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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 833 From: Nick Wheat Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Re: Speed records
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 834 From: Andy Date: 25/06/2002
Subject: 10 Hornby APT Cars For Sale (ebay)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 835 From: Andy Date: 28/06/2002
Subject: APT Item(s) For sale (ebay)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 836 From: Nick Wheat Date: 01/07/2002
Subject: More goodies on Ebay
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 837 From: Nick Wheat Date: 03/07/2002
Subject: APT Playing Cards for sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 838 From: aptp370 Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: APT Formations
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 839 From: bathmatus Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: Re: APT Formations
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 840 From: aptp370 Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: Re: APT Formations
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 841 From: virginking2002uk Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: Euston LINE UP
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 842 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Re: Euston LINE UP
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 843 From: aptp370 Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Line-up Axed
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 844 From: Nick Wheat Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Better be quick, Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 845 From: aptp370 Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Re: Better be quick, Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 846 From: bathmatus Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: new site
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 847 From: Nick Wheat Date: 23/07/2002
Subject: BR Training Manual
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 848 From: aptp370 Date: 23/07/2002
Subject: Re: BR Training Manual
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 849 From: aarontaffera Date: 23/07/2002
Subject: BBC story on Pendolino's first commercial run
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 850 From: Kit Spackman Date: 24/07/2002
Subject: Pendelino Launch
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 851 From: Harry Frank Sandford Date: 25/07/2002
Subject: Re: Pendelino Launch
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 852 From: aptp370 Date: 26/07/2002
Subject: Anyone want five minutes of fame ??
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 853 From: Steve Mosby Date: 27/07/2002
Subject: Re: Anyone want five minutes of fame ??
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 854 From: Harry Frank Sandford Date: 28/07/2002
Subject: Re: Anyone want five minutes of fame ??
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 855 From: Nick Wheat Date: 29/07/2002
Subject: Has the world gone mad?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 856 From: Nick Wheat Date: 30/07/2002
Subject: Ebay items
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 857 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/07/2002
Subject: Re: Ebay items
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 858 From: Dennis Williams Date: 30/07/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 361
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 859 From: Nick Wheat Date: 31/07/2002
Subject: They keep on coming
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 860 From: Nick Wheat Date: 31/07/2002
Subject: And still they come...
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 861 From: Andy Date: 21/08/2002
Subject: APT Research Book For Sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 862 From: apt_p Date: 21/08/2002
Subject: Re: Ebay items
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 863 From: Ian Ellis Date: 22/08/2002
Subject: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 864 From: Gerry Bates Date: 22/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 865 From: Ian Ellis Date: 22/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 866 From: Gerry Bates Date: 22/08/2002
Subject: Re: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 867 From: Simon Bendall Date: 22/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 868 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 23/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 869 From: metal trotsky Date: 23/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 870 From: bathmatus Date: 23/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 871 From: aptp370 Date: 23/08/2002
Subject: Five minutes of fame
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 872 From: aptp370 Date: 23/08/2002
Subject: DTS Repaints
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 873 From: Kit Spackman Date: 24/08/2002
Subject: Subject: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 874 From: aptp370 Date: 24/08/2002
Subject: Re: Subject: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 875 From: Simon Bendall Date: 24/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 876 From: this_is_a_wind_up Date: 25/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 877 From: apt_p Date: 25/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 878 From: apt_p Date: 25/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 879 From: apt_p Date: 25/08/2002
Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 880 From: aptp370 Date: 25/08/2002
Subject: 48204
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 881 From: aarontaffera Date: 27/08/2002
Subject: E-train status
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 882 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 27/08/2002
Subject: Re: E-train status


Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 833 From: Nick Wheat Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Re: Speed records
Hi everyone

Gerry Bates wrote:
>
> Paul
>
> You're absolutely right of course. Unfortunately, our political masters, of whatever shade, have always taken the blinkered, short-term view and pioneering, visionary projects have always been non-starters.
>
> Another example is the closing of the Great Central line, built to Berne gauge, at the same time as the Wilson government was entering into negotiations with the French over the construction of a Channel tunnel in the 70s.

And how fast could a tilting train have gone had Brunel won the "Gauge
Wars" with the 7ft (and a quarter inch) gauge being the adopted standard?

Regards

Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 834 From: Andy Date: 25/06/2002
Subject: 10 Hornby APT Cars For Sale (ebay)
Anyone looking to expand their Hornby APT should check this out:
 
 
Take Care,
Andy
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 835 From: Andy Date: 28/06/2002
Subject: APT Item(s) For sale (ebay)
'The Great Game Of Britain' From what I understand it has nothing to do with the APT-E, apart from the photo on the front of the box:
 
 
APT-P tie:
 
 
Take Care,
Andy
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 836 From: Nick Wheat Date: 01/07/2002
Subject: More goodies on Ebay
Hi everyone

Some more goodies on Ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2118184939

Regards

Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 837 From: Nick Wheat Date: 03/07/2002
Subject: APT Playing Cards for sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 838 From: aptp370 Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: APT Formations
Hi all

just wondered if anyone can shed any light on these proposed APT
formations
found in a document belonging to one of the group ? They are listed
as
low powered, high powered and stretched versions and have the first
class
one side of the power cars with the second class at the opposite end.


FD3-F2-FK2-FV3-BoBo-SV3-SG2-S2-SG2-S2-SG2-SD3

FD3-F2-FK2-FV3-BoBo-BoBo-SV3-S2-SG2-S2-SG2-S2-SG2-SD3

FD3-F2-FK2-F2-FV3-BoBo-BoBo-SV3-SG2-S2-SG2-S2-SG2-S2-SG2-SD3

Also what does SG2 stand ?


Any help plese let us know !


Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 839 From: bathmatus Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: Re: APT Formations
SECOND GUARD TWO AXEL
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 840 From: aptp370 Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: Re: APT Formations
I doubt that is correct - the stretched version would have four
guards coaches?! You are right about the two axles - that is what the
number means, and the S is for SECOND CLASS with F for FIRST.


Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 841 From: virginking2002uk Date: 04/07/2002
Subject: Euston LINE UP
does anyone know the date of the line up of all classes of loco
including the apt and pendildo at london euston
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 842 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Re: Euston LINE UP
Whats this all about then, are we talking models here as you cannot
get APT-E or APT-P to Euston from where they are now!!!!!!!!!

Where did you hear this?

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "virginking2002uk"
<virginking2002uk@y...> wrote:
> does anyone know the date of the line up of all classes of loco
> including the apt and pendildo at london euston
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 843 From: aptp370 Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Line-up Axed
Hi

no one has asked us about borrowing the APT-P ! YET...

However in the new RAILWAY MAGAZINE Page 8 says -


------------------------------------------------

EUSTON LINE UP AXED

a historic line up of trains spanning 75 years of West Coast motive
power has been axed because leaks to the press breached an embargo
6100, 6201, 6233, D200 84001 Class 90, HST, Voyager, Pendolino were
to have posed side by side

------------------------------------------------



A remake of Cuneos 'Into the Eighties' perhaps ? - Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 844 From: Nick Wheat Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Better be quick, Rob
Hi everyone

This rare apt document has a 'buy it now' feature so first bid could secure

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2119371702

Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 845 From: aptp370 Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: Re: Better be quick, Rob
More one for Paul that as its for the APT-E or perhaps the National
Collection?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 846 From: bathmatus Date: 05/07/2002
Subject: new site
im going to set up a indepedant apt site with my collection online at
http://www.geocities.com/bathmatus/ nothing there yet never done a
website so must try to learn me html

bathmatus
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 847 From: Nick Wheat Date: 23/07/2002
Subject: BR Training Manual
Hi everyone

Fascinating APT training manual for sale on Ebay :-

"This A4 loose-leaf folder contains all 11 chapters of APT technical
information from Introduction, to commissioning the new sets as they
arrived on depot, with diagrams of most equipment and layout. Any
Hydro-Kinetic Brake 'fans' out there ? this books for you !"

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2124479196

Regards

Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 848 From: aptp370 Date: 23/07/2002
Subject: Re: BR Training Manual
Details of the Training Manual are shown below -

APT-1 Introduction to the Adavnced Passenger Train
APT-2 Introduction to the A.P.T. Suspension System
APT-3 The Tilt System. Control Design & Test Procedures
APT-4 Auxiliary Supply Systems A.C. & D.C.
APT-5 Auxiliary Equipment. Trailer Cars
APT-6 APT Braking Systems Hydrokinetic, Friction & Parking
APT-7 Traction Power & Control System A.P.T. Power Car
APT-8
Pt.1 Driving Cab Control/Indicators & C-A.P.T. System
Pt 2 Control-A.P.T. System (C-A.P.T.)
APT-9 Towing, Rescuing & Lifting Procedures for APT-P
APT-10 Depot Equipment. Repair & Replacement Procedures
APT-11 Commissioning & Testing of APT-P


Happy bidding !


Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 849 From: aarontaffera Date: 23/07/2002
Subject: BBC story on Pendolino's first commercial run
probably not exactly the kind of press coverage Virgin Trains is
looking for.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2146691.stm
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 850 From: Kit Spackman Date: 24/07/2002
Subject: Pendelino Launch
>probably not exactly the kind of press coverage Virgin Trains is looking
for

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2146691.stm<

Hmmm, seems just like 1982 again......

Looking at the piece, and Mr Ryan Dilley's pic at the top of it, I wonder
if his Mum know's he's writing for the Beeb instead of attending
school.....

It's pretty much what you'd expect from our media though, isn't it? They
must have a 'Let's decide what to slam today' meeting each morning, and
yesterday's target was Virgin Trains. Notwithstanding the fact that a
Pendelino never IS going to 'break any speed records', it's 15 mph short of
E-Train speed, let alone P-Train, it nakes me womder just what the UK rail
industry has to do please the hacks. They complain that the ROC's don't
invest enough, and when Virgin does spend a small fortune, they damn the
atempt with faint praise! It's a pity we don't have some branch of the
media that is critical of the media.......

And I rather doubt that Mr Dilley has ever flown in '......a tiny Cessna
flying though a typhoon en route to Manchester' either.

Regards
Kit
<Super Cynic Mode Off>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 851 From: Harry Frank Sandford Date: 25/07/2002
Subject: Re: Pendelino Launch

Kit

        I will agree with you on that one. Lets see what they say when full tilt is going?

  Kit Spackman <101453.3657@...> wrote:

>probably not exactly the kind of press coverage Virgin Trains is looking
for

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2146691.stm<

Hmmm, seems just like 1982 again......

Looking at the piece, and Mr Ryan Dilley's pic at the top of it, I wonder
if his Mum know's he's writing for the Beeb instead of attending
school.....

It's pretty much what you'd expect from our media though, isn't it? They
must have a 'Let's decide what to slam today' meeting each morning, and
yesterday's target was Virgin Trains. Notwithstanding the fact that a
Pendelino never IS going to 'break any speed records', it's 15 mph short of
E-Train speed, let alone P-Train, it nakes me womder just what the UK rail
industry has to do please the hacks. They complain that the ROC's don't
invest enough, and when Virgin does spend a small fortune, they damn the
atempt with faint praise! It's a pity we don't have some branch of the
media that is critical of the media.......

And I rather doubt that Mr Dilley has ever flown in '......a tiny Cessna
flying though a typhoon en route to Manchester' either.

Regards
Kit
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 852 From: aptp370 Date: 26/07/2002
Subject: Anyone want five minutes of fame ??
Hi all

I've just been sent the following ---->

my name is Mark Found, I work for a company called Oval Films and
we've been commissioned by The Discovery Channel to make a ten part
series in celebration of trains. Each programme will be half an hour
long and consist of four five minute items (approx.). The estimated
audience for these programmes is three million including repeats, and
the programmes will be shown at the start of next year.

I'd like to re-assure you that we take trains very seriously and that
this is in no way a piss - take of the subject. We want to change
general publics' perception of what people who are into trains are
like.

I would like to do a piece about tilting trains and wondered whether
you might the guys to talk to? I've read Gerry Bates article and I'm
looking for some one to appear on camera to give us the APT story,
and why it wrong (or did it?).

We are scheduled to come up to Crewe on Thursday 22nd of August and
so I need to find some one to appear on that day.



<---- Anyone (Kit ??) want to take it up ? Volunteers please step
forward, or everyone else take one step back !

Please email me on rob@... to be considered.

Rob
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 853 From: Steve Mosby Date: 27/07/2002
Subject: Re: Anyone want five minutes of fame ??
Kit'd be ideal for it! Get the word out and make them know the TRUTH!

Regards,


Steve Mosby
steven.mosby@...
http://www.stevenmosby.co.uk
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----- Original Message -----
From: "aptp370" <rob@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Anyone want five minutes of fame ??


> Hi all
>
> I've just been sent the following ---->
>
> my name is Mark Found, I work for a company called Oval Films and
> we've been commissioned by The Discovery Channel to make a ten part
> series in celebration of trains. Each programme will be half an hour
> long and consist of four five minute items (approx.). The estimated
> audience for these programmes is three million including repeats, and
> the programmes will be shown at the start of next year.
>
> I'd like to re-assure you that we take trains very seriously and that
> this is in no way a piss - take of the subject. We want to change
> general publics' perception of what people who are into trains are
> like.
>
> I would like to do a piece about tilting trains and wondered whether
> you might the guys to talk to? I've read Gerry Bates article and I'm
> looking for some one to appear on camera to give us the APT story,
> and why it wrong (or did it?).
>
> We are scheduled to come up to Crewe on Thursday 22nd of August and
> so I need to find some one to appear on that day.
>
>
>
> <---- Anyone (Kit ??) want to take it up ? Volunteers please step
> forward, or everyone else take one step back !
>
> Please email me on rob@... to be considered.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 854 From: Harry Frank Sandford Date: 28/07/2002
Subject: Re: Anyone want five minutes of fame ??

 Kit go for it. As Steve said make them know the TRUTH!

  Steve Mosby <steven.mosby@...> wrote:

Kit'd be ideal for it! Get the word out and make them know the TRUTH!

Regards,


Steve Mosby
steven.mosby@...
http://www.stevenmosby.co.uk
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----- Original Message -----
From: "aptp370" <rob@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Anyone want five minutes of fame ??


> Hi all
>
> I've just been sent the following ---->
>
> my name is Mark Found, I work for a company called Oval Films and
> we've been commissioned by The Discovery Channel to make a ten part
> series in celebration of trains. Each programme will be half an hour
> long and consist of four five minute items (approx.).  The estimated
> audience for these programmes is three million including repeats, and
> the programmes will be shown at the start of next year.
>
> I'd like to re-assure you that we take trains very seriously and that
> this is in no way a piss - take of the subject.  We want to change
> general publics'  perception of what people who are into trains are
> like.
>
> I would like to do a piece about tilting trains and wondered whether
> you might the guys to talk to?  I've read Gerry Bates article and I'm
> looking for some one to appear on camera to give us the APT story,
> and why it wrong (or did it?).
>
> We are scheduled to come up to Crewe on Thursday 22nd of August and
> so I need to find some one to appear on that day.
>
>
>
> <---- Anyone (Kit ??) want to take it up ? Volunteers please step
> forward, or everyone else take one step back !
>
> Please email me on rob@... to be considered.
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>



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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 855 From: Nick Wheat Date: 29/07/2002
Subject: Has the world gone mad?
Hi everyone

Looks like there's still some (insanely?) strong APT interest out there...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2124479196

And there's still 8 hours to go!

Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 856 From: Nick Wheat Date: 30/07/2002
Subject: Ebay items
Hi everyone

Well, the training manual sold for £101.20 !!!

Also, the BR official APT booklet went for £41.00 - wasn't this the one
availaable for £2.50 ?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2124478083

Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 857 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/07/2002
Subject: Re: Ebay items
Hi Nick,
It sure was, is the world mad!!!!!!

I still think Andy has a few left for sale.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., Nick Wheat <wheaty@d...> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> Well, the training manual sold for £101.20 !!!
>
> Also, the BR official APT booklet went for £41.00 - wasn't this
the one
> availaable for £2.50 ?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2124478083
>
> Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 858 From: Dennis Williams Date: 30/07/2002
Subject: Re: Digest Number 361
As for the BR APT Booklet....

This is complete madness as you can still purchase original copies
on-line from Bob Pearman books (www.pearman-books.com) for GBP1.95 !!

I bought one last year and even air-post delivered to Australia, it was
only
GBP6.95 !!


Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2002 10:24 PM
To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
Subject: <APT Group> Digest Number 361


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Topics in this digest:

1. Ebay items
From: Nick Wheat <wheaty@...>
2. Re: Ebay items
From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:57:58 +0100
From: Nick Wheat <wheaty@...>
Subject: Ebay items

Hi everyone

Well, the training manual sold for £101.20 !!!

Also, the BR official APT booklet went for £41.00 - wasn't this the one
availaable for £2.50 ?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2124478083

Nick


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:33:35 -0000
From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <PAUL@...>
Subject: Re: Ebay items

Hi Nick,
It sure was, is the world mad!!!!!!

I still think Andy has a few left for sale.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., Nick Wheat <wheaty@d...> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> Well, the training manual sold for £101.20 !!!
>
> Also, the BR official APT booklet went for £41.00 - wasn't this
the one
> availaable for £2.50 ?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2124478083
>
> Nick



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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 859 From: Nick Wheat Date: 31/07/2002
Subject: They keep on coming
Hi everyone

Looks like evryone's raiding their lofts now!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2126872355

"I don't really know what this is or what it was for. It is an A4 card
covered book with plastic comb binding containing 89 photocopied "DIS
Sheets" printed one side. I'm sorry, I don't know what a DIS sheet is.
However, I can see that the whole contains drawings, graphs and diagrams
to do with the Advanced Passenger Train, its construction and its
operation. The sheets vary from arrangement drawings to quite technical
diagrams, graphs to do with things likke speed improvement on curves,
traction energy and power, cost effectiveness of speed, train
formations, internal noise levels, pantograph levelling when tilting,
air management etc etc. Nothing is dated but it has to be late 70s. If
you want to know more about this item just ask. If you're interested in
the Advanced Passenger Train and have some technical knowledge of it you
may understand a lot of this better than me! I would rate this as the
most unusal of the APT items which have come into my possession over the years."

Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 860 From: Nick Wheat Date: 31/07/2002
Subject: And still they come...
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 861 From: Andy Date: 21/08/2002
Subject: APT Research Book For Sale
This hard back book with 112 pages is packed full of photographs and is a must for the rail enthusiast. All the vehicles used by Research are described and a number of the projects, both past and present, and including the much publicised Advanced Passenger Train - APT - are featured. The test facilities and laboratories at Derby are illustrated and described as are the two special track tests operated by the research division.
 
 
Bid On!
Andy
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 862 From: apt_p Date: 21/08/2002
Subject: Re: Ebay items
> I still think Andy has a few left for sale.

Sorry, sold out! I obtained 20 copies of this book & sold a majority
of them to members of this group for the original cover price £1.95,
I sold the last two via ebay. I had a damaged copy which sold at ebay
for £33!!

Take Care,
Andy


Nick Wheat <wheaty@d...> wrote:
> > Hi everyone

> > Also, the BR official APT booklet went for £41.00 - wasn't this
> the one
> > availaable for £2.50 ?
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2124478083
> >
> > Nick
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 863 From: Ian Ellis Date: 22/08/2002
Subject: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
Attachments :
    Hi,

    I recently came across an interesting photo of the APT-P which has left me
    puzzled, I have attached a scan of the photo.

    1) Can someone tell my why the third carriage doesn't have articulated
    bogies?

    2) Did this carriage actually tilt?

    3) Was it used in passenger service?

    4) Has it been preserved?, if so, where is it now?


    Any help would be much appreciated,
    Ian

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    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 864 From: Gerry Bates Date: 22/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock

    On 22/08/02 at 16:48 Ian Ellis wrote:

    >Hi,
    >
    >I recently came across an interesting photo of the APT-P which has left me
    >puzzled, I have attached a scan of the photo.
    >
    >1) Can someone tell my why the third carriage doesn't have articulated
    >bogies?

    Because it's a specially designed coach without articulation. The idea was to get round the restrictions of articulation - coaches could be detached easily.
    >
    >2) Did this carriage actually tilt?
     
    Yes. It was otherwise identical to an articulated coach.
    >
    >3) Was it used in passenger service?
     
    I don't think so; it appeared too late. Although I did ride in it, at 155mph, between Gretna and Beattock, and was very impressed!
    >
    >4) Has it been preserved?, if so, where is it now?
    >
    No! We only have the APT-P set at Crewe.
    >
    >Any help would be much appreciated,
    >Ian
     
    Nice photos!
     
    Regards
     
    Gerry Bates

     
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 865 From: Ian Ellis Date: 22/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    Hi,

    Thanks for your help Gerry - I don't suppose you know when this photo was
    taken? (approx) Would I be right in assuming it was taken just before the
    APT was scrapped? I understand much of the APT design was incorporated into
    the Class91, was the APT carriage in question a test-bed for the Class91?

    >We only have the APT-P set at Crewe

    What happened to the other power car? I thought it went to the NRM? - can it
    be seen by the public?

    Regards,
    Ian


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    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 866 From: Gerry Bates Date: 22/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    Ian

    As you surmised, the photos would have been taken in the early '80s, shortly before scrapping (when all the problems had been sorted out, of course!).

    It wouldn't have been used as a Class 91 coach prototype as the extruded aluminium body panels were exclusive to APT and not carried over into Mk IV design. The Swiss SIG bogies used on Mk IVs were also unrelated.

    York only has E-train vehicles.

    Regards

    Gerry

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    On 22/08/02 at 18:09 Ian Ellis wrote:

    >Hi,
    >
    >Thanks for your help Gerry - I don't suppose you know when this photo was
    >taken? (approx) Would I be right in assuming it was taken just before the
    >APT was scrapped? I understand much of the APT design was incorporated
    >into the Class91, was the APT carriage in question a test-bed for the Class91?
    >
    >>We only have the APT-P set at Crewe
    >
    >What happened to the other power car? I thought it went to the NRM? - can
    >it
    >be seen by the public?
    >
    >Regards,
    >Ian
    >
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    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 867 From: Simon Bendall Date: 22/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    >What happened to the other power car? I thought it went
    >to the NRM?

    The other APT power car is at MoD Kineton near Banbury.
    I saw it a couple of months ago - its in the open and in a
    hell of a mess. Anyone know what, if anything, is happening
    with it?

    Simon
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 868 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 23/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    Well, lots to say about this subject.

    The P train coach with none articulated bogies was a normal P train
    coach but was converted to enable ride data for the new Mk4 coach to
    be collected. The research dept did the conversion.

    This coach has never been found on a scap list, and upto a few years
    ago it was still in the old RTC yard under a cover, shunted into a
    siding. I did see it there, but not sure where it is now.

    The NRMs spare P train powercar is awaiting the building of Shildon
    and will be going up there along with E train, well thats the plan!

    Hope this clears up a few things.

    Regards

    Paul
    APT-E Conservation & Support Group
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 869 From: metal trotsky Date: 23/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock

    Can anyone furnish me with details of power car livery designs and dates, eg numbers and black windows, InterCity APT lettering, red lines, etc?

    Many thanks,

    Dave Kuivala
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 870 From: bathmatus Date: 23/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    APT-P powercars donot have windows so how can they be black ??? and
    it always had a red and white strip what exactly do you mean ??

    BM
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 871 From: aptp370 Date: 23/08/2002
    Subject: Five minutes of fame
    Thanks to Kit for 'volunteering' to do the interview with SKY TV

    The programme will go out early next year on Discovery H&L as part of
    a series entitled 'TrainSpotting' each programme will consist of four
    five minutes sections on different topics, one of which will be APT.

    Hopefully they will let us know beforehand so that those with SKY can
    set up their videos !

    I was Kits first encounter with APT-P since 7th December 1981 !

    See http://www.apt-p.com/Trainspotting.htm for a couple of photo's


    Rob
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 872 From: aptp370 Date: 23/08/2002
    Subject: DTS Repaints
    I assume that you meant to refer to the Driving Trailer Second as
    opposed to the 'powercars' ?? - although the powercars initially
    didn't carry the logos either?

    From the official drawings, dates for each of the modifications can
    be read, although when they were carried out on individual vehicles
    remains harder to determine.

    Rob


    PS last message was supposed to say 'It was...' NOT 'I was...' !
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 873 From: Kit Spackman Date: 24/08/2002
    Subject: Subject: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    Ian and Gerry and Simon,

    >I recently came across an interesting photo of the APT-P which has left me
    puzzled, I have attached a >scan of the photo.<

    Interesting, that, where did the photo come from?

    Gerry, what was this coach called? I've heard rumours about it, and rather
    assumed it was 'Pilot,', the prototype P-Train coach that ran in the POP-2
    formation. As 'Pilot' was incapable of being used as a real P-Train coach
    (it had some fundamental bits missing, like holes on the structure for the
    air-con etc.) without a radical re-build, it might seem logical that it was
    re-built in four axle form.

    Paul and I can both remember seeing this vehicle parked alone south of a
    station on the ECML some years ago, but I can't remember which station now.
    Paul may be able to though.

    Simon, there are rumours afoot that the NRM will move the last P-Train
    power car to Shildon when it opens, but who would do the massive
    restoration job required before it can be publicaly displayed is open to
    conjecture. If they spend serious Museum money on it I can us in the
    E-Train Group getting upset, when there's a pretty darn good P-Train Power
    Car at Crewe.

    In passing, I was given a superb guided tour of the whole of P-Train at
    Crewe this week, (thanks a lot Rob...) and saw a Mk VI tilt pack 'in situ'
    in the Power Car for the first time in many years. I almost felt a need to
    do manual re-tune of the servo-valves............ <g>

    Regards
    Kit
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 874 From: aptp370 Date: 24/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Subject: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    Hi Kit et al

    The coach wasn't PILOT but ex APT-P Trailer Second 48204 that was
    modified to have non artictulated bogies and used in the developement
    of Mark IV coaches.

    See www.apt-p.com/RDB977527.htm for more deatils...

    Any ideas as to if it still exists would be welcome !



    Rob
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 875 From: Simon Bendall Date: 24/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    >See www.apt-p.com/RDB977527.htm for more deatils...
    >Any ideas as to if it still exists would be welcome !

    According to published sources, it was cut at Vic Berry,
    Leicester in October 1989

    Simon
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 876 From: this_is_a_wind_up Date: 25/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    Hey, I've got a picture of that too! I've put it in the photos
    section and called it "Unusual Stock".

    Unfortunately the coach in question is in the rear half of the train
    and the picture has lost resolution (original is 1024x694).
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 877 From: apt_p Date: 25/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    I saw this photo at the NRM a few years ago - Is it still there?

    Andy
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 878 From: apt_p Date: 25/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    > What happened to the other power car? I thought it went to the NRM?

    Photos of 49006 being moved from Crewe to Kineton in 1992 can be seen
    at:

    http://www.apt-p.com/work49006.htm

    49006 looked in a terrible state 10 years ago, I hope it hasn't
    rusted away? Does anyone have any recent photos of 49006?

    Take Care,
    Andy
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 879 From: apt_p Date: 25/08/2002
    Subject: Re: Unusual APT Coaching Stock
    > Photos of 49006 being moved from Crewe to Kineton in 1992 can be
    seen at: http://www.apt-p.com/work49006.htm

    49006 was moved to Kineton in 1997 - not 1992.

    Sorry!
    Andy
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 880 From: aptp370 Date: 25/08/2002
    Subject: 48204
    Today I was sent a picture taken on Friday 11th October 1985 that
    includes 48204 at Crewe the full line up was sc48101 + sc48601 +
    sc48204 + sc49005 + sc49002 + sc48603 + sc48404 + sc48103.

    I've added it to the Photos section of this Yahoo Group.


    Rob

    PS The sender also suggested I should start a page of sightings of
    APT to include when vatrious vehicles were spotted in action ? - has
    anyone got such details ? (I never was a 'trainspotter' :-( if so can
    you email me - thanks)
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 881 From: aarontaffera Date: 27/08/2002
    Subject: E-train status
    When E train testing was complete it moved to NRM "under its own
    power." I have since seen a few posts that it cannot run today. Why
    is this so?
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 882 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 27/08/2002
    Subject: Re: E-train status
    Hi,
    Yes Im affraid its true.
    Reason, she has been outside with no cover, no work taken out on
    her for over 26+ years. From time to time she gets shunted in and
    out of the NRM sidings.

    Without major work to all the systems in the train, due to water
    ingress and rusting and general deterioration of everything, she
    will never more under her own power again, but we do have plans to
    get PC2 or TC1 to tilt again, Kit is pushing that one for some
    reason?????? It will be so nice to see.

    When she gets to Shildon, at least she will be under cover and we
    can make a really good display of her, new paint job and stuff. We
    have already started work on repairing the bodywork on PC2, see
    http://www.apt-e.org/workdays/17August2002/17August2002.htm

    Hope this answers your question.

    Regards

    Paul

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    <aarontaffera@y...> wrote:
    > When E train testing was complete it moved to NRM "under its own
    > power." I have since seen a few posts that it cannot run today.
    Why
    > is this so?