Andy,

>If this is a dummy power car I invented tilt!<

Hehehe, I wonder where the motors are?

Regards
Kit

Was going to bid on this item but bidding had already closed. Signed
by some BR folks.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=1445&item=2152126050&rd=1

>Was going to bid on this item but bidding had already closed. Signed by

some BR folks. <

Hmm, that rings a bell somewhere. I have an idea it was in the hallway of
Euston House at one time. Naturally it isn't '....a High Speed Train.....',
it's APT-E but let's not get pedantic about it <g>

I think it's pushing things a bit to call Richard Marsh a 'BR folk' though,
hehehehehe.

Odd that it had zero bids, the auction was closed and the 'final bid' was
$10.....

Regards
Kit

hi all
I have worked on the WCML on and off since the early 1980's and
remember the APT well. I have scanned a couple of photo's which I
will post and look forward to talking with some of you.

Paul...

Welcome to the group Paul

Many thanks for the two photos - can you confirm the numbers of them
to me as it is hard to see on the scans.

Rob
www.apt-p.com

I will include them in the gallery when I next do some updates to the
website.

The following Advanced-Passenger-Train poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: APT-E or APT-P; which is your favourite?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- APT-E, 4 votes, 23.53%
- APT-P, 6 votes, 35.29%
- What a tough question, I like both of them!, 7 votes, 41.18%



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Hi everyone

Rare O Gauge APT model - ex-travel agent - for sale

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3201031609

51" long!

Nick

Nick,

>Rare O Gauge APT model - ex-travel agent - for sale<

Hmm, doesn't that look smart? I'm seriously tempted.........

I think that's the same type of model that the NRM have in the display case
opposite TC2 in The Works. Looks like the same consist and 'track' base.

Regards
Kit

HORNY APT PANTAGRAPH up to �16.00 !

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3108182039

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Hi guys
i just surfed the apt-p site and theres a page which says it has the
BVE simulatar for the apt-p train by mark hall but clicked on the
image and the yahoo said the site does not exist. please if anyone
has the BVE version of the apt could they email it to me or give me
information where i can get it.

Nigel

thanks for pointing out the broken link to the BVE APT-P, I'll remove
it when I next do an update to the website.


Rob
www.apt-p.com

TRAINSPOTTING

Including how and why APT tilts with Mark Found and Kit Spackman in
Crewe.

Kit will hit our screens again on 1st Feb 2003 on Discovery H&L at 9
pm - 10 pm


Best Wishes


Rob

PS Can someone tape it for me as I don't have Sky !

I have been unable to get a response from Mark Found 'TRAINSPOTTING'
as to the date of transmission of the Tilting Train episode, however
the series starts on Saturday 1st February 9pm - 10pm.


Rob

Hi All,
The item about the APT tilt system on Trainspotting is going to be
broadcast on the 1st March 2003 and 9pm.

Thanks to Rob for the information.

Regards

Paul

Thanks to Paul for passing on the message about the TV series (I was
in a cyber cafe at the time that didn't allow access to Yahoo Groups).

More details of the series can be found at -

www.trainspotting.tv

it is updated each week after the programme (unfortunatly we have to
wait until episode 10 for the APT !)


Rob

Hello,

Just found a rare APT book for sale at ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2156923242

Ian

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Not sure the tie is *that* rare, but...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2158987715

Seems expensive!

Nick

I have to say this is both a more reasonable price and a more desirable
item!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2158981701

Nick

Strewth!

£25 for a TIE? Even an APT tie.That's a bit steep.

I have two of them and even wear them to work sometimes, and Mary's got the
scarf too, which must be a REAL rarity. I conned it out of the stewardess
lady on P Train on the first service run <g>

Regards
Kit

This was posted on another group, thought it may be of
interest to some.

-----Original Message-----
From: restriction0 <ianb@...> <ianb@...>
To: mueg@yahoogroups.com <mueg@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 13 February 2003 21:20
Subject: [mueg] Urgent Rescue of DEMU Carriage

>I am making an urgent attempt to save a carriage from being scrapped.
>The carriage concerned is LAB 4 which was converted from a Hastings
>6B unit buffet for tilting experiments as research for the APT
>project. The owners, Hastings Diesels Ltd, urgently need the space
>where it is standing and I have a deadline of Saturday 15th February
>to find enough money and a destination for the carriage. This can be
>confirmed by their website which is www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk.
>
>The vehicle has many unique features which include a unique pair of
>tilting bogies, some windows from the Blue Pullman, experimental
>seats which never went into production, and small end windows. It is
>64' 6" by 8' 2.5".
>
>The down side apart from the tight deadline is that the ends and one
>side need some attention and the other side is in very poor condition.
>
>I am hoping that a site can be found which would accept this
>carriage, and also either some people who would be able to help
>financially and/or practically or even somebody who would wish to
>purchase this carriage as their own restoration project.
>
>If you have any queries at all, please e-mail me.
>
>Ian Butler.

>I am making an urgent attempt to save a carriage from being scrapped.
>The carriage concerned is LAB 4 which was converted from a Hastings
>6B unit buffet for tilting experiments as research for the APT
>project. The owners, Hastings Diesels Ltd, urgently need the space
>where it is standing and I have a deadline of Saturday 15th February
>to find enough money and a destination for the carriage. This can be
>confirmed by their website which is www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk.<

Hm, it's a pity that Hastings Diesels Ltd, don't answer emails or phone
calls. I've tried numerous times to contact them about Hastings Coach to
see what their plans were, to no avail. It seems there are no plans, and
one of THE most significant tilting vehicles in the UK will get scrapped on
the usual basis of money..

One day's notice is hardly enough time to do anything about it really.

Regards
Kit

Further to this I emailed Ian Butler, who subsequently phoned me about it.
It seems the villains are Railtrack Mk 2, who have raised Hastings Diesel's
rent so far that they have to take on lots more work to keep their site.
Thus Hastings Coach has to go as they need the space.

There's some vague hopes that some preservation group in the SE will find
some room for it, and it's sale price is £1......

That isn't a misprint, ONE pound Sterling. You bave to move it yourself
though, and before mid-March and you have to let them know TODAY!

A little tight I feel.....

Regards
Kit

A bit steep, me thinks...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2160909326

Nick

Good News People!!!
Lab4 is being saved!!!
It is going to be converted into a catering vehicle. It will be moved
sometime next month to The Pump House museum in walthamstow
http://freespace.virgin.net/pumphouse.walthamstow/index.htm

Regards
Nick Evans

A catering vehicle? I don't know about the rest of you but I have a vision of Kit welcoming visitors to the coach then tilting it from side to side for several minutes!

It's great that it isn't to be summarily scrapped but I have my reservations. It doesn't seem to fit with the aims of the Pump House Museum.

Regards

Gerry Bates

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On 25/02/03 at 22:12 nickypevans <nick@...> wrote:

>Good News People!!!
>Lab4 is being saved!!!
>It is going to be converted into a catering vehicle. It will be moved
>sometime next month to The Pump House museum in walthamstow
>http://freespace.virgin.net/pumphouse.walthamstow/index.htm
>
>Regards
>Nick Evans
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

The website is currently VERY VERY out of date. There is going to be a
short demo rail line built, a New building is being constructed to take
lots of bits. I won't go into detail now because I am too tired. :-)

Regards
Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerry Bates [mailto:gerry@...]
Sent: 25 February 2003 23:14
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: <APT Group> Lab4 'Hastings' 60750


A catering vehicle? I don't know about the rest of you but I have a
vision of Kit welcoming visitors to the coach then tilting it from side
to side for several minutes!

It's great that it isn't to be summarily scrapped but I have my
reservations. It doesn't seem to fit with the aims of the Pump House
Museum.

Regards

Gerry Bates

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 25/02/03 at 22:12 nickypevans <nick@...> wrote:

>Good News People!!!
>Lab4 is being saved!!!
>It is going to be converted into a catering vehicle. It will be moved
>sometime next month to The Pump House museum in walthamstow
>http://freespace.virgin.net/pumphouse.walthamstow/index.htm
>
>Regards
>Nick Evans
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/








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Shame about being converted in to a catering vehicle. MORE APT stuff
confined to memories :o(

-----Original Message-----
From: nickypevans <nick@...> [mailto:nick@...]
Sent: 25 February 2003 22:12
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> Lab4 'Hastings' 60750


Good News People!!!
Lab4 is being saved!!!
It is going to be converted into a catering vehicle. It will be moved
sometime next month to The Pump House museum in walthamstow
http://freespace.virgin.net/pumphouse.walthamstow/index.htm

Regards
Nick Evans




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Gerry and Nick,

>A catering vehicle? I don't know about the rest of you but I have a vision

of Kit welcoming visitors to the coach then >tilting it from side to side
for several minutes!<

Hehe, of course that's returning it to it'soriginal use as it was the
Buffet Car in the Hither GReen crash Hasting set. As it was the only
undamaged vehicle after the crash it was surplus to requirements and ended
up as a paint store at Micheldever. Stuart Dick found it, and David Grant
and I 'raided' the yard one afternoon to confirm it was what TOPS said it
was, much to the yards staff's amazement. The rest, as they say, is
history.

I suppose they could sell coffee and tea un-stirred and use the tilt system
to stir it.......

>It's great that it isn't to be summarily scrapped but I have my

reservations. It doesn't seem to fit with the aims of the >Pump House
Museum.<

It does seem a trifle odd. I forsee a quick trip to Walthmastow to see if
they are going to retain any of it's tiltability, and if not I'd rather
like to grab the Mk3 tilt pack for posterity.

Paul. Rob, any space for one unique tilt hydraulic pack, only one owner,
never raced or rallied?

Regards
Kit
<

>Just a quick reminder....This Saturday evening, 1st March, at 9pm on

'Discovery Home & Leisure' channel Mark >Found goes 'Trainspotting' at
Crewe to discover, from Kit Spackman, how and why the Advanced Passenger

>Train tilts.

>More details can be found at: http://www.trainspotting.tv/<

Checking the web site shows a bit of an anomoly. It seems to say that they
are showing two episodes at the same time.

Episode 9 showing 'Mangaps (?), St. Pancras, CTRL and Cross Country' is on
at 2100 hrs and Episode 10 showing 'APT, Westerns, Groudle Glen (from the
sublime to......) and St. Philips Marsh' is on at..................2100
hrs!

They must mean 2130 actually, looking at other schedules.

Regards
Kit

From what I understand, all the tilt gear has already been removed. The
bogies have been 'Fixed' upright somehow. But I will look at this when
it arrives

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Kit Spackman [mailto:101453.3657@...]
Sent: 26 February 2003 21:21
To: INTERNET:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> Hastings saved


Gerry and Nick,

>A catering vehicle? I don't know about the rest of you but I have a
>vision

of Kit welcoming visitors to the coach then >tilting it from side to
side for several minutes!<

Hehe, of course that's returning it to it'soriginal use as it was the
Buffet Car in the Hither GReen crash Hasting set. As it was the only
undamaged vehicle after the crash it was surplus to requirements and
ended up as a paint store at Micheldever. Stuart Dick found it, and
David Grant and I 'raided' the yard one afternoon to confirm it was what
TOPS said it was, much to the yards staff's amazement. The rest, as they
say, is history.

I suppose they could sell coffee and tea un-stirred and use the tilt
system to stir it.......

>It's great that it isn't to be summarily scrapped but I have my

reservations. It doesn't seem to fit with the aims of the >Pump House
Museum.<

It does seem a trifle odd. I forsee a quick trip to Walthmastow to see
if they are going to retain any of it's tiltability, and if not I'd
rather like to grab the Mk3 tilt pack for posterity.

Paul. Rob, any space for one unique tilt hydraulic pack, only one owner,
never raced or rallied?

Regards
Kit
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Nick,

>From what I understand, all the tilt gear has already been removed. The

bogies have been 'Fixed' upright >somehow. But I will look at this when it
arrives<

I emailed Ian Butler about this last night and his reply says that the are
planning to leave most of the equipment 'as is' and just modify the VIP
compartment to act as a buffet. They plan to form an owners group for the
vehicle, which I'm strongly thinking of joining.

The hydraulic pack would seem to be still there from Ian's description, but
the H4X boges would be easy to modify from their original APT-P
configurtion to non-tilting, either by replacing the tilt jacks with solid
struts or by mounting struts in parallel with the jacks.

I'm going to try and take a look at Hastings next week, if they'll let me,
as I'm passing close by on the Tuesday.

Regards
Kit

Hi Kit

good luck next week with Hastings if you could take some photos and
write an update for me I'll include it on my Hastings webpage:-

http://www.apt-p.com/RDB975386.htm

Best wishes


Rob

Hi all,
Ive just spoken to Kit about his trip to go and see Hastings.
Glad to say that its in pretty good shape all in all, but needs some
attention to one side, nothing that a bit of graft wouldnt fix.

When he gets time, he's gonna try and post more information on here.

At least Hastings is saved.

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group, NRM, York

Another interesting booklet for sale

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2163255927

Nick

An even more interesting book - not seen one of these before...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2163252387

Looks a tad grubby mind!

Nick

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You should at least say from where it came, but in my production of
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Hello people!
Lab 4 will be arriving at The Pump House sometime tomorrow, Allelys
will be doing the delivery but they have not given us a time yet
although they will be giving us a blow by blow account of where they
are.
Ring Ring - we are just on the A406
Ring Ring - we have just left the A406
Ring Ring - we are 2 miles away
Ring Ring - we are at the end of the road....
You get the picture :-) Will post another message tomorrow as soon as
it is safely in the site.
I am now off to do some p-way.
Regards
Nick Evans

Nick et al,

>Lab 4 will be arriving at The Pump House sometime tomorrow, Allelys will

be doing the delivery but they have not >given us a time yet although they
will be giving us a blow by blow account of where they are. <

Ian Butler phoned me earlier today to say the move had been postponed for a
week. I don't know the reasons but I'm sure we'll fiund out eventually.

It's a bit of a pity for me as I'm working only about 10 miles away from
the Pump House this week and I could have got some 'in transit' photos. I
can see some 'Creative Scheduling' comin on to get me back here at the end
of next week <g>

Regards
Kit

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kit Spackman [mailto:101453.3657@...]
> Sent: 20 March 2003 20:43
> To: INTERNET:Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: <APT Group> Digest Number 435
>
>
> Nick et al,
>
> >Lab 4 will be arriving at The Pump House sometime tomorrow, Allelys
> >will
> be doing the delivery but they have not >given us a time yet
> although they will be giving us a blow by blow account of
> where they are. <
>
> Ian Butler phoned me earlier today to say the move had been
> postponed for a week. I don't know the reasons but I'm sure
> we'll fiund out eventually.
>
> It's a bit of a pity for me as I'm working only about 10
> miles away from the Pump House this week and I could have got
> some 'in transit' photos. I can see some 'Creative
> Scheduling' comin on to get me back here at the end of next week <g>
>
> Regards
> Kit

Yes, Mick Northfield (the man at our end :-) ) got me to phone up
Hastings Diesels and I spoke to Ian, Apparently the trailer had the
tires ripped out last night on the way back from Calais, for some
strange reason they don't work with no tires..... :-D
Oh well at least all the p-way is done now... It was very hot work
Anyway it should be arriving next Thursday.

Regards
Nick

Hi gang

More interesting APT goodies...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1445&item=2165715989

Nick

"THE WONDERFUL APT WAS DOOMED TO BECOME A CAFE AT CREWE!"

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2168363397

 

Take Care,

Andy

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Butler <ianb@...>
To: mueg@yahoogroups.com <mueg@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 08 April 2003 17:22
Subject: [mueg] Rescue of DEMU Carriage Successful

>The carriage which I appealed for assistance for preservation has now
>been saved, and I would like to thank everybody who has helped in any
>way towards this, especially Hastings Diesels Ltd. who have been
>highly supportive.
>
>LAB 4 left St. Leonards Depot at about 3:30pm today on its way to
>Lowhall Steam Transport Museum in Walthamstow (near St. James Street
>station) where it will be restored as a static buffet retaining most
>of the experimental modifications, painted B.R. green with its
>original number, S60750.
>
>The Hastings 60750 Group would be pleased to hear from anybody who
>might be interested in assisting in the restoration. Please contact
>via myself or the museum.

Lab arrived tonight at approxamitly 2030, It was too dark to do
anything tonight so she will be unloaded tomorrow morning. The 2
chaps from allelys got a fish and chip supper on us :-) and will be
spending the night in their bunks in the tractor unit.

altogether..... a long day :-)

Regards
Nick Evans