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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 575 From: Andy Appleton Date: 07/12/2001
Subject: Rocket 150 Tickets
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 576 From: apt_p Date: 07/12/2001
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday P-Train!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 577 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 07/12/2001
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday P-Train!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 578 From: Kit Spackman Date: 08/12/2001
Subject: [APT Group] Digest Number 252
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 579 From: Andy Appleton Date: 10/12/2001
Subject: APT-P Postcard
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 580 From: Kit Spackman Date: 11/12/2001
Subject: At last it's the Discovery APT-E progamme!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 581 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 11/12/2001
Subject: Re: At last it's the Discovery APT-E progamme!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 582 From: Nick Wheat Date: 12/12/2001
Subject: Re: APT
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 583 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/12/2001
Subject: P-Train in Scotland
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 584 From: David Babb Date: 17/12/2001
Subject: Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 585 From: Steven Mosby Date: 17/12/2001
Subject: Re: [APT Group] Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 586 From: aptp370 Date: 17/12/2001
Subject: Re: [APT Group] Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 587 From: David Babb Date: 18/12/2001
Subject: Re: [APT Group] Drawings
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 588 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/12/2001
Subject: APT-P in MSTS
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 590 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 26/12/2001
Subject: Screen shots from Trainz!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 591 From: Steven Mosby Date: 26/12/2001
Subject: Once again.. someone's made a mistake about the APT...
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 592 From: dave_babb Date: 27/12/2001
Subject: Re: APT-P in MSTS
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 594 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/12/2001
Subject: E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 595 From: Steven Mosby Date: 30/12/2001
Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 596 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/12/2001
Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 597 From: Steven Mosby Date: 30/12/2001
Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 598 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/12/2001
Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 599 From: Ian Ellis Date: 31/12/2001
Subject: APT/Tilting Train Links
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 600 From: Ian Ellis Date: 31/12/2001
Subject: 'Down To Earth' - Modern Railways, April 1976
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 601 From: Kit Spackman Date: 01/01/2002
Subject: 'Down to Earth' or down in the dirt?
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 602 From: cr3000@excite.com Date: 01/01/2002
Subject: new webpage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 603 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 02/01/2002
Subject: Update on APT-E MSTS Model
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 604 From: Gerry Bates Date: 03/01/2002
Subject: West Coast Tilt
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 605 From: Gerry Bates Date: 03/01/2002
Subject: Re: [APT Group] new webpage
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 606 From: Andy Appleton Date: 05/01/2002
Subject: Hornby APT For Sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 607 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 06/01/2002
Subject: APT-E News Update
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 608 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 09/01/2002
Subject: APT-E News update for MSTS
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 609 From: eth1607688@aol.com Date: 11/01/2002
Subject: Re: [APT Group] APT-E News update for MSTS
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 610 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/01/2002
Subject: [APT Group] Digest Number 268
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 611 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 12/01/2002
Subject: Re: [APT Group] Digest Number 268
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 612 From: andrew_walker6 Date: 14/01/2002
Subject: Re-running of Rainhill 150
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 613 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 15/01/2002
Subject: APT-E in MSTS update.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 614 From: Steven Mosby Date: 15/01/2002
Subject: Re: [APT Group] APT-E in MSTS update.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 615 From: stevenmosbycouk Date: 15/01/2002
Subject: Read before the other message!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 616 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 20/01/2002
Subject: APT-E in MSTS update.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 617 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: 48101 at Preston
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 618 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: 48106 at Preston
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 619 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: 48104 at Rainhill 150
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 620 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: 48103 at Rainhill 150
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 621 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: APT-P 48102
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 622 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: 49001 at Rainhill 150
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 623 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: 49002 at Preston
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 624 From: apt_p Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: Re: 48101 at Preston (Correction)
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 625 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: Re: APT Photos
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 626 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
Subject: 48103 at Rainhill 150


Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 575 From: Andy Appleton Date: 07/12/2001
Subject: Rocket 150 Tickets
Attachments :
    Attached are two scans of tickets from the Rocket 150 anniversary, May 1980, which P-train attended.
     
    Enjoy!
    Andy
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 576 From: apt_p Date: 07/12/2001
    Subject: Re: Happy Birthday P-Train!
    Hi Kit...I wish I was there 20 years ago!!

    It's a pity the weather wasn't as good/mild as it is today!

    As Kit quite rightly said:

    >So some time today raise a glass to the P-Train and think of 'things
    that might have been'.


    Take Care,
    Andy
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 577 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 07/12/2001
    Subject: Re: Happy Birthday P-Train!
    Hi All,
    I met Bob Gibbens today, who worked as part of the field trials dept
    on E and P train. I showed him round E train and told him of the
    groups plans for the future.

    Funny, we did have a glass or two to toast what might have been.

    Bob was also on the first run of APT-P.

    Bob has some very useful contacts regarding E train, contacts that I
    must chase next year.

    Happy birthday APT-P.

    Regards

    Paul Leadley
    APT-E Conservation & Support Group

    --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "apt_p" <AndyAppleton@b...>
    wrote:
    > Hi Kit...I wish I was there 20 years ago!!
    >
    > It's a pity the weather wasn't as good/mild as it is today!
    >
    > As Kit quite rightly said:
    >
    > >So some time today raise a glass to the P-Train and think
    of 'things
    > that might have been'.
    >
    >
    > Take Care,
    > Andy
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 578 From: Kit Spackman Date: 08/12/2001
    Subject: [APT Group] Digest Number 252
    > 1) that the tilt mechanism could tilt 12 degrees, instead of the correct
    9; <

    Actually 12 degress is correct, or at least it was at one stage.

    The vehicles could tilt 9 degrees under active control and a further 3
    degress of passsive tilt to take up any inertial effects. Both E and P
    Train were alike in this respect. Whether P-Train had the passive tilt
    capability removed later I wouldn't know, but I think it would extremely
    difficult to have done so, and I have no idea why they would have want to
    have done in anyway.

    Regards
    Kit
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 579 From: Andy Appleton Date: 10/12/2001
    Subject: APT-P Postcard
    Attachments :
      Attached are two scans, front & back, of an APT-P postcard - GB 2000 Millennium Innovations, Dover postmark on large 1st machin (rarely seen used).
       
      It contains the following text on the front: "Millennium Innovations Rail Travel (1999-2000) 6th May 1999 Dover, Kent".
       
      And on the back: "British Rail Monday 7th December 1981 saw the public service inauguration of the articulated, tilting Class 370 Advanced Passenger Train, from Glasgow Central to London Euston. On the return leg the special APT formation of eight passenger cars and two power cars stands at Preston station's Platform 3 while passengers board."
       
       
      Enjoy!
      Andy
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 580 From: Kit Spackman Date: 11/12/2001
      Subject: At last it's the Discovery APT-E progamme!
      By a pure fluke I happened to tune to the Discovery Home and Leisure
      channel tonight and heard my own voice coming out of the speakers!

      The programme Alan Whickens and I did for them, planned to be shown ages
      ago, seems to have finally made it to the transmitters. It's running in
      their Pure Inventions series, and is immediately after an item about a
      non-drip teapot and lasts for about 10 mins or so.

      Even though I say it myself it's not at all bad, nothwithstanding the fact
      they spelt my name wrong and their cameraman gets mixed up between air
      springs and coil springs. Certainly they don't pull their punches when it
      comes to asking why '....the train is in this awful state' so I doubt the
      NRM will be too happy.

      Of course I didn't manage to video the programme first time around as it
      was already running when I switched over, but they have it on the adjacent
      channel an hour later, so 2nd time around I got the whole thing.

      Paul, how do I get this transferred to your archives?

      Regards
      Kit
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 581 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 11/12/2001
      Subject: Re: At last it's the Discovery APT-E progamme!
      Hi Kit,
      About time too, it was only filmed over a year ago!!!

      If you can bring it with you to the NRM bash next week Kit, I will
      get it transfered for future viewing.

      The NRM press office organised this little TV jolly so if it gives
      the NRM a rough ride, its there own fault.

      I trust you did manage to send Sarah at the Museum your food
      selections for the Christmas bash, if not, you better ring her today
      as the last day for applications was yesterday.

      Regards

      Paul

      --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., Kit Spackman
      <101453.3657@c...> wrote:
      > By a pure fluke I happened to tune to the Discovery Home and
      Leisure
      > channel tonight and heard my own voice coming out of the speakers!
      >
      > The programme Alan Whickens and I did for them, planned to be
      shown ages
      > ago, seems to have finally made it to the transmitters. It's
      running in
      > their Pure Inventions series, and is immediately after an item
      about a
      > non-drip teapot and lasts for about 10 mins or so.
      >
      > Even though I say it myself it's not at all bad, nothwithstanding
      the fact
      > they spelt my name wrong and their cameraman gets mixed up between
      air
      > springs and coil springs. Certainly they don't pull their punches
      when it
      > comes to asking why '....the train is in this awful state' so I
      doubt the
      > NRM will be too happy.
      >
      > Of course I didn't manage to video the programme first time around
      as it
      > was already running when I switched over, but they have it on the
      adjacent
      > channel an hour later, so 2nd time around I got the whole thing.
      >
      > Paul, how do I get this transferred to your archives?
      >
      > Regards
      > Kit
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 582 From: Nick Wheat Date: 12/12/2001
      Subject: Re: APT
      Hi folks..

      From uk.railway...

      groovybaby wrote:
      >
      > "303091" <horn@...> wrote in message
      > news:3C118174.A0446BA@......
      > > Here's a slightly bizarre question, but I'm sure as a 9 year old school
      > > kid, I remember seeing the APT passing my house in Gourock on the line
      > > from Glasgow to Gourock!! Did the APT ever make it as far down the Clyde
      > > Coast as Gourock? I saw on the (excellent) website that the train made
      > > it to Partick in North Glasgow - but I'd be most interested to know if
      > > it ever went to my home town of Gourock!!!
      >
      > Also does anyone know *why* the APT was running through the commuter lines
      > underneath Glasgow, which have no inter-city services?

      Any ideas?

      Regards

      Nick
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 583 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/12/2001
      Subject: P-Train in Scotland
      Nick,

      I seem to remember tales of early APT-P proving trials taking place on the
      Gourock line too, but I can't find anything 'official' to confirm it. There
      wouldn't have be an operational problem I'd have though, the line is still
      4' 8.5" gauge and 25Kv power, and P-Train wasn't all that picky from the
      structure gauge point of view, unlike E-Train, so it should have been
      possible.

      Maybe Rob's crew can throw some light on the matter.

      Regards
      Kit
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 584 From: David Babb Date: 17/12/2001
      Subject: Drawings
      Hi

      First quick introduction, for anyone who has "Microsoft Train Simulator"
      you might know me as 'buffy500' builder of reasonably good looking DMU's.

      The reason I'm here is that I am considering building a APT-P model for
      the game, and due to the shape of the APT I think decent drawings are a
      must ( Having seen the HST efforts so far, which have not managed to get
      the nose correct )

      So the question is, does anybody have any drawings for this train ? They
      don't need to be 100% the best, but everything will help, (otherwise this
      will be based on the Hornby APT).
      Of most interest would be the DTS as that would be the most complex.

      Yours hopefully....


      Dave
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 585 From: Steven Mosby Date: 17/12/2001
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] Drawings
      take a look at www.apt-p.com first, as Rob is currently creating one.

      I'd contact him for more info

      Steven
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: David Babb <babbd@...>
      To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:46 AM
      Subject: [APT Group] Drawings


      > Hi
      >
      > First quick introduction, for anyone who has "Microsoft Train Simulator"
      > you might know me as 'buffy500' builder of reasonably good looking DMU's.
      >
      > The reason I'm here is that I am considering building a APT-P model for
      > the game, and due to the shape of the APT I think decent drawings are a
      > must ( Having seen the HST efforts so far, which have not managed to get
      > the nose correct )
      >
      > So the question is, does anybody have any drawings for this train ? They
      > don't need to be 100% the best, but everything will help, (otherwise this
      > will be based on the Hornby APT).
      > Of most interest would be the DTS as that would be the most complex.
      >
      > Yours hopefully....
      >
      >
      > Dave
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      >
      >
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 586 From: aptp370 Date: 17/12/2001
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] Drawings
      Hi All,
      my atempts at train sim APT have never got beyond a repainted
      Acela and three Cab Views, with limited animation on them. See -
      www.apt-p.com/MSTS.htm - The Cab views are all hires images - but
      when doing the animation I can't find a way of doing hi res overlays -
      only 640x480 ones that look too blocky.

      I have Hi Res pictures of the controls in every position waiting to
      be cut up if someone can solve this for me !

      Also not having 3DSM or any experience with 3D CAD work doesn't help,
      as I currently lack the time to learn 3DCanvasPro, (the only other
      alternative??).

      However drawings of P Train are not a problem or photos of any part
      of the train can be produced on demand !

      Best Wishes

      Rob
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 587 From: David Babb Date: 18/12/2001
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] Drawings
      Thanks for the replies, Thanks to Rob I have the documents I need and am
      currently working on it.
      I will supply some screen shots when I get to a stage that I think
      justifies it.


      "APT-P Back on the main line", well ,you never know do you ?
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 588 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/12/2001
      Subject: APT-P in MSTS
      APT-P in Microsoft Train Simulator:
       
       
      Enjoy!
      Andy
       
      P.S. Merry Christmas!!!!
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 590 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 26/12/2001
      Subject: Screen shots from Trainz!
      Hi All,
      Ive got a full version of Trainz fresh from Aussy land.

      Its based on model trains, but I have to say, it "IS" very very good.

      Ive done some screen shots for anyone who hasnt seen it in action.

      See this link : HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/trainz

      Happy Christmas to all.

      Paul
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 591 From: Steven Mosby Date: 26/12/2001
      Subject: Once again.. someone's made a mistake about the APT...
      I was looking through the european rail server for a image, when the subdirectory called 'APT-E' came into sight. Upon loading the http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/pix/gb/diesel/APT-E/pix.html page, the text made me sigh once more, because, and I quote "Actually only three out of the four car diesel unit are stored here, as one car has been taken indoors into the museum magazine."
       
      We need a sign or something "Not a diesel train!"
       
      Who runs the european rail server and how do we contact them?
       
      Regards,
       
      Steven Mosby
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 592 From: dave_babb Date: 27/12/2001
      Subject: Re: APT-P in MSTS
      --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Andy Appleton"
      <AndyAppleton@b...> wrote:
      > APT-P in Microsoft Train Simulator:
      >
      > http://www.apt-p.com/MSTS.htm
      >
      > Enjoy!
      > Andy
      >
      > P.S. Merry Christmas!!!!

      Also, more screen shots from
      http://www.atomic-systems.com/~crewevlw/index.html

      Its progressing well, certainly muh quicker than trying to rebuild
      the real one, much less time waiting for the real "paint to dry".
      Its much improved now, and really only needs full wheels and bogies,
      and electrical gear.

      So overall about 75% complete, but I bet the last 25% takes at least
      as long at the last 75%

      Cheers Dave B
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 594 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/12/2001
      Subject: E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
      Hi All,
      I was so impressed with Davids P train that I just had to get E
      train back on the tracks too, so see link

      HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain

      Sorry for the naff picture quality, but you should get the idea.

      I will get some test textures on as soon as I can and then post more.

      Any comments please?

      Hope everyone has had a good Christmas, and a happy new year.

      Regards

      Paul
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 595 From: Steven Mosby Date: 30/12/2001
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
      Looks really good paul - what program are you using for it?

      steve
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@...>
      To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM
      Subject: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!


      > Hi All,
      > I was so impressed with Davids P train that I just had to get E
      > train back on the tracks too, so see link
      >
      > HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain
      >
      > Sorry for the naff picture quality, but you should get the idea.
      >
      > I will get some test textures on as soon as I can and then post more.
      >
      > Any comments please?
      >
      > Hope everyone has had a good Christmas, and a happy new year.
      >
      > Regards
      >
      > Paul
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      >
      >
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 596 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/12/2001
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
      Hi Steve,
      Im using the same program that David is using for P train, Abacus
      TrainSim Modeller. In the real 3D world, the model looks even
      better, smooth. Im pleased with it as Ive managed to model the
      ridges on the front nose up to the window, you cannot see it easily
      on the piccys, but its there, should look good when textures are
      applied.

      I will post more pictures when the beta is running.

      Regards

      Paul

      --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Steven Mosby"
      <steven.mosby@n...> wrote:
      > Looks really good paul - what program are you using for it?
      >
      > steve
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@y...>
      > To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@y...>
      > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM
      > Subject: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well
      nearly!
      >
      >
      > > Hi All,
      > > I was so impressed with Davids P train that I just had to get E
      > > train back on the tracks too, so see link
      > >
      > > HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain
      > >
      > > Sorry for the naff picture quality, but you should get the idea.
      > >
      > > I will get some test textures on as soon as I can and then post
      more.
      > >
      > > Any comments please?
      > >
      > > Hope everyone has had a good Christmas, and a happy new year.
      > >
      > > Regards
      > >
      > > Paul
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
      http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      > >
      > >
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 597 From: Steven Mosby Date: 30/12/2001
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
      Hi Paul

      Cool, sounds good. Where can you get it from/cost?
      you can use the Print Screen button in the program and paste into a paint
      file to make it clearer if it supports it. then again, obviously ure running
      xp (same here) and if i press more than letters on the keyboard it
      crashes...

      "Microsoft is sorry that XXX program crashed"
      Sure that sounds sarcastic.. :)

      Thanks,
      Steve
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@...>
      To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:01 PM
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!


      > Hi Steve,
      > Im using the same program that David is using for P train, Abacus
      > TrainSim Modeller. In the real 3D world, the model looks even
      > better, smooth. Im pleased with it as Ive managed to model the
      > ridges on the front nose up to the window, you cannot see it easily
      > on the piccys, but its there, should look good when textures are
      > applied.
      >
      > I will post more pictures when the beta is running.
      >
      > Regards
      >
      > Paul
      >
      > --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Steven Mosby"
      > <steven.mosby@n...> wrote:
      > > Looks really good paul - what program are you using for it?
      > >
      > > steve
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@y...>
      > > To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@y...>
      > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM
      > > Subject: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well
      > nearly!
      > >
      > >
      > > > Hi All,
      > > > I was so impressed with Davids P train that I just had to get E
      > > > train back on the tracks too, so see link
      > > >
      > > > HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain
      > > >
      > > > Sorry for the naff picture quality, but you should get the idea.
      > > >
      > > > I will get some test textures on as soon as I can and then post
      > more.
      > > >
      > > > Any comments please?
      > > >
      > > > Hope everyone has had a good Christmas, and a happy new year.
      > > >
      > > > Regards
      > > >
      > > > Paul
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
      > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      > > >
      > > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      >
      >
      >
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 598 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 30/12/2001
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well nearly!
      Hi Steve,
      If you go to Abacus.com you can find it there, you can pay and
      download online only at the present time.

      I will try and get some screen dumps done that show E train MSTS
      better for you.

      Regards

      Paul

      --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Steven Mosby"
      <steven.mosby@n...> wrote:
      > Hi Paul
      >
      > Cool, sounds good. Where can you get it from/cost?
      > you can use the Print Screen button in the program and paste into
      a paint
      > file to make it clearer if it supports it. then again, obviously
      ure running
      > xp (same here) and if i press more than letters on the keyboard it
      > crashes...
      >
      > "Microsoft is sorry that XXX program crashed"
      > Sure that sounds sarcastic.. :)
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Steve
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@y...>
      > To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@y...>
      > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:01 PM
      > Subject: Re: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well
      nearly!
      >
      >
      > > Hi Steve,
      > > Im using the same program that David is using for P train, Abacus
      > > TrainSim Modeller. In the real 3D world, the model looks even
      > > better, smooth. Im pleased with it as Ive managed to model the
      > > ridges on the front nose up to the window, you cannot see it
      easily
      > > on the piccys, but its there, should look good when textures are
      > > applied.
      > >
      > > I will post more pictures when the beta is running.
      > >
      > > Regards
      > >
      > > Paul
      > >
      > > --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Steven Mosby"
      > > <steven.mosby@n...> wrote:
      > > > Looks really good paul - what program are you using for it?
      > > >
      > > > steve
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@y...>
      > > > To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@y...>
      > > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 10:59 AM
      > > > Subject: [APT Group] E train back on the rails in MSTS, well
      > > nearly!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Hi All,
      > > > > I was so impressed with Davids P train that I just had to
      get E
      > > > > train back on the tracks too, so see link
      > > > >
      > > > > HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain
      > > > >
      > > > > Sorry for the naff picture quality, but you should get the
      idea.
      > > > >
      > > > > I will get some test textures on as soon as I can and then
      post
      > > more.
      > > > >
      > > > > Any comments please?
      > > > >
      > > > > Hope everyone has had a good Christmas, and a happy new year.
      > > > >
      > > > > Regards
      > > > >
      > > > > Paul
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
      > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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      > >
      > >
      > >
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 599 From: Ian Ellis Date: 31/12/2001
      Subject: APT/Tilting Train Links
      Hello Group,

      After a brief search of the net, I have come across the following
      APT/Tilting train related links:

      http://www.springhill.f9.co.uk/apt.htm

      http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.walker6/trains/apt.htm

      http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/Tilting/

      http://www.arthurseat.freeserve.co.uk/photos/apt.html

      http://www.nottm-melton-railway.co.uk/news.htm

      Regards,
      Ian

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      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 600 From: Ian Ellis Date: 31/12/2001
      Subject: 'Down To Earth' - Modern Railways, April 1976
      The following was taken from:
      http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/irs/irshome/archive/004-030901.htm

      -----------------------------------------------------------------------

      'Down to earth'
      Modern Railways, April 1976

      As originally conceived, the Advanced Passenger Train was a highly
      attractive proposition. Owing little or nothing to conventional railway
      technology, ran the prospectus, APT would bring a new dimension to
      high-speed rail travel - but within the existing railway system. Investment
      in its advanced technology would save millions in the track realignment and
      resignalling costs otherwise required for significantly higher speeds. The
      102mph average between London and Leicester achieved by APT-E last October
      was a complete vindication of the concept of the self-powered tilting train.
      It demonstrated that timings now only enjoyed by travellers on the East and
      West Coast main lines, could be brought to areas of the Inter-City network
      which modernisation has yet to reach.

      Unfortunately, however, the burghers of Leicester and other hitherto
      neglected towns, who would appreciate a 100mph service to London, would be
      ill-advised to start cheering too soon. For despite the demonstration, the
      only way they will get the APT is as a by-product of more main-line
      electrification, which is considerably further away in their case than the
      first production APT. in other words, after nearly ten years endeavour the
      APT is exposed as something akin to a confidence trick or, at best, a piece
      of technological delusion.

      Harsh words - but justified. No matter how sophisticated the approach,
      high-speed transport is only achieved through the application of large
      amounts of power. The 14-coach passenger prototype electric APTs, for
      example, will require 8000hp to bring London and Glasgow within four hours.
      When the original design team turned down the offer of a 1500hp Rolls-Royce
      �Dart' in favour of multiple Leyland 290hp turbines for their new train any
      hope of providing the necessary power for a commercial APT virtually
      vanished. And in the interval since then, no other country has produced a
      true high-horsepower gas turbine for traction use, let alone a successful
      one. The practical self-propelled APT has been dead for some time.

      So, faut de mieux, the electric APT is now with us, but in the process it
      has lost its independence of the old-fashioned railway around it. It has
      become just another high-speed train, limited by catenary design and the
      electricity-supply system to 125mph running, as was outlined recently in the
      Chairman's address to the Railway Division of the Institution of Mechanical
      Engineers. Even tied down with copper wire the APT can still reduced the
      London Glasgow timing by one hour, but with what disruption to traffic
      patterns is still to be revealed. Impressive though the proposed four-hour
      schedule may be, its commercial value is questionable. Competing with a
      British Airways Shuttle which can get the traveller from London to the
      middle of Glasgow before 10am, when an APT passenger will be hard pushed to
      make it 1� hours later, is not a sensible application of railway marketing
      skills, especially when one is asking the businessman to spend eight hours
      of his working day simply travelling. Faster timings with APT are also being
      obtained at the expense of reduced quality of travel and we remain
      unconvinced that the balance is in the faster train's favour. Our
      over-riding impression of the APT interior, based on travel in the prototype
      and various mock-ups, is of a cramped narrow tube, rating somewhat lower on
      the claustrophobia scale than a �Trident' or a BAC 1-11. An extra 15 minutes
      door-to-door on shorter transits would be a small price to pay for the
      comfort of standard Mk III stock.

      The electric APT is a less-useful tool than the original article but still a
      costly one. The three passenger prototypes plus support facilities are
      costing over �30 million at 1975 prices and at �2-3 million per production
      set it remains doubtful whether BR will be able to acquire APTs in
      sufficient numbers to make commercial and operating sense - even with the
      intensive operation which will be required to recoup the investment. A large
      number will be required to provide a full service while the support costs
      and disruption to existing running can only be justified by a completely
      transformed service pattern as with the original electrification of the West
      Coast main line. And as we have previously remarked, while tilting coaches
      are already in service overseas, production APTs are still a long way away.
      When APT lagged the traditional railway produced the HST as a stop-gap; now
      that APT is only for the rich lines, if at all, could the old guard produce
      a tilting HST for the 1980s?


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      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 601 From: Kit Spackman Date: 01/01/2002
      Subject: 'Down to Earth' or down in the dirt?
      >'Down to earth'
      >Modern Railways, April 1976

      >As originally conceived, the Advanced Passenger Train was a highly
      attractive proposition. Owing little or >nothing to conventional railway
      technology, ran the prospectus, APT would bring a new dimension to
      >high-speed rail travel - but within the existing railway system.
      Investment in its advanced ............. etc etc.

      Yeah right.

      And how many of these journos have actually ever built ANYthing, let alone
      a train?

      It's all very easy being wise after the event, and looking in from the
      outside. When you are dealing with the nitty gritty of developing
      something that has never been done before and trying to persuade
      politicians, who are equally as igorant as the journos, to fund the
      programme as well, having people talk about 'confidence trick' is a little
      dispiriting. Not to mention anger making, as you can tell. And just what do
      they get out of it? An ego trip or what?

      I'd just love to have one of the journos do the pressure test on the TC1
      tilt system pipework when we get it working again. THEN they'd know what
      it's about.........

      Grrrrrrr...........

      Regards and a Happy New Tilting Year.

      Kit
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 602 From: cr3000@excite.com Date: 01/01/2002
      Subject: new webpage
      The following URL is part of a collection of web pages I created that I have recently made for my website; I included a hyperlink for the APT-P website.
      http://www.geocities.com/cr3ky/tilttrains.html

      From Calum
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 603 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 02/01/2002
      Subject: Update on APT-E MSTS Model
      Hi All,
      Here are some shots of an APT-E Powercar running in MSTS.

      Enjoy.......

      HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain

      I will post more when I get some textures done!

      Regards

      Paul
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 604 From: Gerry Bates Date: 03/01/2002
      Subject: West Coast Tilt
      Alan Williams, Modern Railways, January 2002:
       
      "Despite the large amount of technical progress in the intervening years, Pendolinos will do no more in 2003 and beyond than the prototype Advanced Passenger Train achieved in 1983. If back then the APT prototypes had had a fraction of the funding or commitment now being lavished on the West Coast Main Line, it would have been in reliable squadron service years ago, a world beater rather than a beaten, corroding museum relic at Crewe"
       
      New Year's greetings to all!
       
      Gerry Bates
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 605 From: Gerry Bates Date: 03/01/2002
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] new webpage
      Calum
       
      If you are responsible for:
       
      "This train was a failure because its tilt system was controlled by a computer system which was not at this time, 1980s capable of balancing out the train correctly during its tilt. The tilt system meant that people complained of sickness and in some cases drinks being spilt on the table. "
       
      on the web page you mention then be prepared for the wrath of many APT supporters descending on you!
       
      The APT was not a technical failure, despite what the press have always said and the government of the time would have had you believe! See my comments at:
       
       
      particularly the text of my letter published in The Guardian.
       
      Gerry Bates
       
      *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

      On 01/01/02 at 10:54 cr3000@... wrote:
      The following URL is part of a collection of web pages I created that I have recently made for my website; I included a hyperlink for the APT-P website.
       
       
      From Calum
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 606 From: Andy Appleton Date: 05/01/2002
      Subject: Hornby APT For Sale
      Their is a first issue Hornby APT (R543) for sale at ebay:
       
       
      Auction Ends: 14-Jan-02  14:27  GMT
       
      Take Care,
      Andy
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 607 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 06/01/2002
      Subject: APT-E News Update
      Hi All,
      Ive just posted some new APT-E pictures.

      Ive just been working on some textures, although I havent had time
      to get very far, anyway see what you think, is she still looking
      good, any comments welcome.

      Silver isnt the best of colours to get in TrainSim!!

      Please bare in mind that these are just placing textures and the
      bodywork has no detail added to it yet.

      See link :

      HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain/etrain.htm

      Regards

      Paul

      Ive had to spent sometime today correcting a fault in the nose, it
      took some sorting.
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 608 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 09/01/2002
      Subject: APT-E News update for MSTS
      Hi All,
      Work continues on the powercar textures, its about 85% done now.

      Ive just posted some more pictures.

      HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain/etrain.htm

      Tyne Tees television are coming to make a programme about the story
      of the APT with week, I will try and let you all know when its gonna
      be bradcast.

      Regards

      Paul
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 609 From: eth1607688@aol.com Date: 11/01/2002
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] APT-E News update for MSTS
      Tell them about that famous geordie who used to ride in the cab paul.

      bp
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 610 From: Kit Spackman Date: 12/01/2002
      Subject: [APT Group] Digest Number 268
      Brian,

      >Tell them about that famous geordie who used to ride in the cab paul.<

      You mean the one who wouldn't believe braking distances calculated by a
      tilt engineer? <BG>

      Regards
      Kit
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 611 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 12/01/2002
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] Digest Number 268
      Yes, Brian,
      Im making a section about your good self that will contain the stuff
      your sorting out for me, even the film clips if poss.

      Love the tape you sent, I listen to it while Im working on my E
      Train model, it gives inspiration.

      Regards

      Paul


      --- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., Kit Spackman
      <101453.3657@c...> wrote:
      > Brian,
      >
      > >Tell them about that famous geordie who used to ride in the cab
      paul.<
      >
      > You mean the one who wouldn't believe braking distances calculated
      by a
      > tilt engineer? <BG>
      >
      > Regards
      > Kit
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 612 From: andrew_walker6 Date: 14/01/2002
      Subject: Re-running of Rainhill 150
      I was running my 00 Guage Train Set last night with my two most
      recent additions.

      A Hornby APT-P and a Triang Rocket.

      The APT-P was bought late last year and the Rocket I bought last
      week, altough I have always wanted these locomotives it only stuck me
      last light how this linked up with Rainhill 150.

      Both these I managed to pick up for £30.00 each. The Rocket needed
      stripping down and cleaning before it ran beautifully.

      The APT-P was in a damaged state, worst was the power car where the
      motor unit, drive and bogie were missing completely.

      A motor replacement was found at £20.00 but I had to hand make a APT
      Tilt pivot to enable the Tilt to work properly.

      The famous pantograph was also gone and I decided to use a dummy
      pantograph from a class 91, As I don't have and don't intend to have
      catenary.

      There was also a missing half bogie on one of the trailers,
      fortuantely my £30.00 bargain came with another broken trailer which
      had a half bogie!

      Anyway, I trulyed enjoy watching these two locomotives with
      technology 150 years apart, running around my track and I was
      reminded of the Rainhill 150 event were both the Rocket (replica)
      and the APT (pushed by a diesel) ran on the track.

      Regards

      Andrew
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 613 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 15/01/2002
      Subject: APT-E in MSTS update.
      Hi all,
      Here are some new pictures of how E train is looking in MSTS.

      Steve Mosby is in the driving seat.

      Steve for people who dont know him, helps with the APT-E Support.

      http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain/etrain.htm

      Regards

      Paul
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 614 From: Steven Mosby Date: 15/01/2002
      Subject: Re: [APT Group] APT-E in MSTS update.
      Attachments :
        Hiya

        The train looks good. not me though...!!!

        I look so depressed in the pictures.. you can even see the water from where
        we were cleaning it.. lol :)

        Steve
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@...>
        To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:49 PM
        Subject: [APT Group] APT-E in MSTS update.


        > Hi all,
        > Here are some new pictures of how E train is looking in MSTS.
        >
        > Steve Mosby is in the driving seat.
        >
        > Steve for people who dont know him, helps with the APT-E Support.
        >
        > http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain/etrain.htm
        >
        > Regards
        >
        > Paul
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
        >
        >
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 615 From: stevenmosbycouk Date: 15/01/2002
        Subject: Read before the other message!
        Hi all

        If anyone uses outlook, you'll have got a security warning when you
        opened my reply to the previous message from Paul.

        This is because Yahoo! edits messages sent from users to groups.

        Because of this, you got a warning as the email was Encrypted in
        outlook express (by Verisign) and Yahoo edited it.

        And they only edit it to stick an advert into the message....

        The message is below as i replied. This has been sent through Yahoo!
        Groups email thingy.

        The attachment to the previous email was the digital signature. It
        has no risks involved, but just delete it to make sure.

        Regards

        Steve Mosby :)


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Steven Mosby" <steven.mosby@...>
        To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:43 PM
        Subject: Re: [APT Group] APT-E in MSTS update.


        > Hiya
        >
        > The train looks good. not me though...!!!
        >
        > I look so depressed in the pictures.. you can even see the water
        from where
        > we were cleaning it.. lol :)
        >
        > Steve
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Silver_Dream_Racer" <Pal@...>
        > To: <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:49 PM
        > Subject: [APT Group] APT-E in MSTS update.
        >
        >
        > > Hi all,
        > > Here are some new pictures of how E train is looking in MSTS.
        > >
        > > Steve Mosby is in the driving seat.
        > >
        > > Steve for people who dont know him, helps with the APT-E Support.
        > >
        > > http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain/etrain.htm
        > >
        > > Regards
        > >
        > > Paul
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
        http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
        > >
        > >
        >
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 616 From: Silver_Dream_Racer Date: 20/01/2002
        Subject: APT-E in MSTS update.
        New update of pictures, she is now 4 cars long, with module doors.
        Just started work on the textures.

        http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/etrain/etrain.htm

        What this space.

        Regards

        Paul
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 617 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
        Subject: 48101 at Preston
        Attachments :
          48101 at Preston Oct 84.

          Copyright © Keith Till
          Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 618 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
          Subject: 48106 at Preston
          Attachments :
            48106 at Preston October 84.

            Copyright © Keith Till
            Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 619 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
            Subject: 48104 at Rainhill 150
            Attachments :
              48104 at Rainhill 150.

              Copyright © Keith Till
              Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 620 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
              Subject: 48103 at Rainhill 150
              Attachments :
                48103 at Rainhill 150.

                Copyright © Keith Till
                Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 621 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
                Subject: APT-P 48102
                Attachments :
                  APT DV 48102 showing lifting front arrangement.

                  Copyright © Keith Till
                  Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 622 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
                  Subject: 49001 at Rainhill 150
                  Attachments :
                    Power Car 49001 at Rainhill 150
                     
                    Copyright © Keith Till
                    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 623 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
                    Subject: 49002 at Preston
                    Attachments :
                      Power Car 49002 at Preston Oct 84
                       
                      Copyright © Keith Till
                      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 624 From: apt_p Date: 24/01/2002
                      Subject: Re: 48101 at Preston (Correction)
                      Sorry, It's actually 48107

                      > 48101 at Preston Oct 84.
                      >
                      > Copyright © Keith Till
                      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 625 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
                      Subject: Re: APT Photos
                      Apologies for the poor quality. My friend has only just received his slide scanner back from repair. I will repost the two worse ones. i.e. 48103 & 48107.
                       
                      Take Care,
                      Andy
                      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 626 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/01/2002
                      Subject: 48103 at Rainhill 150
                      Attachments :
                        48103 at Rainhill 150
                        Copyright © Keith Till