Well not really but my website has moved to -

http://www.therailwayage.co.uk/apt

The freeserve based website remains but will no longer be updated -
please could you change any links / bookmarks on your pages to the
above.


Rob

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

APT-E Workday 4 at the NRM

Date: Saturday, December 9, 2000
Time: 10:00AM - 5:00PM UTC (GMT+00:00)

APT-E Workday 6 at the NRM

The following advanced-passenger-train poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Do "You know Your APT Facts?"
What was the top speed of the :
APT-E and APT-P ?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- APT-E 136.0 mph, 0 votes, 0.00%
- APT-E 147.0 mph, 0 votes, 0.00%
- APT-E 152.3 mph, 5 votes, 50.00%
- APT-E 157.0 mph, 0 votes, 0.00%
- APT-E 160.0 mph, 0 votes, 0.00%
- APT-P 136.4 mph, 0 votes, 0.00%
- APT-P 143.2 mph , 0 votes, 0.00%
- APT-P 152.3 mph, 0 votes, 0.00%
- APT-P 157.0 mph, 1 votes, 10.00%
- APT-P 162.2 mph, 4 votes, 40.00%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- APT-E 136.0 mph
- APT-E 147.0 mph
- APT-E 152.3 mph
- Pal@...
- AndyAppleton@...
- rob@...
- sam@...
- Iann.w@...
- APT-E 157.0 mph
- APT-E 160.0 mph
- APT-P 136.4 mph
- APT-P 143.2 mph
- APT-P 152.3 mph
- APT-P 157.0 mph
- sam@...
- APT-P 162.2 mph
- Pal@...
- AndyAppleton@...
- rob@...
- Iann.w@...


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Do you have a copy of the programe?

Yours.
Graham
--- Rob Latham <rob@...> wrote:

> Anyone in the UK who missed tonights BLUE PETER on
> BBC1 can get the
> chance to see it again in the morning repeat.
>
> The programme was from the NRM in York, and showed
> the APT-E together
> with archive footage of both the E & P trains,
> followed by work on
> the new Virgin trains.
>
> Best Wishes
>
>
> Rob
>
> www.therailwayage.co.uk
>
>
>
>

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I have a simple question about the Hornby APT model if anyone can
help. How accurate is the model? ie. when compared to the real thing
scaled down are the dimensions correct? Is the body shape right etc..

and I, for one, am still loking to purchace a set :-)

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Appleton <AndyAppleton@...>
To: APT egroup <Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com>
Date: 21 December 2000 18:24
Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] Seasons Greetings

I would like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year.

 

Long Live The APT !

 

All The Best,

Andy

See -
http://www.therailwayage.co.uk/apt/Card.htm

Best Wishes

Rob Latham (APT-P Support Team)

http://www.therailwayage.co.uk

Virgin Trains have changed their timetable yet again!
They have also cancelled most of their reservations
too. YOU MUST NOW RE-CONFIRM YOUR TRAINTIMES AND
RESERVATION TOO, FOR TRAVEL WITH VIRGIN TRAINS!!!!!!!

The TrainLine, Virgin Trains; tel - 08457 222333

Thank you...

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I would like to wish you ALL a very Merry Christmas &
all the best for the New Year!!!!!

Best wishes - Graham

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Hello,

Does anyone know what "HST" stands for?

Best wishes,


Graham

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----- Original Message -----

From: G. Duffy

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 12:50 PM

Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] Advanced-Passenger-Train

Hello,

Does anyone know what "HST" stands for?

Best wishes,


Graham

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Thanks Sam!

Best wishes - Graham!
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> High Speed Train.
>
> Sam W.
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> Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train]
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> Does anyone know what "HST" stands for?
>
> Best wishes,
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----- Original Message -----

From: modelefx@...

To: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:35 AM

Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] Question about the Hornby APT

I have a simple question about the Hornby APT model if anyone can
help.  How accurate is the model? ie. when compared to the real thing
scaled down are the dimensions correct?  Is the body shape right etc..

and I, for one, am still loking to purchace a set :-)

Lee

Hello!

I would like a Hornby APT Set. Does anyone know where
I can get one from?

Best wishes,


Graham

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where did you get the booklet from andy?

best wishes, -graham
--- Andy Appleton <AndyAppleton@...>
wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am now the lucky owner of the following item:
>
> 'British Rail Class 370 Trains (APT-P) Working
> Instructions'
>
> This is a fascinating booklet containing everything
> you need to know about the train. It even tells you
> how the APT should be used when assisting another
> train which has failed !
>
> I have attached scans of the booklet cover and the
> index page. If anyone has any questions please don't
> hesitate to ask.
>
> Take Care,
> Andy
>
> Advanced-Passenger-Train-owner@egroups.com
>
>

http://www.egroups.com/group/advanced-passenger-train

>
>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=Working

Instructions.jpg

> ATTACHMENT part 3 image/jpeg name=Index.jpg

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Hello,

Does anyone know the website/webpage address for the
Microsoft Train Simulator site?

Best wishes,


Graham

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----- Original Message -----

From: G. Duffy

 

Hello,

Does anyone know the website/webpage address for the
Microsoft Train Simulator site?

Best wishes,


Graham

A friend of mine sold it to me, Can't say who or how much I paid for
it......I promised !!


Best Wishes,
Andy

----- Original Message -----

From: G. Duffy

To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 1:10 PM

Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] Re: Advanced-Passenger-Train

Hello!

I would like a Hornby APT Set.  Does anyone know where
I can get one from?

Best wishes,


Graham

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thanks

happy xmas

GD
--- Sam White <sam@...> wrote:

> Yeah sure, find it at
> http://www.microsoft.com/games/trainsim/
>
> Merry Xmas
>
> Sam W.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: G. Duffy
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know the website/webpage address for
> the
> Microsoft Train Simulator site?
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Graham
>

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Hi,
I'm new to the group. What are the aims of those rebuilding the APT E's and
P's? Is there a group trying to restore an APT to full working order to work
on charters and special services etc? (Putting it to work with virgin's 390s
would be pushing it too far though :-) I would love to see this happen as I
never saw one of these trains out on the mainline.

TIA,
Declan Aduba
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Hi Declan,

>I'm new to the group. What are the aims of those rebuilding the APT E's

and

>P's? Is there a group trying to restore an APT to full working order to

work

>on charters and special services etc? (Putting it to work with virgin's

390s

>would be pushing it too far though :-) I would love to see this happen as

I

>never saw one of these trains out on the mainline.<

There is little or no chance of either of the existing APTs ever running
again under their own power.

There only ever was one APT-E, and it was powered by ten Leyland truck gas
turbines driving generators which then drove four standard bogie mounted
traction motors. While the expertise, knowledge and parts exist to get the
electric side of this working, there were only ever a handful of people who
knew how to run the turbines, and the chance of any of them still being
able to remember how to do it is very low. Also there are very few turbine
spares available, and the chances that some will be needed is pretty high.
Remember APT-E last ran in 1976.....

The APT-E preservation group's main aim is to restore the train to a more
presentable situation than it is now. It's not had any work done on it,
apart from that carried out by us this year, since 1976, and it's in pretty
bad shape. We might be able to get some of the systems to work again, I
myself am particularly keen to get at least one vehicle tilting again
naturally, but other sub-systems could be restored without too much
difficulty (Famous last words..........)

All this is quite apart from the unliklihood of Railtrack actually allowing
an APT to run on their tracks again. The APT-E Power cars are the longest
locos to ever run on BR metals, and are quite a bit out of gauge for normal
running. Every single test run was under a Special Notice, and had to run
on precisely surveyed and allocated routes so that it did not strike some
track-side object.

In general terms I'n sure the same situation exists for the only remaining
APT-P, but I'll let one of Rob's group answer for them more fully.

Regards
Kit Spackman
APT-E Tilt System Development Engineer

I wouldn't of imagined that i'd be catching an APT E
or P to wakefield on the ECML, although, the new
Virgin Trains should be a little treat to see...

>Steven

--- Declan Aduba <decdoob@...> wrote: > Hi,

> I'm new to the group. What are the aims of those
> rebuilding the APT E's and
> P's? Is there a group trying to restore an APT to
> full working order to work
> on charters and special services etc? (Putting it to
> work with virgin's 390s
> would be pushing it too far though :-) I would love
> to see this happen as I
> never saw one of these trains out on the mainline.
>
> TIA,
> Declan Aduba
>

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Hi everyone,

Many thanks to all of you who have given me information on the APT. It's a
real shame that it won't run again - but it's no suprise really seeing that
the cost was too much to get the train running properly in the 80's when
they had millions to spend - and I don't think any company with that kind of
money would invest in the train.
I am however looking forward to the class 390 pendolinos to enter service -
they can go straight into the squadron stage that APT never got to.

Cheers,
Declan


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Hi Declan,

>I am however looking forward to the class 390 pendolinos to enter service

- they can go >straight into the squadron stage that APT never got to.<

Interestingly, the cross country Virgin tilting trains, and I'm afraid I
don't know their Class no. will be using APT-P tilt technology. The main
line 390s, with the Pendelino type tilt system, work on a different
technique, but because of the vageries of various mergers and take-overs,
the cross-country Virgins will use Bombardier tilt systems, which came from
Adtranz, which came from BR Engineering.

The current Swedish Railways X2000 class uses the same system, and some
years ago I found myself at Linkoping and needing to be in Malmo without a
car, so I went by train. The girl in the travel agent said 'You can go by
the fast train or by the normal train. The fast one is more expensive but I
have to tell you it is a strange one, and it leans inwards on corners like
a motor-cycle. You may not like that.....' I assured her I would fi nd it
only too fascinating and 30 mins later I was waiting for the X2000.

On the way south I was getting off at every station to look at the bogies,
and on the heavily curved portions I was standing in the gangway with my
eyes shut to gauge the amount of cant deficiancy. <g> After about 45 mins
of this one of the train staff came up to me and asked me if I was feeling
OK so I told him of my interest in such things, and he said it was a pity
I wasn't on the northbound run as the Chief Engineer was on that, and he'd
have been fascinated to meet me.

As it turned out, I had the 'Super Guided Tour' of the train the next
morning at Malmo Station, thanks to this guy who arranged it for me. I bet
I don't get that from Virgin when the 390s and the cross-countries get
running.......

Regards
Kit

Hi Kit,

>
>Interestingly, the cross country Virgin tilting trains, and I'm afraid I
>don't know their Class no. will be using APT-P tilt technology.

Very interesting to hear that. The non-tilt XC trains are class 220
'voyager' and the tilting version class 221 'super-voyager'. They are
identical apart from the tilt. I have some pics of a voyager on test in
Bruges if anyone wants pics reply and i'll send them.

>I don't get that from Virgin when the 390s and the cross-countries get
>running.......

The XC voyagers should start off on a new Birmingham-Swindon-London
Paddington service in mid 2001. Then they will start working the Brigton and
Bournmouth to the North West and Scotland services. They should all be
runnimg for the new XC timetable in 2002 - which will see 1 Virgin train an
hour at my local station compared to 2 a day now! I'm not too sure aout when
the 390s are entering service - but I'd guess it will carry it's first
passengers late 2001.

Cheers,
Declan
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I've just got back from the NRM, after having a tour
around the APT-E and took a few photographs. Thanks
very much to Helen at the NRM, who guided me around :)

The photographs can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/pmht_uk/apt.html

Steven





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Hi, as Kit has already answered from the E Train point of view, much of that goes for the P Train as well, especially the cost and
unlikelyhood of getting a safety case to allow a return to the mainline.

So our aims are very similar - to prevent any further decay to these important parts of our railway heritage.

We have restored many of the (non-traction) systems on the P Train to working order.


Rob

Hello everyone,
Iam new to the group and I have a few questions about the APT. Can
someone tell me what the difference is between the APT-E and APT-P
and also is the new Virgin Trains which will be running soon based on
the APT idea or is it somthing totally different,

Thanks

Daniel White

Hi Daniel,

>Can someone tell me what the difference is between the APT-E and APT-P and

also is >the new Virgin Trains which will be running soon based on the APT
idea or is it somthing >totally different,<

I could write a book, but Hugh Williams already has............

The APT-E, or E-Train, ('Experimental') was built purely for research and
was never intended to, nor did it, carry paying passengers. It was a 4 car
articulated train, with 2 Power cars and 2 intermediate trailer cars. The
Power cars each had 5 Leyland gas turbines each driving a generator, which
in turn drove 2 traction motors, one on each axle of the power bogies.
Total installed power on a good day was 3500 hp. One trailer car was fitted
out as a mobile laboratory with data collection equipment as well as an
on-board digital computer to process it all. It also had spaces for the
control sttations for the the various train systems. There was a very
small, 2 seat, VIP compartment to allow honoured guests to experience very
high speed running. The other trailer car had a 24 seat passenger
compartment that used up half it's volume and the other half was taken up
by spares storage, uitilities and a space for stashing things when the VIPs
were aboard. The entire E-Train is at the NRM at York, albeit in two parts,
the Laboratory car being inside and the other 3 car set is outside.

The APT-P (P-Train) was designed as a 'Prototype' for service APTs, and
three were built in all. They really did enter passenger service, but not
for long, and had rather intermittent career on the West Coast Main Line on
test runs and trial services etc. before they were withdrawn. The P-Trains
were 14 car sets, having 2 power cars in the centre (yes really.........)
each with 4000 hp installed, and 6 passenger cars at each end. The end car
had a driving cab and was articulated to the next 5 cars. The two power
cars were not articulated and each had two 4 wheel bogies which were
electrically driven by body mounted traction motors via big drive shafts
and gearboxes. I can't remember the passenger capacity (but I bet Rob
can.......) but it was quite a lot, and each 'end' of the train had it's
own luggage/guard's compartment. The First Class end had a Restaurant car,
and the Second Class end had a Buffet (2nd Class passengers don't need to
eat, of course....) The only remaining P=Train is at Crewe, under Rob's
tender care, and has at least one of every type of P-Train car, but there
isn't a complete 14 car set, more's the pity.

All APT vehicles had high speed, high compliance, air sprung suspension
systems and every one tilted, despite rumours to the contrary.

Re the second part of your question about the Virgin trains, you missed the
discussion on that by a day! <g>

Briefly the tilting cross country trains will have tilt systems that use
APT type tilt systems and the main line ones will use Fiat Pendelino type
tilt systerms. As far as the rest of the suspension system is concerned,
virtually all high speed trains world-wide now use APT type systems, but
there are some that use long stroke coil spring secondaries, rather than
air springs. The Virgin trains are no different. The body and structure of
the Virgin trains do have some APT type ideas incorporated but most present
day passenger stock does that anyway.

Quite why Virgin went for two different ways of tilting I don't know, but
it wouldn't surprise me if the people who signed the checques didn't know
the difference anyway.

Regards
Kit Spackman

SORRY KIT But unfortunately at Crewe we don't have 'a least one of
each' type of APT-P vehicle but rather DTS-TBF-NDM-TBF-TRBS-DTS with
another power car currently at Kineton.

The seating capacities of all the vehicles can be found at -

http://www.therailwayage.co.uk/apt/aptvehiclespec.htm

so you will be able to calculate the capacity of any APT-P formation.

Today I came across the Rail3d software which includes APT-P if you
haven't already seen it it can be found at www.rail3d.ic24.net You
probally know this already ! But nobody has told little od me about
it !

Rob

Hi Kit,

Thanks for all you intreasting info, I have not seen much info about APT but
the website i lookes at yesterday was very intreasting.
Thanks
Daniel

>From: Kit Spackman <101453.3657@...>
>Reply-To: Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com
>To: "INTERNET:Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com"
><Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com>
>Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] Digest Number 73
>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:41:54 -0500
>
>Hi Daniel,
>
> >Can someone tell me what the difference is between the APT-E and APT-P
>and
>also is >the new Virgin Trains which will be running soon based on the APT
>idea or is it somthing >totally different,<
>
>I could write a book, but Hugh Williams already has............
>
>The APT-E, or E-Train, ('Experimental') was built purely for research and
>was never intended to, nor did it, carry paying passengers. It was a 4 car
>articulated train, with 2 Power cars and 2 intermediate trailer cars. The
>Power cars each had 5 Leyland gas turbines each driving a generator, which
>in turn drove 2 traction motors, one on each axle of the power bogies.
>Total installed power on a good day was 3500 hp. One trailer car was fitted
>out as a mobile laboratory with data collection equipment as well as an
>on-board digital computer to process it all. It also had spaces for the
>control sttations for the the various train systems. There was a very
>small, 2 seat, VIP compartment to allow honoured guests to experience very
>high speed running. The other trailer car had a 24 seat passenger
>compartment that used up half it's volume and the other half was taken up
>by spares storage, uitilities and a space for stashing things when the VIPs
>were aboard. The entire E-Train is at the NRM at York, albeit in two parts,
>the Laboratory car being inside and the other 3 car set is outside.
>
>The APT-P (P-Train) was designed as a 'Prototype' for service APTs, and
>three were built in all. They really did enter passenger service, but not
>for long, and had rather intermittent career on the West Coast Main Line on
>test runs and trial services etc. before they were withdrawn. The P-Trains
>were 14 car sets, having 2 power cars in the centre (yes really.........)
>each with 4000 hp installed, and 6 passenger cars at each end. The end car
>had a driving cab and was articulated to the next 5 cars. The two power
>cars were not articulated and each had two 4 wheel bogies which were
>electrically driven by body mounted traction motors via big drive shafts
>and gearboxes. I can't remember the passenger capacity (but I bet Rob
>can.......) but it was quite a lot, and each 'end' of the train had it's
>own luggage/guard's compartment. The First Class end had a Restaurant car,
>and the Second Class end had a Buffet (2nd Class passengers don't need to
>eat, of course....) The only remaining P=Train is at Crewe, under Rob's
>tender care, and has at least one of every type of P-Train car, but there
>isn't a complete 14 car set, more's the pity.
>
>All APT vehicles had high speed, high compliance, air sprung suspension
>systems and every one tilted, despite rumours to the contrary.
>
>Re the second part of your question about the Virgin trains, you missed the
>discussion on that by a day! <g>
>
>Briefly the tilting cross country trains will have tilt systems that use
>APT type tilt systems and the main line ones will use Fiat Pendelino type
>tilt systerms. As far as the rest of the suspension system is concerned,
>virtually all high speed trains world-wide now use APT type systems, but
>there are some that use long stroke coil spring secondaries, rather than
>air springs. The Virgin trains are no different. The body and structure of
>the Virgin trains do have some APT type ideas incorporated but most present
>day passenger stock does that anyway.
>
>Quite why Virgin went for two different ways of tilting I don't know, but
>it wouldn't surprise me if the people who signed the checques didn't know
>the difference anyway.
>
>Regards
>Kit Spackman

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Hi Nick,

I'd take issue with a few of your points below.

>.... two trailers chock full of instrumentation.<

Only one actually, TC1 never did have any instrumentation and to this day
still has half of it's length virtually empty. (Well, it would be if we
hadn't temporarilly filled it up with the seats from the other end...)

>You're probably familiar with the photograph of a prototype Concorde

making a low >pass over the GW main line near Filton as the APT-E passed
underneath. What a fluke >that must have been for the photographer - I just
cannot imagine it being set up!<

AFAIK it never actually happened either! It was a photo montage as the
furthest west the E-Train ever got was Swindon. 90% of the Western region
runs were from Uffington Loop to the Goring Gap bridge over the Thames. Not
only was I on board for most of them but I have piccies of the train at
both ends of the runs.

> And, too, there are photo's of the APT-E and the experimental HST (41 001

+ 41 002, >later numbered as a multiple unit 252 001) side by side at
Swindon. <

That not only surprised us, it suprised the HST staff and Joe Public on the
station as well! The HST was held at Swindon for a late running freight
clearing the line, and we got there early due to an exceptionally swift
run-around at the Reading end by our fuelling crew. Now that pic really WAS
a fluke, although it was always on the cards during that week as both
trains were crossing each other the whole time. Hugh's book has a pic of
the E-Train crew at Old Oak Common after our speed record run with the HST
power car 'on shed' in the background.

>...pantograph technology wasn't up to having two pans at opposite ends of

the train both >working at the 150mph envisaged for the train. <

Not to mention the pig headed-ness of people 'high up' who wouldn't
contemplate bussing 25Kv along the roof. Something which has been done for
years by the French and is now every-day stuff on the Eurostars....

>By the time they reached passenger service one half of each train had been

reduced to >just driving trailer plus power car.. <

Not quite, there had to be a van trailer also as otherwise the articulated
driving trailer wouldn't have connected to the non-articulated power car.

>The APT-P was introduced on Monday 7th December 1981 to a blaze of

publicity. As >noted by another poster, certain inebriate hacks exaggerated
the nausea problem, >which was mainly due to the fact that the tilt
mechanism compensated *too* perfectly for >the sensations of cornering. <

Even though I'd left BR by then I was on the very first southbound run, and
the lack of any sense of cornering in the dark was amazing. The train ran
at conventional speed for about 10 miles out of Glasgow, and then
accelerated to 'APT Normal' speed. I was aware of the tilting, but then
I'm hyper-sensitive to it, but I doubt many others were. I could feel the
vertical accelerations from my outboard seat as the vehicles transitioned
to their tilt angle in the curves. As the light came up, somewhere around
Abington curve, it became apparent to those looking out of the window that
we were actually tilting, and the run down Beattock toward Lockerbie was
quite something. It all proved too much for the hacks, who as is their
wont, had spent the previous night imbibing much of BR's publicity budget.
They then had the nerve to complain about the tilt system! As if they had
the first idea of what was going on anyway....

>But the train did suffer two or three minor tilt failures during the trial

run, which didn't help its >credibility either.<

On the northbound run it might have done, but the southbound run was
fault-free.

>As far as the media were concerned that was the end of the APT. However

the >engineers kept working quietly on retuning the tilt mechanism, <

Well, not JUST the tilt system tuning. That was pretty much already sorted
by then and most of the tilt work was on the reliabilty of the various
components. Much of that had been 'value engineered' and they would have
been far better staying with the more expensive, but more reliable,
components that had originally been specified.

Regards
Kit

Did anyone in this group work for BR while the APT was being
tested/run? I would really like to hear from anyone that worked in
Scotland as my Grandpa was a traction inspector who used to drive the
APT between Glasgow and Carlisle, his name was John Marshall Craigie.
If anyone knew him please let me know!

As for people saying about feeling sick on the train. I went on a staff
only run between Glasgow and London and was ill, I was sitting on the
aisle seat and could see all the carriages tilting and think this made
me feel worse! I do get very sea sick and think it was a similar feeling
(I was only 8 at the time!!!)

Carole

At Crewe we have a number of ex BR Drivers who worked on APT, together with Traction Inspector Bill Andrews, I'll put you in touch
if you want !


P.S. What did you decide to do with the collection of APT items that you have ?


Rob Latham

APT-P Support Team
The Railway Age
Vernon Way
Crewe
CW1 2DB
England

Hi Carole,

>..... and was ill, I was sitting on the aisle seat and could see all the

carriages tilting and >think this made me feel worse! I do get very sea
sick and think it was a similar feeling<

That's interesting, I've never actually met anyone who was ill through
tilting. Can you remember how long it took before you started feeling bad?
And did it feel worse or better with your eyes shut? That is if you were
taking notes at the time..... <g>

I've had vertigo effects in an aircraft occasionally, usually when I've not
been paying attention and the aircraft was in a well balanced turn when I
looked outside and saw the world in an attitude which I did not expect.
Sometimes it's taken a considerable time for 'reality' to re-establish
itself.

Regards
Kit

Hi Kit, I can't remember it was 20 years ago!!! - I do remember really
not feeling well when I was in London, so I guess nothing really made me
feel better!

Carole

Kit Spackman wrote:

>
> Hi Carole,
>
> >..... and was ill, I was sitting on the aisle seat and could see all the
> carriages tilting and >think this made me feel worse! I do get very sea
> sick and think it was a similar feeling<
>
> That's interesting, I've never actually met anyone who was ill through
> tilting. Can you remember how long it took before you started feeling bad?
> And did it feel worse or better with your eyes shut? That is if you were
> taking notes at the time..... <g>
>
> I've had vertigo effects in an aircraft occasionally, usually when I've not
> been paying attention and the aircraft was in a well balanced turn when I
> looked outside and saw the world in an attitude which I did not expect.
> Sometimes it's taken a considerable time for 'reality' to re-establish
> itself.
>
> Regards
> Kit

>You're probably familiar with the photograph of a prototype >Concorde making a low pass over the GW main line near Filton as >the APT-E passed underneath. What a fluke that must have been >for the photographer - I just cannot imagine it being set up!

Has anyone got a copy of this photo ? I am not familiar with this photograph and would really like to see it.

TIA, John

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Hi John (John Wood that is)

Your message the the E-Train and Concorde photo arrived in the digest as
'not in a dipslayable format' on my download. Is there a chance you can
re-send it in text only format plase?

Regards
Kit

--- In Advanced-Passenger-Train@egroups.com, Kit Spackman wrote:

> Hi John (John Wood that is)
>
> Your message the the E-Train and Concorde photo arrived in the

digest as

> 'not in a dipslayable format' on my download. Is there a chance you

can

> re-send it in text only format plase?
>
> Regards
> Kit

>You're probably familiar with the photograph of a prototype Concorde
>making a low pass over the GW main line near Filton as the APT-E
>passed underneath. What a fluke that must have been for the
>photographer - I just cannot imagine it being set up!

Has anyone got a copy of this photo ? I am not familiar with this
photograph and would really like to see it.

TIA,
John


P.S. Sorry Kit !

Attachments :

Some of you may know that a while ago Alan Wickens and I took part in
filming a short item for a Discovery TV programme on significant inventions
of our time, or other times even. The series will cover two linked
inventions in each 30 min. segment, although some of the links seemed
rather tenuous to me. I believe the one after E-Train is an electric
kettle.......

Anyway, the producer of the series phoned me recently to say the film will
be shown in February some time, on the Discovery Home and Leisure channel.
I'll keep you posted when I have more information.

Don't get to enthusiastic about it though, in 15 mins or less you can't get
much of E-Train in there, and as we took most of the day filming it, they
will have cut it drastically.

Kit Spackman