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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 781	From: brainteaser_uk	Date: 29/05/2002
Subject: Just being naive

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 782	From: Steve Mosby	Date: 30/05/2002
Subject: Re: Just being naive

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 784	From: Steve Mosby	Date: 30/05/2002
Subject: Re: Just being naive

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 785	From: Nick Evans	Date: 30/05/2002
Subject: Last work day

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 786	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 31/05/2002
Subject: Re: Last E Train work day

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 787	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 01/06/2002
Subject: APT-E Website update

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 788	From: Ian Ellis	Date: 03/06/2002
Subject: APT-P Repaint - The 'OFFICIAL' Unveiling?

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 789	From: aptp370	Date: 04/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Repaint - The 'OFFICIAL' Unveiling?

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 790	From: Kit Spackman	Date: 05/06/2002
Subject: Why Tilt?

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 791	From: andrew_walker6	Date: 06/06/2002
Subject: Railway Magazine on Yahoo Auctions

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 792	From: apt_p	Date: 06/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Repaint - The 'OFFICIAL' Unveiling?

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 793	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: APT-E Intercom Tapes

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 794	From: aptp370	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: Virgin Reveal All !

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 795	From: Nick Wheat	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: "Rare" Item on Ebay

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 796	From: Kit Spackman	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: EASTERN Region?

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 797	From: Simon Bendall	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Reveal All !

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 798	From: aptp370	Date: 08/06/2002
Subject: Virgins at Crewe

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 799	From: Simon Bendall	Date: 08/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgins at Crewe

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 800	From: Nick Evans	Date: 09/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-E Intercom Tapes

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 802	From: Ian Ellis	Date: 10/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgins at Crewe

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 803	From: aptp370	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Virgin Poster

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 804	From: Andy	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Poster

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 805	From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: New poll for Advanced-Passenger-Train

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 806	From: Steve Mosby	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 807	From: David Babb	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 808	From: apt_p	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Poster

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 809	From: Andrew Walker	Date: 15/06/2002
Subject: Virgin Poster

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 810	From: Ian Ellis	Date: 15/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgins at Crewe

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 811	From: aarontaffera	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Unveiling / Poster

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 812	From: apt_p	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 813	From: modelefx	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 814	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint = Photo

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 815	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint = Photo (2)

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 816	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint = Power Car

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 817	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: APT, Pendolino & HST(125)

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 818	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: The Future of Tilt

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 819	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: "The" Unveiling!

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 820	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Unveiling / Repaint - 370003/48103

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 821	From: modelefx	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: Unveiling / Repaint - 370003/48103

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 822	From: Kit Spackman	Date: 17/06/2002
Subject: 'God'

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 823	From: Andy	Date: 17/06/2002
Subject: APT & Pendolino from WCML

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 824	From: Andy	Date: 17/06/2002
Subject: APT & Pendolino/Crewe Station

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 825	From: modelefx	Date: 20/06/2002
Subject: on ebay

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 826	From: Harry Frank Sandford	Date: 23/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 827	From: Gerry Bates	Date: 23/06/2002
Subject: Speed records

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 828	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Speed records

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 829	From: Gerry Bates	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Re: Speed records

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 830	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Speed records

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 831	From: Gerry Bates	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Re: Speed records

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 832	From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Poll results for Advanced-Passenger-Train

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 781	From: brainteaser_uk	Date: 29/05/2002
Subject: Just being naive

Hi there i'm a new YOUNG (not saying you are old of corse!!) member
of your group(i'm 14) and fell in love with the APT when i saw the
APT - E about 2 years ago. It makes me want to cry when i think of
those beautiful trains being destroyed and i just like to ask why the
APT - P project was scrapped and what happened to the APT - P remains
when they were destroyed (would quite like a nose cone!) and why were
they scrapped and not sold to private collections?
If any of you can answer these questions i would be so grateful
regards
Gareth South

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 782	From: Steve Mosby	Date: 30/05/2002
Subject: Re: Just being naive

>why were
> they scrapped and not sold to private collections?

There are still two trains. APT-P and APT-E.

Apt-p is at The Railway age [http://www.therailwayage.co.uk], Crewe
APT-P Support group site: http://www.apt-p.com

Apt-e is at the National Railway Museum (Still after 26 years!)
[http://www.nrm.org.uk], York.
Apt-e support site is http://www.apt-e.org

Hope these help

Steve :)

------------------------------------------
Steve Mosby
"Quitters never win, winners never quit, But those who never win AND never
quit are Idiots"
Network Executive
NVAS
http://www.nvas.net
--------------------------------

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----- Original Message -----
From: "brainteaser_uk" <brainteaser_uk@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:23 PM
Subject: <APT Group> Just being naive

> Hi there i'm a new YOUNG (not saying you are old of corse!!) member
> of your group(i'm 14) and fell in love with the APT when i saw the
> APT - E about 2 years ago. It makes me want to cry when i think of
> those beautiful trains being destroyed and i just like to ask why the
> APT - P project was scrapped and what happened to the APT - P remains
> when they were destroyed (would quite like a nose cone!) and why were
> they scrapped and not sold to private collections?
> If any of you can answer these questions i would be so grateful
> regards
> Gareth South
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 784	From: Steve Mosby	Date: 30/05/2002
Subject: Re: Just being naive

Appologies for the two emails... have no idea why it sent two..

However just as a addition in this one, the Apt-e website is currently
viewable at
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/york1/aptindex.htm

Regards ;)

------------------------------------------
Steve Mosby
Network Executive
NVAS
http://www.nvas.net
--------------------------------

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unauthorised - please notify the sender by return and delete the message.
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(c) 2002 NVAS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Mosby" <steven.mosby@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: <APT Group> Just being naive

> >why were
> > they scrapped and not sold to private collections?
>
> There are still two trains. APT-P and APT-E.
>
> Apt-p is at The Railway age [http://www.therailwayage.co.uk], Crewe
> APT-P Support group site: http://www.apt-p.com
>
> Apt-e is at the National Railway Museum (Still after 26 years!)
> [http://www.nrm.org.uk], York.
> Apt-e support site is http://www.apt-e.org
>
> Hope these help
>
> Steve :)
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Steve Mosby
> "Quitters never win, winners never quit, But those who never win AND never
> quit are Idiots"
> Network Executive
> NVAS
> http://www.nvas.net
> --------------------------------
>
> The contents of this email and any attachments are sent for the personal
> attention
> of the addressee(s) only and may be confidential. If you are not the
> intended
> addressee, any use, disclosure or copying of this email and any
attachments
> is
> unauthorised - please notify the sender by return and delete the message.
> Any
> representations or commitments expressed in this email are subject to
> contract.
>
> (c) 2002 NVAS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brainteaser_uk" <brainteaser_uk@...>
> To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: <APT Group> Just being naive
>
>
> > Hi there i'm a new YOUNG (not saying you are old of corse!!) member
> > of your group(i'm 14) and fell in love with the APT when i saw the
> > APT - E about 2 years ago. It makes me want to cry when i think of
> > those beautiful trains being destroyed and i just like to ask why the
> > APT - P project was scrapped and what happened to the APT - P remains
> > when they were destroyed (would quite like a nose cone!) and why were
> > they scrapped and not sold to private collections?
> > If any of you can answer these questions i would be so grateful
> > regards
> > Gareth South
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 785	From: Nick Evans	Date: 30/05/2002
Subject: Last work day

Hey all

Can someone give me an idea of what happend on the last apt-e work day as i
was unable to attend.

Cheers
Nick

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 786	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 31/05/2002
Subject: Re: Last E Train work day

Hi Nick,
Sorry for the lack of update on the E train website, but I have been
working hard to get the site updated for the new domain, also i
wasnt well on the last workday so didnt take any photos of the guys
working.

We continued working on the roof panels of PC2 and also watch the TV
news item that Tyne Tees made about E train and the support group,
its about 10 mins long.

The new website is just about ready, although there are a few errors
still in it, but Im gonna make it live anyway before the old site
gets closed down on the 5th June.

With a little luck, it should be on by the end of today.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Nick Evans"
<nicky.p.evans@b...> wrote:

> Hey all
>
> Can someone give me an idea of what happend on the last apt-e work

day as i

> was unable to attend.
>
> Cheers
> Nick

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 787	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 01/06/2002
Subject: APT-E Website update

Just to let you all know that the new APT-E website is now on-line.

Please could you report any broken links, missing graphics or in
general any faults to PAUL@... stating which page, and what
the fault is, thanks for you help on this matter.

I think ive got them all, but you never know?

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Steve Mosby"
<steven.mosby@n...> wrote:

> Appologies for the two emails... have no idea why it sent two..
>
> However just as a addition in this one, the Apt-e website is

currently

> viewable at
> http://www2.prestel.co.uk/york1/aptindex.htm
>
> Regards ;)
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Steve Mosby
> Network Executive
> NVAS
> http://www.nvas.net
> --------------------------------
>
> The contents of this email and any attachments are sent for the

personal

> attention
> of the addressee(s) only and may be confidential. If you are not

the

> intended
> addressee, any use, disclosure or copying of this email and any

attachments

> is
> unauthorised - please notify the sender by return and delete the

message.

> Any
> representations or commitments expressed in this email are subject

> contract.
>
> (c) 2002 NVAS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Mosby" <steven.mosby@n...>
> To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:55 AM
> Subject: Re: <APT Group> Just being naive
>
>
> > >why were
> > > they scrapped and not sold to private collections?
> >
> > There are still two trains. APT-P and APT-E.
> >
> > Apt-p is at The Railway age [http://www.therailwayage.co.uk],

Crewe

> > APT-P Support group site: http://www.apt-p.com
> >
> > Apt-e is at the National Railway Museum (Still after 26 years!)
> > [http://www.nrm.org.uk], York.
> > Apt-e support site is http://www.apt-e.org
> >
> > Hope these help
> >
> > Steve :)
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Steve Mosby
> > "Quitters never win, winners never quit, But those who never win

AND never

> > quit are Idiots"
> > Network Executive
> > NVAS
> > http://www.nvas.net
> > --------------------------------
> >
> > The contents of this email and any attachments are sent for the

personal

> > attention
> > of the addressee(s) only and may be confidential. If you are not

the

> > intended
> > addressee, any use, disclosure or copying of this email and any
> attachments
> > is
> > unauthorised - please notify the sender by return and delete the

message.

> > Any
> > representations or commitments expressed in this email are

subject to

> > contract.
> >
> > (c) 2002 NVAS
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brainteaser_uk" <brainteaser_uk@y...>
> > To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:23 PM
> > Subject: <APT Group> Just being naive
> >
> >
> > > Hi there i'm a new YOUNG (not saying you are old of corse!!)

member

> > > of your group(i'm 14) and fell in love with the APT when i saw

the

> > > APT - E about 2 years ago. It makes me want to cry when i

think of

> > > those beautiful trains being destroyed and i just like to ask

why the

> > > APT - P project was scrapped and what happened to the APT - P

remains

> > > when they were destroyed (would quite like a nose cone!) and

why were

> > > they scrapped and not sold to private collections?
> > > If any of you can answer these questions i would be so grateful
> > > regards
> > > Gareth South
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> >
> >

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 788	From: Ian Ellis	Date: 03/06/2002
Subject: APT-P Repaint - The 'OFFICIAL' Unveiling?

I have noticed from the APT-P website that no more updates of the current
repaint are to be posted until the 'Official' unveiling. Could someone
please answer the following questions:

1) When will the official unveiling take place?
2) Can the general public attend?
3) Has it been decided which logos will be applied to both sides of the
power car?

Any help on the above questions would be much appreciated.

TIA,
Ian

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 789	From: aptp370	Date: 04/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Repaint - The 'OFFICIAL' Unveiling?

Hi Ian and all other APT Group members

A meeting is taking place tommorrow (Wednesday) with LNWR and VIRGIN
to finalise the arrangements for the 'unveiling' of the APT-P in it's
completed state.

They will also decide on the logos to be applied to the powercar, as
this will obviously have a great impact on any official photographs
to be taken on that day (s).

Also details of press / public access on that day (s) will also be
finalised.

In addition to the above the exhibition is also crrently being
prepared (I've been slaving over a hot scapel and PhotoShop for hours
now ! - still not too late for anyone with really good pictures /
ideas to have their input (Kit ?? - how's about that 'Why Tilt'
explanation)

Sorry to be so vague - I hope it'll be worth the wait !

Rob
www.apt-p.com

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 790	From: Kit Spackman	Date: 05/06/2002
Subject: Why Tilt?

Rob,

>(Kit ?? - how's about that 'Why Tilt' explanation)<

Oh rats! How long have I got? About 40% of it is done already.

Regards
Kit

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 791	From: andrew_walker6	Date: 06/06/2002
Subject: Railway Magazine on Yahoo Auctions

I saw this acution

Selection of Railway Mags 8 in total comprising of, Aug 1968 - Dec
1969 - Feb 1975 - June 1975 - Dec 1975 - Feb 1976 - March 1976 -
April 1976.All mags in nice clean condition.Interesting articles nice
photographs and advertisements from a bygone age.

One of these has a photo of E-train, so I Imagine an article as well.

http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/uk/auction/66248557?
aucview=0x10

Hope this is of interest to someone.

Regards

Andrew

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 792	From: apt_p	Date: 06/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Repaint - The 'OFFICIAL' Unveiling?

>A meeting is taking place tommorrow (Wednesday) with LNWR and VIRGIN

to finalise the arrangements for the 'unveiling' of the APT-P in it's
completed state.

Hi All,

Rob, do you know the outcome of the meeting? i.e. date etc....

Take Care,
Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 793	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: APT-E Intercom Tapes

Hi All,
Ive just posted the "Brain Porter Collection" up onto the E train
website.

I have encoded 2 of the Western Region intercom tapes and placed
then up for download.

They are in realplayer format and are about 700k in size each.

Each run lasts about 14 mins.

Brian has loads of other stuff for me to look at so with luck, this
section should grow in the next few months.

See what you think

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group
www.apt-e.org

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 794	From: aptp370	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: Virgin Reveal All !

APT and Pendolino unveiled
Legendary Crewe Driver honoured with Class 90 naming

CREWE HERITAGE CENTRE
SUNDAY 16th JUNE AT 13:00

On Sunday 16th June at 1300, the repainted APT will be unveiled, with
one of our new Pendolino units positioned alongside. This will
present a unique photo opportunity from the top of the adjacent Crewe
North signal box, in which the two generations of tilting trains will
be captured together for the first time.

During the event a Class 90 locomotive will be named Driver Tom Clark
O.B.E. In 1936, Driver Tom Clark O.B.E. a Crewe locomotive driver,
drove LMS Princess Royal Class locomotive 6201 Princess Elizabeth non
stop between Euston and Glasgow Central in record time and back again
the following day. He also wrestled the world steam speed record off
the LNER when driving 6220 Coronation at 114 mph a year later, which
was later reclaimed by the LNER. Tom was awarded the O.B.E. for his
non stop runs between Euston and Glasgow; This was presented to him
by King George VI after working the Royal Train. Tom Clark also
appeared in the publicity photographs taken at Edge Hill for the
launch of the Hornby O Gauge locomotive.

We are grateful to Crewe Heritage Centre, The London & North Western
Railway Company, Pete Waterman and the Locomotive 6201 Princess
Elizabeth Locomotive Society for playing a major part in the event on
16 June. To make sure that there are plenty of photographic
opportunities for our trade friends, Mrs Pam Brooks (Driver Tom
Clark's granddaughter) will be present with Tom's O.B.E., we will
recreate the photograph used by Hornby in 1937 and finally 6201
Princess Elizabeth will be in steam to provide the atmosphere!

Dennis Lovett
Deputy to Director, Corporate Affairs

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 795	From: Nick Wheat	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: "Rare" Item on Ebay

Hi everyone

An unusual item on Ebay - Eastern Region (!) operating instructions for
the APT

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2110842417

Regards

Nick

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 796	From: Kit Spackman	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: EASTERN Region?

Nick,

>An unusual item on Ebay - Eastern Region (!) operating instructions for

the APT<

Now that would be interesting! When P-Train was running on the West Coast
main line there wasn't any 25kV on the east coast, so I wonder whatever was
in their minds....

Regards
Kit

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 797	From: Simon Bendall	Date: 07/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Reveal All !

>CREWE HERITAGE CENTRE
>SUNDAY 16th JUNE AT 13:00
>On Sunday 16th June at 1300, the repainted APT will be
>unveiled, with one of our new Pendolino units positioned
>alongside.

Is this open to the public as I've been told that its for invited
guests only?

Simon

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 798	From: aptp370	Date: 08/06/2002
Subject: Virgins at Crewe

Hi Simon et al

DL of VT said on the 'phone that their will be no problem
allowing public access on the day (normal weekend admission prices
will be in force) - just that Virgin won't feed them ! - that will be
in a reserved part of our exhibition hall.

Best Wishes

Rob

PS who told you that it was invitees only ??

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 799	From: Simon Bendall	Date: 08/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgins at Crewe

>DL of VT said on the 'phone that their will be no problem
>allowing public access on the day (normal weekend
>admission prices will be in force)

Great, be nice to see the APT in all its glory again!!

>PS who told you that it was invitees only ??

A member of the railway press who I know believed it was.

Simon

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 800	From: Nick Evans	Date: 09/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-E Intercom Tapes

Good one Paul,
This stuff is great, get posting with the other stuff.....
can't wait :-)

Nick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@...>
To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 9:20 AM
Subject: <APT Group> APT-E Intercom Tapes

> Hi All,
> Ive just posted the "Brain Porter Collection" up onto the E train
> website.
>
> I have encoded 2 of the Western Region intercom tapes and placed
> then up for download.
>
> They are in realplayer format and are about 700k in size each.
>
> Each run lasts about 14 mins.
>
> Brian has loads of other stuff for me to look at so with luck, this
> section should grow in the next few months.
>
> See what you think
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> APT-E Conservation & Support Group
> www.apt-e.org
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 802	From: Ian Ellis	Date: 10/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgins at Crewe

>normal weekend admission prices will be in force

What are the normal weekend admission prices for adults & children?

TIA,
Ian

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 803	From: aptp370	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Virgin Poster

Does this look familiar to anyone ? - I wonder where they got that
idea from....

See Photos section as I can't find an add attachments option ??

Look forward to seeing some of you on Sunday

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 804	From: Andy	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Poster

Attachments :

>Does this look familiar to anyone?

YES!!

>I wonder where they got that idea from

Hmmm....I wonder....

I personally prefer the APT-P poster.

As for "The shape of travel to come" - Maybe

As for "The most advanced passenger train" - Bloomin cheek! If that's what Virgin want it to be known as, why didn't they call it "Pendolino APT"? or P-APT?

Take Care,

Andy

P.S. Which poster do you prefer? I think it's time for a poll....

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 805	From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: New poll for Advanced-Passenger-Train

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Advanced-Passenger-Train group:

"The shape of travel to come" - Which
poster do you prefer?

o APT-P
o Virgin Pendolino

To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 806	From: Steve Mosby	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster

Hi all

--------------------

Rob (aptp370) wrote:

>Does this look familiar to anyone?

--------------------

I'm sure everyone will agree - yes!!!

--------------------

Andy (Andy) wrote:

>As for "The most advanced passenger train" - Bloomin cheek! If that's what Virgin want it to be known as, why didn't they call it "Pendolino APT"? or P-APT?

--------------------

Possibly because they dont want to get the bad publicity that the Apt recieved after the party... Just hope they dont all get drunk this time round (!)

--------------------

Andy (Andy) wrote:

>P.S. Which poster do you prefer? I think it's time for a poll....

--------------------

Definatly a easy answer ;)

Regards,

Steve Mosby
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 807	From: David Babb	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster

I actually think its kind of sweet, in the same thinking as the photo opp
of the APT-P at Crewe, like admiting its related

Dave Babb,
(MSTS APT-P)

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 808	From: apt_p	Date: 14/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgin Poster

> Look forward to seeing some of you on Sunday

Fingers crossed!! I will hopefully be there, work permitting!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 809	From: Andrew Walker	Date: 15/06/2002
Subject: Virgin Poster

I think we're all a bit biased.

I've voted for the APT-P Poster.

That's because I think the APT is one of those great Seventies Designs.

It's a great train should never have been shelved and I just Love it.

I think the Virgin train looks great too, modern and up to date.

The poster is good as well, even if they have stolen all the APT's glory.

However the point made by someone else is true, we know the APT wasn't a
failure,
but most people think it was a failure and using the name APT would not be
good PR
even if us enthusiasts and historians know the truth.

Regards

Andrew

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> From: Advanced-Passenger-Train
> 4. Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster
> From: "Steve Mosby" <steven.mosby@...>
> 5. Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster
> From: "David Babb" <babbd@...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:52:28 -0000
> From: "aptp370" <rob@...>
> Subject: Virgin Poster
>
> Does this look familiar to anyone ? - I wonder where they got that
> idea from....
>
>
> See Photos section as I can't find an add attachments option ??
>
>
>
> Look forward to seeing some of you on Sunday
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> Message: 2
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> From: "Andy" <AndyAppleton@...>
> Subject: Re: Virgin Poster
>
> >Does this look familiar to anyone?
>
> YES!!
>
> >I wonder where they got that idea from
>
> Hmmm....I wonder....
>
> I personally prefer the APT-P poster.
>
> As for "The shape of travel to come" - Maybe
>
> As for "The most advanced passenger train" - Bloomin cheek! If that's what
Virgin want it to be known as, why didn't they call it "Pendolino APT"? or
P-APT?
>
>
> Take Care,
> Andy
>
> P.S. Which poster do you prefer? I think it's time for a poll....
>
>
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> Subject: New poll for Advanced-Passenger-Train
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>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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> "The shape of travel to come" - Which
> poster do you prefer?
>
> o APT-P
> o Virgin Pendolino
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> From: "Steve Mosby" <steven.mosby@...>
> Subject: Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster
>
> Hi all
>
> --------------------
> Rob (aptp370) wrote:
> >Does this look familiar to anyone?
> --------------------
>
> I'm sure everyone will agree - yes!!!
>
> --------------------
> Andy (Andy) wrote:
> >As for "The most advanced passenger train" - Bloomin cheek! If that's
what Virgin want it to be known as, why didn't they call it "Pendolino APT"?
or P-APT?
> --------------------
>
> Possibly because they dont want to get the bad publicity that the Apt
recieved after the party... Just hope they dont all get drunk this time
round (!)
>
> --------------------
> Andy (Andy) wrote:
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> --------------------
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> Definatly a easy answer ;)
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> From: "David Babb" <babbd@...>
> Subject: Re: Virgin Trains "Apt" Poster
>
>
> I actually think its kind of sweet, in the same thinking as the photo opp
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> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:47:59 -0000
> From: "apt_p" <AndyAppleton@...>
> Subject: Re: Virgin Poster
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> > Look forward to seeing some of you on Sunday
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 810	From: Ian Ellis	Date: 15/06/2002
Subject: Re: Virgins at Crewe

Will the APT be open to the public tomorrow?

Regards,
Ian

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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 811	From: aarontaffera	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Unveiling / Poster

I think the folks at Virgin took the information from the APT Poster
for a very specific reason, the same reason they have been so
generous to fund the APT-P repaint: They want the public to see the
APT for what it really is, a work of magnificent engineering, and not
what the press made it out to be 20 years ago. After all, many people
who don't know what really happened to APT think it was a failure.

Even if the general public doesn't remember the original poster, the
words "the most advanced passenger train" on the Virgin poster will
surely jog memories of the APT, and maybe people will finally realize
the APT was a victim not of untested technology but of a lack of
financial support to keep the project going. When that support is in
place great things happen, and that is why Pendolino is traveling on
the very tracks where APT should have logged many millions of miles.

Who from the press were there to cover the event?

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 812	From: apt_p	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint

Hello everyone,

I've just returned from Crewe after seeing the 'unveiling' of the APT-
P. A special stage was erected especially for the press but I managed
to sneak on, I will post some photos later.

It was a great day with everyone commenting on how "fantastic" the
APT looks after her repaint - well done guys!

Take Care,
Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 813	From: modelefx	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint

PHOTOS!!! :-)
I'm 6000 miles away, wish I could have been there.

Lee

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "apt_p" <AndyAppleton@b...>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I've just returned from Crewe after seeing the 'unveiling' of the

APT-

> P. A special stage was erected especially for the press but I

managed

> to sneak on, I will post some photos later.
>
> It was a great day with everyone commenting on how "fantastic" the
> APT looks after her repaint - well done guys!
>
> Take Care,
> Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 814	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint = Photo

Attachments :

Here's the first of many.....

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 815	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint = Photo (2)

Attachments :

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 816	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint = Power Car

Attachments :

Power car 49002

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 817	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: APT, Pendolino & HST(125)

Attachments :

The past, the future & today.......

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 818	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: The Future of Tilt

Attachments :

Virgin's tilting fleet, Pendolino & a pair of 'Super Voyagers'.

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 819	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: "The" Unveiling!

Attachments :

So here it is....Chris Green even referred to the APT-P as "God"!!!! Calling the Pendolino it's son!

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 820	From: Andy	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Unveiling / Repaint - 370003/48103

Attachments :

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 821	From: modelefx	Date: 16/06/2002
Subject: Re: Unveiling / Repaint - 370003/48103

VERY NICE!

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Andy" <AndyAppleton@b...>
wrote:

> Enjoy!
> Andy
>
> Copyright © 2002 A Appleton

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 822	From: Kit Spackman	Date: 17/06/2002
Subject: 'God'

>So here it is....Chris Green even referred to the APT-P as "God"!!!!

Calling the Pendolino it's son!<

Hmmm, wonder what that makes E-Train then, let alone POP...... <g>

Regards
Kit

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 823	From: Andy	Date: 17/06/2002
Subject: APT & Pendolino from WCML

Attachments :

Here's a view from the WCML of the APT & Pendolino.

To take this shot I had to wait at Crewe station for two hours until MK3 rolling stock arrived so I could stick my head/camera out of the window to take the shot!

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 824	From: Andy	Date: 17/06/2002
Subject: APT & Pendolino/Crewe Station

Attachments :

Here's the view from Crewe Station, Platform 5.

Enjoy!

Andy

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 825	From: modelefx	Date: 20/06/2002
Subject: on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2114085749

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 826	From: Harry Frank Sandford	Date: 23/06/2002
Subject: Re: APT-P Unveiling / Repaint

The APT looks like they have just taken it off the main line and that is comming of someone who never saw it on the mine line. She is fantastic and any other words you can find to say about her that is GOOD

H.F.Sandford

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Hello everyone, I've just returned from Crewe after seeing the 'unveiling' of the APT- P. A special stage was erected especially for the press but I managed to sneak on, I will post some photos later. It was a great day with everyone commenting on how "fantastic" the APT looks after her repaint - well done guys! Take Care, Andy
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 827	From: Gerry Bates	Date: 23/06/2002
Subject: Speed records

Kit (and anyone else with information!)

I visited the CTRL last week with the RSA (Railway Study Association). As I suspected, they are going to have a big media event for the breaking of P-train's speed record! Intriguing to think that both APT's absolute speed record and IC225's "in service" speed record are due to be broken in a matter of months! (Dubious that "in service" record - a nominal two people had paid a fare!)

I promised to provide their PR Chief with some information on APT and Class 91 records and, out of interest, I was also supplying the same for E-train. However, I have found an anomaly in Hugh's book.

Page 59 describes passing Didcot on 10 August, reaching "151mph (242km/hr)" and finally "152.3mph (244km/hr)". I understood that the record was 152.3mph which makes the 244km/hr anomalous as 152.3mph is 245km/hr. I presume the 244km/hr is erroneous.

Regards

Gerry

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 828	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Speed records

Hi Gerry,
E trains speed record was 152.3mph 245kph so go with that one for
the E train record.

What are they going to use to try, "TRY" and break P trains speed
record with?

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Gerry Bates" <gerry@w...>
wrote:

> Kit (and anyone else with information!)
>
> I visited the CTRL last week with the RSA (Railway Study

Association). As I suspected, they are going to have a big media
event for the breaking of P-train's speed record! Intriguing to
think that both APT's absolute speed record and IC225's "in service"
speed record are due to be broken in a matter of months! (Dubious
that "in service" record - a nominal two people had paid a fare!)

>
> I promised to provide their PR Chief with some information on APT

and Class 91 records and, out of interest, I was also supplying the
same for E-train. However, I have found an anomaly in Hugh's book.

>
> Page 59 describes passing Didcot on 10 August, reaching "151mph

(242km/hr)" and finally "152.3mph (244km/hr)". I understood that the
record was 152.3mph which makes the 244km/hr anomalous as 152.3mph
is 245km/hr. I presume the 244km/hr is erroneous.

>
> Regards
>
> Gerry

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 829	From: Gerry Bates	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Re: Speed records

Thanks, Paul.

What are they going to use to try and break P trains speed record with? I'm afraid we have to admit that, even now, a whole set of British trains is regularly exceeding P-train's British rail speed record by over 20mph, albeit not in Britain. When Section 1 of the CTRL is completed in 2003 this will become a regular event in Kent, even if no further north!

Regards

Gerry

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 24/06/02 at 09:27 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:

>Hi Gerry,
>E trains speed record was 152.3mph 245kph so go with that one for
>the E train record.
>
>What are they going to use to try, "TRY" and break P trains speed
>record with?
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
>--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Gerry Bates" <gerry@w...>
>wrote:
>> Kit (and anyone else with information!)
>>
>> I visited the CTRL last week with the RSA (Railway Study
>Association). As I suspected, they are going to have a big media
>event for the breaking of P-train's speed record! Intriguing to
>think that both APT's absolute speed record and IC225's "in service"
>speed record are due to be broken in a matter of months! (Dubious
>that "in service" record - a nominal two people had paid a fare!)
>>
>> I promised to provide their PR Chief with some information on APT
>and Class 91 records and, out of interest, I was also supplying the
>same for E-train. However, I have found an anomaly in Hugh's book.
>>
>> Page 59 describes passing Didcot on 10 August, reaching "151mph
>(242km/hr)" and finally "152.3mph (244km/hr)". I understood that the
>record was 152.3mph which makes the 244km/hr anomalous as 152.3mph
>is 245km/hr. I presume the 244km/hr is erroneous.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gerry
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 830	From: Silver_Dream_Racer	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Speed records

Hi Gerry,
The eurostars havent done it in this country yet, so we can hold on
to our proper speed record for a bit longer yet, yes, the price of
progress i suppose, but APT-P has held the record for over 20 years
which isnt bad,its about time someone else had a go. Id still like
to see Eurostars do 162+ mph on the WCML, I doubt we will ever see
that in my lifetime, from any loco on that line.

I think if APT would have gone into full service you would be seeing
180+ mph APTs now in this country. I doubt that the railways would
have fallen to bits, if we could / should have shown the world APT
technology worked and was up for sale. Imagine the income from the
sale of the technology and the building of other countrys rolling
stock here, instead of the other way round.

If only...........................................

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Gerry Bates" <gerry@w...>
wrote:

> Thanks, Paul.
>
> What are they going to use to try and break P trains speed record

with? I'm afraid we have to admit that, even now, a whole set of
British trains is regularly exceeding P-train's British rail speed
record by over 20mph, albeit not in Britain. When Section 1 of the
CTRL is completed in 2003 this will become a regular event in Kent,
even if no further north!

>
> Regards
>
> Gerry
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 24/06/02 at 09:27 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:
>
> >Hi Gerry,
> >E trains speed record was 152.3mph 245kph so go with that one for
> >the E train record.
> >
> >What are they going to use to try, "TRY" and break P trains speed
> >record with?
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Gerry Bates" <gerry@w...>
> >wrote:
> >> Kit (and anyone else with information!)
> >>
> >> I visited the CTRL last week with the RSA (Railway Study
> >Association). As I suspected, they are going to have a big media
> >event for the breaking of P-train's speed record! Intriguing to
> >think that both APT's absolute speed record and IC225's "in

service"

> >speed record are due to be broken in a matter of months! (Dubious
> >that "in service" record - a nominal two people had paid a fare!)
> >>
> >> I promised to provide their PR Chief with some information on

APT

> >and Class 91 records and, out of interest, I was also supplying

the

> >same for E-train. However, I have found an anomaly in Hugh's book.
> >>
> >> Page 59 describes passing Didcot on 10 August, reaching "151mph
> >(242km/hr)" and finally "152.3mph (244km/hr)". I understood that

the

> >record was 152.3mph which makes the 244km/hr anomalous as

152.3mph

> >is 245km/hr. I presume the 244km/hr is erroneous.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 831	From: Gerry Bates	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Re: Re: Speed records

Paul

You're absolutely right of course. Unfortunately, our political masters, of whatever shade, have always taken the blinkered, short-term view and pioneering, visionary projects have always been non-starters.

Another example is the closing of the Great Central line, built to Berne gauge, at the same time as the Wilson government was entering into negotiations with the French over the construction of a Channel tunnel in the 70s.

Regards

Gerry

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 24/06/02 at 13:23 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:

>Hi Gerry,
>The eurostars havent done it in this country yet, so we can hold on
>to our proper speed record for a bit longer yet, yes, the price of
>progress i suppose, but APT-P has held the record for over 20 years
>which isnt bad,its about time someone else had a go. Id still like
>to see Eurostars do 162+ mph on the WCML, I doubt we will ever see
>that in my lifetime, from any loco on that line.
>
>I think if APT would have gone into full service you would be seeing
>180+ mph APTs now in this country. I doubt that the railways would
>have fallen to bits, if we could / should have shown the world APT
>technology worked and was up for sale. Imagine the income from the
>sale of the technology and the building of other countrys rolling
>stock here, instead of the other way round.
>
>If only...........................................
>
>Regards
>
>Paul
>
>--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Gerry Bates" <gerry@w...>
>wrote:
>> Thanks, Paul.
>>
>> What are they going to use to try and break P trains speed record
>with? I'm afraid we have to admit that, even now, a whole set of
>British trains is regularly exceeding P-train's British rail speed
>record by over 20mph, albeit not in Britain. When Section 1 of the
>CTRL is completed in 2003 this will become a regular event in Kent,
>even if no further north!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gerry
>>
>> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>>
>> On 24/06/02 at 09:27 Silver_Dream_Racer wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Gerry,
>> >E trains speed record was 152.3mph 245kph so go with that one for
>> >the E train record.
>> >
>> >What are they going to use to try, "TRY" and break P trains speed
>> >record with?
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Paul
>> >
>> >--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Gerry Bates" <gerry@w...>
>> >wrote:
>> >> Kit (and anyone else with information!)
>> >>
>> >> I visited the CTRL last week with the RSA (Railway Study
>> >Association). As I suspected, they are going to have a big media
>> >event for the breaking of P-train's speed record! Intriguing to
>> >think that both APT's absolute speed record and IC225's "in
>service"
>> >speed record are due to be broken in a matter of months! (Dubious
>> >that "in service" record - a nominal two people had paid a fare!)
>> >>
>> >> I promised to provide their PR Chief with some information on
>APT
>> >and Class 91 records and, out of interest, I was also supplying
>the
>> >same for E-train. However, I have found an anomaly in Hugh's book.
>> >>
>> >> Page 59 describes passing Didcot on 10 August, reaching "151mph
>> >(242km/hr)" and finally "152.3mph (244km/hr)". I understood that
>the
>> >record was 152.3mph which makes the 244km/hr anomalous as
>152.3mph
>> >is 245km/hr. I presume the 244km/hr is erroneous.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Gerry
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train	Message: 832	From: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com	Date: 24/06/2002
Subject: Poll results for Advanced-Passenger-Train

The following Advanced-Passenger-Train poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: "The shape of travel to come" - Which
poster do you prefer?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- APT-P, 14 votes, 87.50%
- Virgin Pendolino, 2 votes, 12.50%

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