Hi guys
I'm after a bit of help here i'm trying to get hold of a video
called " APT STORY" just wondering if anyone can offer me any help or
know where I might get a copy from, or any other APT videos for that
matter as they are a bit hard to find these days.

Cheers for any help
Phil

THE APT STORY was released on a VHS Tape by a company called BCL
Films and consisted of the films E For Experimental and A Round Trip
To Glasgow.

They are no longer available on video and the rights are held by the
BFI.

Sorry I can't be of more help.


Rob
www.apt-p.com

It would be VERY naughty, but I have a copy of this, and it is possible to copy VHS....... Having said this, i would NEVER condone copyright theft, ot take part in any illegal action myself.

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Hello,

Just found this interesting news article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/travel/story/tilting_train/comments.shtml

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Hi

The first page is http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/travel/story/tilting_train/index.shtml

This seems to be a rehash of an item posted on the web a while ago when the Pendolinos had their first Press presentation. Some of the words are my own after I contacted BBC North to correct some misleading statements in the first draft. (In fact you'll see an acknowledgement at the bottom left of page 1)

Regards to all

Gerry Bates

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On 16/05/03 at 16:51 Ian Ellis wrote:

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>http://www.bbc.co.uk/northyorkshire/travel/story/tilting_train/comments.shtml
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>This seems to be a rehash of an item posted on the web a while ago when

the Pendolinos had their first Press >presentation. Some of the words are
my own after I contacted BBC North to correct some misleading statements

>in the first draft. (In fact you'll see an acknowledgement at the bottom

left of page 1)<

I'm pretty impressed with that piece! Makes a nice change after years if
ill informed comment, speculation and rumour mongering. Good thing you put
them right Gerry. <g>

Regards
Kit

Hello.

Have two APT-Ps ever passed each other, and does a picture of such an
event exist?

Thanks.

Alan,

>Have two APT-Ps ever passed each other, and does a picture of such an

event exist?<

I'm pretty sure they have.

I can remember seeing such a photo taken outside Glasgow Central a year or
so after the original APT Service was suspended. The tone of the caption, I
think in Modern Railways, was that they were suprised that two P Trains
should be capable of movment at the same time, but they always were a bit
cynical.

There's a number of photos of two P Trains outside Shields Depot, one shows
all three of them I think, but maybe that doesn't quite fit with your
specification.

Regards
Kit

Attachments :

Attached is a photo, unfortunately very small, of two P-Trains at Crewe ETD.
I downloaded it from Rob's site (www.APT-P.com) four years ago.

Take Care,
Andy

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Alan,

>Have two APT-Ps ever passed each other, and does a picture of such an
event exist?<

I'm pretty sure they have.

I can remember seeing such a photo taken outside Glasgow Central a year or
so after the original APT Service was suspended. The tone of the caption, I
think in Modern Railways, was that they were suprised that two P Trains
should be capable of movment at the same time, but they always were a bit
cynical.

There's a number of photos of two P Trains outside Shields Depot, one shows
all three of them I think, but maybe that doesn't quite fit with your
specification.

Regards
Kit

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On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 04:44 pm, Andy Appleton wrote:

> I've just purchased a new DVD 'British Rail Remembered' part one. It
> contains a couple of minutes of APT footage, two power cars on test at
> Crewe & a 5 car set being towed by 37101 at Blakestone Lane.

There's some excellent BTF footage of the E train at Derby (I think the
first sequence is coming round the curve from Chaddesden Sidings) and
at Loughborough on TVP's "British Railways Traction Archive"

The tape is nearly all 35mm shot BTF footage and is hugely recommended.
Expect to pay 12.95 GBP new.

The E Train clip (shhhhh!) is as follows. It's 2.5 meg but of high
quality (as Real Player goes)

http://www.derby.org/wheaty/APT-E.rm

Nick

Just got around to downloading the E train video clip, FANTASTIC..

Well done Nick.

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com, Nick Wheat
<wheaty@d...> wrote:

>
> On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 04:44 pm, Andy Appleton wrote:
>
> > I've just purchased a new DVD 'British Rail Remembered' part

one. It

> > contains a couple of minutes of APT footage, two power cars on

test at

> > Crewe & a 5 car set being towed by 37101 at Blakestone Lane.
>
> There's some excellent BTF footage of the E train at Derby (I

think the

> first sequence is coming round the curve from Chaddesden Sidings)

and

> at Loughborough on TVP's "British Railways Traction Archive"
>
> The tape is nearly all 35mm shot BTF footage and is hugely

recommended.

> Expect to pay 12.95 GBP new.
>
> The E Train clip (shhhhh!) is as follows. It's 2.5 meg but of high
> quality (as Real Player goes)
>
> http://www.derby.org/wheaty/APT-E.rm
>
> Nick

Attachments :

In 1969, British Transport Films produced a film called "Advanced
Passenger Train". This has never been commercially released. Indeed, it
never even rated a mention in the BTF Library catalogues!

However, the late John Betjeman (Poet Laureate) presented a film in
1970 for BTF called 'Railways Forever' which looked at the glories of
steam and looked ahead to the future.

Fortunately, a very brief clip of the 1969 film is included and shows
the original APT concept in model form. The clip is attached - blink
and you'll miss it!

Nick

WHat were the individual car numbers of the set which established the
British speed record in 1979

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> I wouldn't be surprised if this very rare "excellent" book sold for
> £35+.
>  
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A pal bought a copy at Crewe Open Day for 15 quid - lucky!

Nick

A seldom seen APT-P phonecard on eBay Buy It Now for £5.75 (much
cheaper than I've seen on phonecard websites) !


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Best wishes

Rob

Hi,

I've uploaded drawings ive produced of the APTP NDM and DTS cars.
There are full size and 66% ones that are better for viewing in one
screen. Please don't use these on a website without contacting me -
first aja2XXX@... (please removed the XXXs, thats just to
stop spammers.) Heaven knows the scale, i've forgotten it already.

Andy

I still can't remember the scale, but my calculations show it is 21
pixels to the foot (67 pixels per metre) if that helps.

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> Hi,
>
> I've uploaded drawings ive produced of the APTP NDM and DTS cars.
> There are full size and 66% ones that are better for viewing in

one

> screen. Please don't use these on a website without contacting me -
> first aja2XXX@s... (please removed the XXXs, thats just to
> stop spammers.) Heaven knows the scale, i've forgotten it already.
>
> Andy

Just found on eBay the BCL tape of Round Trip To Glasgow and E For
Experimental on VHS this was released for a limited time a while ago
and is now extremely hard to find. The rights to both these films are
now held by BFI who currently have no plans to release them again.


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Happy bidding !


Rob

Ive been working on a streaming system, and to test it Ive placed a
few videos on it. Be quick before they go. When testing is
complete, they are being removed.

Option 4 is all about the APT.

The Tyne Tees reports most people will not have seen before, they
where transmitted on the 18th and 19th Feb 2002.

Funny thing is, Im in them both, and Ive only just got a copy.

You must have Media PLayer 9 installed!

http://www.ycc.ac.uk/yc/live/index.html

Enjoy, but be quick.

Rob, if you want a copy for you records, let me know and I will get a
copy posted off for you.

Regards

Paul

There's plenty of APT clips on the ITN Archive site under 'Pathé news'

Cracking clip of the original bullet nosed tilting model being
inspected by Barbara Castle at Derby.

Nick

Independent.co.uk reports Eurostar on the CTRL has broken the APT-P
record of 162.2 MPH, reaching 208 MPH.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/story.jsp?story=428957


If APT were designed for 155 MPH on the curvaceous WCML one has to
wonder what it might have been capable of doing on a high-speed line
like the CTRL.

The probability is that today's exercise was pure spin! The 162.2mph must have been broken some weeks ago as speed was built up during testing. There is very strong conjecture that 205mph was reached on 8 July.

However, they wanted a media event so it was kept quiet.

Regards

Gerry Bates

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On 30/07/03 at 14:09 aarontaffera wrote:

>Independent.co.uk reports Eurostar on the CTRL has broken the APT-P
>record of 162.2 MPH, reaching 208 MPH.
>
>http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/story.jsp?story=428957
>
>
>If APT were designed for 155 MPH on the curvaceous WCML one has to
>wonder what it might have been capable of doing on a high-speed line
>like the CTRL.
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The Eurostar speed record is one of the top stories on the Sky News
site:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12700019,00.html


Eurostar may be fast, but it can't tilt!
Andy

>Eurostar may be fast, but it can't tilt!<

And of course it's FRENCH!

The only British bit about the 'record' is the track. At least the APT's
were designed and built right here in UK.......

Regards
Kit

The story as shown on the BBC News Online -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/3108973.stm




Rob

good on you kit your completely right

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>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:26:26 -0400
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> >Eurostar may be fast, but it can't tilt!<
>
>And of course it's FRENCH!
>
>The only British bit about the 'record' is the track. At least the APT's
>were designed and built right here in UK.......
>
>Regards
>Kit
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This is a portion of another Independent.co.uk story on Eurostar;
this one is from 31 July 2003:
-----------------------
"The old record of 162mph was set in 1979 by the quintessentially
British Advanced Passenger Train. This was so advanced that it could
not work safely and never came into service."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/story.jsp?story=429120
----------------------

I have never read any historical article claiming that APT was
unsafe; and what about APT's reintroduction in 1982, gaining its own
departure slot at Euston?

The media got it wrong in 1981 and are still getting it wrong today.

Ive been reading on here about what the papers have been saying about
the speed record being broken and the rubbish about the APT.

Well, it got my bloody boiling and Ive sent all the major papers an
article about the APT, the real story, but I bet they dont publish it
as it just proves how the media killed the project before it even had
a chance back in 1980.

We shall see.

Kit, very well said.............................

Eurostar............ a train that has NOTHING special about it.

I also agree, it would have been interesting to put P train on the
CTRL, 5 coaches and 8000 horsepower.

I suppose there is one thing good about what has happened, they have
finally said that P train held the Birtish speed record, not the
class 91 as most people think!

APT, British and proud of it.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

>This was so advanced that it could not work safely and never came into

service." <

Huh!

I'll sue, and so will Rob I expect!

One day we'll get a 'media' who actually know SOMETHING about engineering
and maybe even about researching their subject. But I'm not holding my
breath......

Regards
Kit

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It's rather ironic to note that the following week the whole network was
reduced to 60mph running due to the hot weather.

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Attachments :

Kit,

Did the RTC at Derby have any involvement with the attached?

I notice the 'inventor' was a Charles Osmond Frederick.

And was it designed to tilt round corners ? ;-)

Seriously though, this is surely the most extraordinary thing that BR
was involved with. Can anyone elaborate on the background to this most
improbable of projects.

Regards

Nick

Hi everyone

I've just noticed a Pathé newsreel of the original APT concept model is
on the web...

<http://www.britishpathe.com/images//preview/00000000/00056000/
00056782.WMV>

Nick

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Nick,

>Did the RTC at Derby have any involvement with the attached?

I'll have to check the web site as the attachment was stripped off.

>I notice the 'inventor' was a Charles Osmond Frederick.<

Charles Frederick was the Assistant (or Deputy) Director of Research as I
recall, but I could be wrong.

Regards
Kit

On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 04:38 pm, steven mosby wrote:

> wow, better quality than I thought for a windows media file.

They are converting the archive into Quicktime - a much better solution
: better quality for smaller files.

> Any idea when was this recorded?

13/01/1969 - "British rail uses working model to demonstrate their
train of the future. London"

Would be nice for the APT Group to publish its own fund raising video
featuring all APT films.

Nick

PS - I'm just watching Shell's Fell Locomotive (10100) documentary film
from 1954 - awesome!

Nick,

>Seriously though, this is surely the most extraordinary thing that BR was

involved with. Can anyone elaborate on >the background to this most
improbable of projects.<

I'd agree with that 100%! I checked the date very carefully to make sure it
wasn't April 1st............

But amazingly my wife Mary, who used to work in the Research Dept.
Registry, has heard about this and says she filed some information about it
under Dr. Alan WIcken's instruction, so it's not an April Fool. Gerry,
have you heard about this before?

Why BR would put it's name to something that bizarre is open to question,
and nothing was obviously done on the project other than file the patent.
If it had we'd have seen something about it in Modern Railways at least!

'BR plan service to Moon. New station being built on Hartshead Moor with
high speed links to West Coast Main Line.' etc etc. I can see a fleet of
BR Blue flying saucers (with yellow top surfaces of course.....) sitting on
a big concrete pad by a 'Saucer Station'. <g>

There would have been one fundamental problem that may have scuppered the
whole project though. The Unions would have demanded that it carry a
regulation red oil lamp on the back, which in this case would be
underneath, and the said oil lamp wouldn't have lasted more than 1ms past
the first 'controlled thermonuclear explosion' so every saucer would have
been blacked before it could take off!!! <g>

Mary says Charles Frederick was Track and Structures Director, which is odd
as I was in T&S for 18 months or so before BR got APD up to speed, and I
never heard anything about this during that self same period.

It's a good thing the media didn't get hold of this back then though! How
did you find it?

Regards
Kit

On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 07:48 am, Kit Spackman wrote:

> It's a good thing the media didn't get hold of this back then though!
> How
> did you find it?

Through the media !!!

A brief ('lifestyle') magazine article entitled "When Inventors Go Mad"
reminded me of something I'd read about many years ago...

"In December 1970, the British Railways Board filed patent number
GB1310990 [what I did my Google web search for] for a Thermonuclear
Powered Flying Saucer. By 1973, the full specification was published,
and the invention was re-classified as a "space vehicle". Work was
rumoured to have been undertaken in a Doncaster railway repair yard.
What exactly British Rail was doing developing a flying saucer is
unknown."

This would make a wonderful article for a serious railway journalist.

No chance for Rail Magazine then ;-)

Truly amazing.

Nick