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o At Home With The Braithwaites
o A Touch Of Frost
o Blue Peter
o ITN News
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Thanks!

Sorry to have to send this to the newgroup, but I can't figure out
how to email Stuart directly :-)

Stuart,

You replied to my request for info on the Horby APT, but when I look
at your email address, part of it is missing. Could you email me
directly at Modelefx@... I'm very interested in a hornby set
even if it isn't in A1 shape.

Thanks

Lee

The answer to the question:
On what TV programme did APT-E make a short guest showing was
"A TOUCH OF FROST"

At the beginning of the programme Frost and his detective side kick
nearly get run over by an old DMU in the wagon works, as they lay at
the side of the train, they are infront of E Train, look in the
background. Most of the railway scenes were filmed around the
latter part of last year in the carrage and wagon works in York.

Paul

The answer to the question:
On what TV programme did APT-E make a short guest showing was 
"A TOUCH OF FROST"

At the beginning of the programme Frost and his detective side kick
nearly get run over by an old DMU in the wagon works,  as they lay at
the side of the train, they are infront of E Train, look in the
background.   Most of the railway scenes were filmed around the
latter part of last year in the carrage and wagon works in York.

Paul

Hi Paul,

> Most of the railway scenes were filmed around the latter part of last

year in the carrage and >wagon works in York.<

Which begs the question, what was E-Train doing in the C&W works anyway?

And to save an email, shall I bring the 'Kit Slide Collection' for the
Working Day next weekend but one? <g>

Or is that a silly question....?

Kit

Andy,

>Has anyone ever seen this video footage?<

I haven't seen all of it, but we used some of the footage to check on speed
limit board positioning and predicted tilt system responses for the E-Train
Midland Main Line high speed runs for E-Train. That was the 1 hour
London-Leicester run attempts.

Of course in those days it wasn't a 'Heritage DUMU', it was a normal
service vehicle <g>

Kit

Hi Tony,
It was at the beginning of Part 1, "A Touch of Frost"

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Tony Chung" <antony@t...>
wrote:

> Was this the showing last week(ish)? Or was it in part 1?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Leadley <Pal@y...>
> To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com <Advanced-Passenger-

Train@egroups.com>

> Date: 25 January 2001 11:17
> Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] Question about APT-E on the TV.
>
>
> The answer to the question:
> On what TV programme did APT-E make a short guest showing was
> "A TOUCH OF FROST"
>
> At the beginning of the programme Frost and his detective side kick
> nearly get run over by an old DMU in the wagon works, as they lay

at

> the side of the train, they are infront of E Train, look in the
> background. Most of the railway scenes were filmed around the
> latter part of last year in the carrage and wagon works in York.
>
> Paul

Hi Kit,
YES please about your slides, so I will see you next weekend, 3rd
Feb. Do you need a place to kip for the night, maybe a good idea if
Im gonna scan your slides.

Give me a bell.

Paul

Hi all,

I can't see messages #'s: 171, 172 or 173, Have they been deleted?

Steven Mosby
Webmaster: www.r3donline.co.uk

hi Steve,
Yes they have been deleted, I posted them by mistake so dont worry
about them.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., pmht_steven@m... wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I can't see messages #'s: 171, 172 or 173, Have they been deleted?
>
> Steven Mosby
> Webmaster: www.r3donline.co.uk

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul

Sent: 29 January 2001 14:02

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [APT Group] Re: Messages?

hi Steve,
Yes they have been deleted, I posted them by mistake so dont worry
about them.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., pmht_steven@m... wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I can't see messages #'s: 171, 172 or 173, Have they been deleted?
>
> Steven Mosby
> Webmaster: www.r3donline.co.uk

Hi Kit,
Ive sent you an email but just in case you havent seen it:

Please could you bring your APT-P First run cert and any other piccys
you may have so I can scan them.

Look forward to seeing you at the weekend.

Regards

Paul

Hi Andy,
how much are the books going for, as I'm sure that visitors to The Railway Age might be interested if we had a few in stock
? - I'd certainly put an advert up for this guy's shop if we didn't take stock ourselves.

(BTW the cover price was only £1.95 originally)


Rob

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

APT-E Working day Number 7.

Date: Saturday, February 3, 2001
Time: 10:00AM - 4:00PM UTC (GMT+00:00)

APT-E workday at the NRM, the first of 2001 (Workday 7).

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Hi Andy,
Im sure a few copies wouldnt go a miss around the E train Group also,
could you let me know the cost of say, 5 copies, if the price is
right we will have them.

Regards

Paul

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@y..., "Andy Appleton"
<AndyAppleton@b...> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have found a book shop who has stock of the following book:
>
> Advanced Passenger Train - The official illustrated account of

British Rail's revolutionary new 155mph train. (Avon-Anglia
Publications)

>
> http://www.therailwayage.co.uk/apt/APTBooks.htm
>
> I personally thought this book was out of stock, But the guy who

owns the book shop says otherwise ! He said that if I buy 10 copies
he will send them post free to me. I would like two, Anyone else
interested in a copy ? If so email me, off group.

>
> Take Care,
> Andy
>
>
> APT-P@b...

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Advanced-Passenger-Train group:

Which train should have it's photo on
the home page?

(The actual photo to be used will be
selected at a later date)

o APT-E
o APT-P
o Alternate the photo each month


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can you have more than one picture? If not, why not put a picture of
the APT-P and the APT-E together into one file? [cut and paste]

Or, the Picture of the APT-E Passing the APT-P?

>Steven Mosby

I'm afraid you can only have one picture. You must supply a URL for
the picture so it has to be on someone's website.....Anyone got a
picture with both E & P trains together ?!

Take Care,
Andy

> can you have more than one picture? If not, why not put a picture

of

> the APT-P and the APT-E together into one file? [cut and paste]
>
> Or, the Picture of the APT-E Passing the APT-P?
>
> >Steven Mosby

E & P together - I've never seen such a picture, and I doubt that one exists given that E Train went into the NRM in 1976 before any
P Trains were completed.

- looks like a job for 'PhotoShop' then.

unless you know different !


Rob

P.S.

Is an animated .GIF file allowed as the 'picture' ? if so why not create an animated logo with both trains passing. Similar to the
ones I had on my site before Yahoo! took over see -

www.therailwayage.co.uk/apt/eGROUPSLogoE.gif

and

www.therailwayage.co.uk/apt/eGROUPSLogoP.gif

I guess if you use Paint Shop Pro Animator to create a small animated gif of
P train and then 'fades out' into E train and back again? Simular to the
type of pictures on Paul's Site, but not in Java form.

I'll have a go seeing how it would turn out...

>Steven

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Hello All,
There may just be a very very small chance that the E & P trains did
meet because in the very early 1980's, I think it was 80/81/82 a
complete P train was displayed at the then York Brel works for an
open day. I remember it because it was the first time I had seen a P
train in the real.

Im not 100% sure but I think E train was still in the NRM car park at
that time and P train was brought up from Crewe, so it would have had
to go past E train. Ive never seen a photo so this is conjecture but
P train did come to York so you never know!

The talk about this subject made me remember that P train
did come to York.

If there is a photograph of the two, thats were it would have talken
place.

Long live the APT

Regards

Paul
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

It's surely not beyond the bounds of technology to build a pic of both
trains. Just two views alongside eash other in one JPG. Just post it
somewhere inscrutable on either site and Bob's your Uncle....

Kit

Hi!

Does anyone know if you can still ride on a train like
APT today.

Graham

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Hi Graham,

>Does anyone know if you can still ride on a train like APT today.<

Probably the nearest thing to APT-P technically is the Swedish X2000 train.
Quite a number of routes in Sweden have X2000s running on them, the longest
AFAIK is Stockholm-Malmo via Linkoping.

X2000s aren't as fast as APT-P was, but it has similar aerodynamics,
suspension and tilt system (WHAT a surprise...<g>)

In the near future the Virgin Cross-Country trains will bring almost APT-P
technology back to the UK though, so hang in there...

Regards
Kit

Thanks Kit!

Best wishes,


Graham
--- Kit Spackman <101453.3657@...> wrote:

> Hi Graham,
>
> >Does anyone know if you can still ride on a train
> like APT today.<
>
> Probably the nearest thing to APT-P technically is
> the Swedish X2000 train.
> Quite a number of routes in Sweden have X2000s
> running on them, the longest
> AFAIK is Stockholm-Malmo via Linkoping.
>
> X2000s aren't as fast as APT-P was, but it has
> similar aerodynamics,
> suspension and tilt system (WHAT a surprise...<g>)
>
> In the near future the Virgin Cross-Country trains
> will bring almost APT-P
> technology back to the UK though, so hang in
> there...
>
> Regards
> Kit
>
>

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Attachments :

Here are some of my pictures of the APT. My papa is driving in them all
and he is sitting on the right in the cab shot.

Carole

Hi all!

Does anybody know "When is the next Crewe Works Open
Day?"

Take Care,


Graham


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Current price £311 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Their is an 'Early' Hornby APT set for sale @ ebay:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=556881698
>
> The high bid is currently £156 ! However this set is "Unused & in

mint

> condition."
>
> This auction ends Feb-14-01 19:29:32
>
> Bid On!
> Andy

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Appleton

Sent: 13 February 2001 16:31

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [APT Group] Re: 'Early' Hornby APT For Sale

Current price £311 !!!!!!!!!!!!!


> Their is an 'Early' Hornby APT set for sale @ ebay:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=556881698
>
> The high bid is currently £156 ! However this set is "Unused & in
mint
> condition."
>
> This auction ends Feb-14-01 19:29:32
>
> Bid On!
> Andy



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HELP WANTED - Can anyone help answer these questions that have been sent to me ! ---

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Rodrigues" <#########>
To: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
Sent: 13 February 2001 23:59
Subject: About tilt trains


> I think the best tilt train is the Pendolino (ETR 460/480). Another excelent
> tilt train is the X 2000. These trains can travel at 220 Km/h with one
> average speed at 160 Km/h in one upgraded line
>
> Do you have one idea about the costs of the lines for tilt trains (by Km)?
>
> I make this question to compare with the costs of the TGV line. The
> construction of one TGV line costs about 12 milions of dollars per Km
> (average costs) I guess
>
> I think the tilt train is more indicated for countries with more montains
> etc. In France they have more conditions to built more high speed lines.
> Tilt trains is also a good choice for distance < than 400 Km.
>
> 0 < tilt train < 400 km < TGV train < 900 Km < plane
>
> Can you give me more information about when the tilt train is a good choice
> if we compare with TGV train?
>
> The tickets in the tilt trains are more cheaper if we compare with TGV ?
>
> And about the maintenance costs of the two trains? The TGV maintenance costs
> is more expensive? there is a great diference?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rui Rodrigues
>

Hi all!

Does anybody know "When is the next Crewe Works Open
Day?"

Take Care,


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----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Latham

Sent: 14 February 2001 14:25

To: APT eGroup

Subject: [APT Group] A Few Questions !

HELP WANTED - Can anyone help answer these questions that have been sent to me ! ---


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Rodrigues" <#########>
To: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
Sent: 13 February 2001 23:59
Subject: About tilt trains


> I think the best tilt train is the Pendolino (ETR 460/480). Another excelent
> tilt train is the X 2000. These trains can travel at 220 Km/h with one
> average speed at 160 Km/h in one upgraded line
>
> Do you have one idea about the costs of the lines for tilt trains (by Km)?
>
> I make this question to compare with the costs of the TGV line. The
> construction of one TGV line costs about 12 milions of dollars per Km
> (average costs) I guess
>
> I think the tilt train is more indicated for countries with more montains
> etc. In France they have more conditions to built more high speed lines.
> Tilt trains is also a good choice for distance < than 400 Km.
>
> 0 < tilt train  < 400 km < TGV train < 900 Km < plane
>
> Can you give me more information about when the tilt train is a good choice
> if we compare with TGV train?
>
> The tickets in the tilt trains are more cheaper if we compare with TGV ?
>
> And about the maintenance costs of the two trains? The TGV maintenance costs
> is more expensive? there is a great diference?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rui Rodrigues
>

>From: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
>Reply-To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com
>To: "APT eGroup" <Advanced-Passenger-Train@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [APT Group] A Few Questions !
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:44:40 -0000
>
>HELP WANTED - Can anyone help answer these questions that have been sent to
>me ! ---

I'll do my best! See below:

>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rui Rodrigues" <#########>
>To: "Rob Latham" <rob@...>
>Sent: 13 February 2001 23:59
>Subject: About tilt trains
>
>
> > I think the best tilt train is the Pendolino (ETR 460/480). Another
>excelent
> > tilt train is the X 2000. These trains can travel at 220 Km/h with one
> > average speed at 160 Km/h in one upgraded line
> >
> > Do you have one idea about the costs of the lines for tilt trains (by
>Km)?

I think that in general tilt trains don't use purpose built lines - for
example the APT idea was so it could use the conventional WCML but operate
at high speed because it can tilt going round the tight bends. This is also
the practise being used on Virgin's new trains. HOWEVER - in a bid for the
ECML high speed franchise Virgin proposed building a new TGV line with
205mph (non-tilt) trains, but this has been rejected. The ECML is expected
to stay with GNER who want tilt trains on existing lines.

> >
> > I make this question to compare with the costs of the TGV line. The
> > construction of one TGV line costs about 12 milions of dollars per Km
> > (average costs) I guess
> >
> > I think the tilt train is more indicated for countries with more
>montains
> > etc. In France they have more conditions to built more high speed lines.
> > Tilt trains is also a good choice for distance < than 400 Km.
> >
> > 0 < tilt train < 400 km < TGV train < 900 Km < plane
> >
> > Can you give me more information about when the tilt train is a good
>choice
> > if we compare with TGV train?

If a new high speed line is being built TGV is the best choice - if an old
line or a new high speed but curved line tilt trains are the best.

> >
> > The tickets in the tilt trains are more cheaper if we compare with TGV ?

The French TGV tickets are very resonably priced - less than a slower
journey of the same distance in the UK. When Virgin get their new tilting
trains which are in fact 225km/h Pendolinos, tickets will be the same price
as conventional trains.

> >
> > And about the maintenance costs of the two trains? The TGV maintenance
>costs
> > is more expensive? there is a great diference?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Rui Rodrigues
> >
>

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Rob and other intersted parties.

Regarding the cost of tilting trains against TGV, I read somewhere
once that had APT gone into squadron service, it would have cost one
fifth of the French solution over the same distance (London-Glasgow)
as the TGV (Paris-Marseille) at the same average speed for these
routes - bearing in mind that TGV is restricted in speed off the high
speed line i.e. Lyon-Marseille.

The actual cost per km could have been even cheaper still as APT was
a more advance and lightweight train than TGV, and as such passengers
would not be charged a premium by BR for using these trains.

As you can see, a lot of variables come into play at this point eg
cost of ticket price, inflation differences in the two countries and
so on.

I cannot comment on other tilting trains.

Hope this helps a bit!

Simon Argyle

--- "G. Duffy" <g_duffy_uk@...> wrote:

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>
> Does anybody know "When is the next Crewe Works Open
> Day?"
>
> Take Care,
>
>
> Graham
>
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