity Exec livery.

Regards,
Adam Warr
Electra Railway Graphics
www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Ellis [mailto:ianellis_68@...]
Sent: 23 September 2003 18:59
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> APT 'City of Derby' Nameplate on 125/HST?


Hello,

I was recently chatting to a fellow rail enthusiast at York who told me
that
the 'City of Derby' nameplate carried by APT-P power car 49003 was also
carried by a HST power car after the APT-P project was scrapped, Is this

true or was this guy winding me up?

If this information is correct, why was this 'unique' nameplate given to
a
HST power car? which HST power car carried it? and where is the
nameplate
now?

Cheers,
Ian

_________________________________________________________________
It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

It was actually 43107 that was called City of Derby
cheers Phil

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 06:59 pm, Ian Ellis wrote:

> where is the nameplate now?

Derby Industrial Museum - railway room (1st floor)

Regards

Nick

An unhealthly early good morning to you all,

I intend to improve the Hornby APT models (the primary reason for my
joining this group to be completely honest) and am on the lookout for
good reference plans, photo's etc.

Can anyone recommend sites/books/articles other than APT-P.com for
big photo's (colour and well lit/slightly over exposed so the hidden
details show up!)??

Also is there a special trick to get into the files of 3mm scale
drawings referred to in an earlier post as being in the Files section
as these sound really useful but I can't find them!!!

TIA

Malcolm

…how we will miss you, like APT.

I was up in York on 19th September watching people work on the APT-E. Keep
up the good work guys!

Is there any plans to move it to Shildon or display it inside at York?

Regards

Andy

Hi Any,
The ultimate aim is to move E train to Shildon when it opens and
display it to its best, maybe with exhibition and so fourth, whats
what we would like in the support group.

There will be a new support group update post in the next few days
with luck, www.apt-e.org

I am going to create a new section on the website called "MAYBE for
display" with details on how we want E train displayed and maybe any
ideas, "when I get the time".

Powercar 2 (PC2) is nearing bodywork repair completion, a few more
panels and then for a repaint, she will look wonderful.


Watch this space!

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, York


--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew & Michelle
Walker" <andrew.walker6@n...> wrote:

> I was up in York on 19th September watching people work on the APT-

E. Keep

> up the good work guys!
>
> Is there any plans to move it to Shildon or display it inside at

York?

>
> Regards
>
> Andy

Hello Everyone,

I recently came across a APT poster for sale at ebay. I have never seen one
like it before & thought to myself I bet this poster sells for around �20. I
have just checked the final bid and it sold for �47.50 - yes, �47.50 for a
poster!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1445&item=2195796792

Ian

_________________________________________________________________
Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

I imagine the APT-E will be moved by road on a low-loader convoy as it would
need to be certified by Network Rail to even be hauled by rail, and that
would actually end up costing more and taking more time than it would to
arrange road haulage.

Rich Mackin
http://www.railwayscene.co.uk/

For a bigger version of the picture on the poster see -

http://www.apt-p.com/APTadvert.htm

PS The black and white version was taken from a newspaper
advertisement accompanied by the text as shown below.

PPS See how many differences between the colour and B&W versions you
can spot.


Rob

Sorry - forgot to ask !

Has anyone any idea of who the artist of these two pictures might be ?


Best Wishes

Rob

A couple of weeks ago I took some photos of the large and hugely
impressive APT-P model which may be of interest.

It's located at the entrance to the Railway Engineering Gallery on the
first floor of the Derby Industrial Museum, located in the Old Silk
Mill.

http://www.wheaty.co.uk/apt/apt.html

Regards

Nick

To my surprise, the APT-P model at the Derby Industrial Museum shows two men
driving the train. I though that APT had only one chair in the driving room
and that this was one of the reasons for complaints of the Unions: they
wanted to keep the system of a two men crew.
Am I right?
Regards,

Jose Maria

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Wheat [mailto:wheaty@...]
Sent: terca-feira, 28 de Outubro de 2003 21:01
To: advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> APT-P Model - Derby Industrial Museum


A couple of weeks ago I took some photos of the large and hugely
impressive APT-P model which may be of interest.

It's located at the entrance to the Railway Engineering Gallery on the
first floor of the Derby Industrial Museum, located in the Old Silk
Mill.

http://www.wheaty.co.uk/apt/apt.html

Regards

Nick



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Great pics Nick!

What scale is this model? When/where was it made?

Take Care,
Andy

On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 08:21 pm, Andy Appleton wrote:

> Great pics Nick!
>
> What scale is this model? When/where was it made?

Don't know when it was made but looks like it was at least repainted
with the black window era (1982?). Suggest it was made by the RTC
concurrently or immediately prior to the 12":1ft scale version.

The scale is large! Don't know precisely but the Action men crew should
give an impression of scale.

Finally, with regards to the other email, there were 2 crew positions
in ATP-P - it was APT-E that had a single position and caused union
trouble. That and a lack of side windows similar to the HST prototype.

Also in the 'ante-room' was a lovely cutaway model of a blue Class 44
(which I regrettably didn't get chance to photograph) of only a
slightly smaller scale.

Regards

Nick

>Finally, with regards to the other email, there were 2 crew positions in

ATP-P - it was APT-E that had a single >position and caused union trouble.
That and a lack of side windows similar to the HST prototype.<

E-Train was built with one main central seat for the driver, thus causing
the problems that Nick mentions, and two folding jump seats for
'supernumaries'. These were mounted on the back wall of the cab, just
inside the entry doors, but after the union 'Agreement' was reached, which
meant the train had to carry a Second Man as well, a fourth folding jump
seat was added, mounted on the door that led back into the engine
compartment. This was needed because we had to have an Inspector in the
cab, plus a Field Trials member as well.

Those of us who were testing the train were not allowed to talk directly to
the Inspector, we had to talk to the FT guy over our internal intercom, who
then spoke to the Inspector, usually sitting next door, who then in turn
told the Driver what to do...............

If all this sounds a little archaic and time consuming, it was! Came from
the same set of Rules that meant we had to carry an oil lamp on the rear of
the train.

Such is progress.

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Kit Spackman
<101453.3657@c...> wrote:

>
> If all this sounds a little archaic and time consuming, it was! Came from
> the same set of Rules that meant we had to carry an oil lamp on the rear of
> the train.

Where the lamp irons on APT-E ? !!!!! ;-)

Was there ever consideration to provide 4 character indicators on the front as the first
designs would have been pre-1976 when the practice was discontinued?

Nick

Hi Nick,

>Where the lamp irons on APT-E ? !!!!! ;-)<

Sure were, and they're still there! On the bottom edge of the yellow inset
bit of both cabs there is a short flat part, maybe 3" deep and 2 ft wide.
There is a slot moulded into the left hand edge of the flat so that a
rectangular bar about 3" wide and a foot long can be inserted and the
ubiquitous BR oil lamp slotted onto it in turn. This had to be religiously
swapped to the other end of the train every time we changed ends, even when
we had sole occupation of the Old Dalby test track, and the next nearest
train was 15 miles away!

Not only are the slots still there, but the lamp bar (iron......) is in the
tool shelves in TC1, or it was the last time Paul and I looked. You can see
the oil lamp blazing away in some of my photos on Paul's web site, notably
the one taken early in the morning at Uffington Loop during the 150 mph
tests.

>Was there ever consideration to provide 4 character indicators on the

front as the first designs would have been >pre-1976 when the practice was
discontinued?<

I don't recall any like that, possibly because it would have compromised
the aerodynamics of the cabs. I suppose a 'slanted' version might have been
possible, with distorted characters so they looked correct from dead ahead,
but I don't think it was ever a consideration. Having said that, all of
E-Train's movements had a train code allocated even though it did not
appear on the train. 1T20 or 1T24 was our usual code.

Regards
Kit

Interesting looking train. You may have heard of
Bombardier's "JetTrain" built in the USA a year or two ago; here's an
actual jet-engine-propelled train from Ohio, USA from almost 40 years
ago:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20031114/NEWS11/111140112

>Interesting looking train. You may have heard of Bombardier's "JetTrain"

built in the USA a year or two ago; >here's an actual jet-engine-propelled
train from Ohio, USA from almost 40 years ago:<

That was a standard Budd RDC car with the diesels and transmission removed
and the engine pod from a Boeing B-47 Stratojet strapped onto the roof.

For those of you into aircraft, it was the same pod as fitted to the
outboard sections of the B-36 Peacemaker. With that sort of horsepower and
zero friction I'm amazed it didn't take off!

Regards
Kit

ADVANCED PASSENGER TRAIN The official illustrated account of British
Rail's revolutionary new 155mph train

See

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2206628939

Happy bidding !

Hi everyone

This may interest someone...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2208757198&category=1445

Nick

Hello,

Does anyone know if the APT-E will be moved from outside the NRM to the
indoors of Shildon? If so, how will it be moved and when will it all happen?

TIA,
Ian

_________________________________________________________________
Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Ian,

Yes she is, later next year. The move will be by road, with the set
being split and taken by low-loader.

It will be the first time in at least 25 years that the full 4-car set
will be back together again.

Regards,
Adam Warr
Electra Railway Graphics
Website: www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
Railway Photos: www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Ellis [mailto:ianellis_68@...]
Sent: 27 December 2003 16:29
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> APT-E Moving To Shildon?


Hello,

Does anyone know if the APT-E will be moved from outside the NRM to the
indoors of Shildon? If so, how will it be moved and when will it all
happen?

TIA,
Ian

_________________________________________________________________
Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/links

Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Advanced-Passenger-Train-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> with the set being split and taken by low-loader.<

And that is the nub of the matter..............

'Splitting' E-Train isn't anywhere near as easy as people seem to think it
is, let alone the process of putting the 4-car set back together again. The
issue hasn't been helped by the lack of access to the store of parts and
tools that exist somewhere in the NRM. Paul and I spent ages trying to get
access to these with singular lack of success.

It's really essential that this happens prior to making firm plans and
dates, etc about splitting the train. The first essentials are the six
'hooks' that are needed to lif the power cars safely. Without them the
structure of the power cars risk damage if they are lifted in the wrong
places, and an APT-E power car doesn't have a structure like a Class 45 or
a 50. You can't just bung a couple of lifting beams under any old flat bit
and hoist away, you'll be left with a mass of twisted steel tube and
aluminium skin..........

Regards
Kit (whos done it a few times already)

Sounds very interesting!!! I would really like to see (and photograph) the
separation/transportation of E-Train, would I be right in assuming details
of the date(s) etc.. will be posted as and when they become available?

Thanks,
Ian

_________________________________________________________________
Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Having done a few stints with Paul on the restoration and seen the
E-Train close up, I think the move should be one of the railway
highlights of 2004!

AFAIK, no firm date has been set for the move, unless anybody knows any
better.

Regards,
Adam Warr
Electra Railway Graphics
Website: www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
Railway Photos: www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Ellis [mailto:ianellis_68@...]
Sent: 28 December 2003 19:50
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> Re: Moving E-Train


Sounds very interesting!!! I would really like to see (and photograph)
the
separation/transportation of E-Train, would I be right in assuming
details
of the date(s) etc.. will be posted as and when they become available?

Thanks,
Ian

_________________________________________________________________
Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger
http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/links


Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
Advanced-Passenger-Train-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hi all, Happy New Year.

As soon as its all been arranged, I will post on the support group
website. Yes, it should be very interesting to see.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Warr"
<adam.warr@n...> wrote:

> Having done a few stints with Paul on the restoration and seen the
> E-Train close up, I think the move should be one of the railway
> highlights of 2004!
>
> AFAIK, no firm date has been set for the move, unless anybody

knows any

> better.
>
> Regards,
> Adam Warr
> Electra Railway Graphics
> Website: www.electrarailwaygraphics.co.uk
> Railway Photos: www.adamsphotos.fotopic.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Ellis [mailto:ianellis_68@h...]
> Sent: 28 December 2003 19:50
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> Re: Moving E-Train
>
>
> Sounds very interesting!!! I would really like to see (and

photograph)

> the
> separation/transportation of E-Train, would I be right in assuming
> details
> of the date(s) etc.. will be posted as and when they become

available?

>
> Thanks,
> Ian
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger
> http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/links
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced-Passenger-Train/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Advanced-Passenger-Train-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

A copy of 'A promise unfulfilled' (Ian Allan Ltd. ISBN 0 7110 1474 4
Leonard Hugh Williams © 1985) is for sale on eBay, currently at
£19.00 -


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2216717318


Happy Bidding


Rob

A copy of 'BRITISH RAIL FLEET SURVEY 5 High Speed Trains' (Ian Allan
Ltd. ISBN 0 7110 1297 0 Brian Haresnape © 1983) is for sale on eBay,
currently £1.70 See -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2217923843

Happy bidding


Rob

A Promise Unfulfilled for sale on eBay see -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2221459675


Happy bidding !


Rob
www.apt-p.com

Dear Yahoo! Groups Members,

Due to a recent outbreak of computer viruses being transmitted via
email messages, Yahoo! Groups is experiencing delays in delivering
group messages. To improve performance, and to help reduce the spread
of viruses, Yahoo! Groups has had to temporarily reject some
messages.

For full details visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/local/service.html

Attachments :

This is what a gas turbine out of the E-Train looks like (in 'The
Works' at the NRM last weekend).

Nick

--

Attachments :

The restoration team!

Nick (apologies for the shadowy figure!)

--