Hello all.
It has come to my attention that the E train web pages are off-line.
I have contacted Prestel about the problem, they promise that the
server fault will be fixed ASAP.

I will post again when the pages are up and running.

Sunday 10th September 2000.

Alan Wickhams is visiting the NRM and is having a look at what the
support group are doing with E train, if I can I will try and get
down to meet him.

Thanks

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group
HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1 (when it works!!)
Pal@...

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Hi Andy,

Where did you find it ?

Regards,

Adam
-----Original Message-----
Hi Everyone,

I am now the lucky owner of the following item:

'British Rail Class 370 Trains (APT-P) Working Instructions'

This is a fascinating booklet containing everything you need to know about
the train. It even tells you how the APT should be used when assisting
another train which has failed !

I have attached scans of the booklet cover and the index page. If anyone has
any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Take Care,
Andy

Hi Stuart,

I have picked one of the earlier sets up without the Black-hood around the
window for only £75.00 squid. The set is six years older than me!!!! It is
now 20 years old!! I think the last one at ebay went for £200 and
something!!!!

Rgds,

Adam

-----Original Message-----

Hi there,

Anyone still looking for an apt set there is another one on ebay item #
431545436 currently at £87.00

rgds,

Stuart

Hello Andy,

Would you be able to please scan the booklet for me &
e-mail me a copy please?

By the way, have you sent out the APT video yet?

Cheers,
Graham
--- Andy Appleton <AndyAppleton@...>
wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am now the lucky owner of the following item:
>
> 'British Rail Class 370 Trains (APT-P) Working
> Instructions'
>
> This is a fascinating booklet containing everything
> you need to know about the train. It even tells you
> how the APT should be used when assisting another
> train which has failed !
>
> I have attached scans of the booklet cover and the
> index page. If anyone has any questions please don't
> hesitate to ask.
>
> Take Care,
> Andy
>
> Advanced-Passenger-Train-owner@egroups.com
>
>

http://www.egroups.com/group/advanced-passenger-train

>
>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=Working

Instructions.jpg

> ATTACHMENT part 3 image/jpeg name=Index.jpg

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Hi Everyone.
Prestel have sorted out the problem, but the company that they use to
host customers websites has deleted the entire contents of the
Support Group web pages, they say they did it by mistake.

I have to write a full CD off of the web site and then post it to
them so that they can copy all 31mb+ of data back to the server.

They have allowed me to place videos on the web as compensation.

Sorry for the loss of service, check back to the support group site
at the end of the week.

Regards

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group
HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1 (Given time!!)
Pal:York1.prestel.co.uk

Hi Everyone,
I have now replaced all the files on the web server myself instead of
send the CD web pages off to Scotland online, Thanks to the York
College 2meg link to the internet.

If anyone finds pages that have faults or broken links please could
you let me know ASAP.

Watch out for news about APT from Channel 4, they are making a film
about Britains highspeed railways. They are visiting the NRM on
Friday, so with luck, more news after that date.

Regards

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group
HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
Pal@...

Is there any way we can help in the filming??
Regards

Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Leadley <Pal@...>
To: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com
<advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com>
Date: 12 September 2000 10:05
Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] APT-E Website now up and running
again...

>
>Hi Everyone,
>I have now replaced all the files on the web server myself instead of
>send the CD web pages off to Scotland online, Thanks to the York
>College 2meg link to the internet.
>
>If anyone finds pages that have faults or broken links please could
>you let me know ASAP.
>
>Watch out for news about APT from Channel 4, they are making a film
>about Britains highspeed railways. They are visiting the NRM on
>Friday, so with luck, more news after that date.
>
>Regards
>
>Paul Leadley
>APT-E Conservation & Support Group
>HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
>Pal@...
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hello Adam,
Thanks for the offer, but the filming is out of my control, its a CH4
thing. I'm just going, "petrol permitting" to see what they are upto
and to keep an eye on what they say about E train, or indeed our
efforts at conservation.

If you ever come to York and would like a tour of E train, I'm sure I
could arrange something for you.

Regards

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group
HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
Pal@...

Dear Paul,

Thanks, I look forward to the opportunity to come nod see the E train. In
Birmingham I am not even close the ECML but I hope (not confirmed) to be on
holiday in half term in York. I may be able to see it then. Thanks for all
your support.

Regards & Many Thanks,

Adam

-----Original Message-----

Hello Adam,

Thanks for the offer, but the filming is out of my control, its a CH4 thing.
I'm just going, "petrol permitting" to see what they are upto and to keep an
eye on what they say about E train, or indeed our efforts at conservation.

If you ever come to York and would like a tour of E train, I'm sure I could
arrange something for you.

Regards,

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

Dear Paul,

Thanks, I look forward to the opportunity to come nod see the E train. In
Birmingham I am not even close the ECML but I hope (not confirmed) to be on
holiday in half term in York. I may be able to see it then. Thanks for all
your support.

Regards & Many Thanks,

Adam

-----Original Message-----

Hello Adam,

Thanks for the offer, but the filming is out of my control, its a CH4 thing.
I'm just going, "petrol permitting" to see what they are upto and to keep an
eye on what they say about E train, or indeed our efforts at conservation.

If you ever come to York and would like a tour of E train, I'm sure I could
arrange something for you.

Regards,

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

Hi All,
The people from the Discovery channel came to the NRM on Friday and
spent most of the day talking to, and filming Alan and Kit. The
programme is about why APT was built and whats happened since. It
should be about 25 - 30 mins long and is going to be shown sometime
after Christmas. I let let you all know a date as soon as I have it.

Long live the APT.

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Work day number 4 at the NRM.

Date: Saturday, September 30, 2000
Time: 10:00AM - 3:00PM UTC (GMT+00:00)

APT-E Conservation & Support Group.
Workday number 4 at the NRM.

Please Note.
------------

The above date has been cancelled, I was unable to remove this event
from the diary events.

Sorry everyone.

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservtaion & Support Group

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

APT-E Workday Number 4

Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000
Time: 10:00AM - 5:00PM UTC (GMT+00:00)

APT-E Workday 4 at the NRM

I am not sure if anyone will be interested in this but by grandfather
used to drive the APT, and I took one of the runs from Glasgow to
London. I have quite a lot of bits and bobs regarding the APT including
photos and promotional items.

let me know if you are interested

Dear Carole,

Yes, I am Adam and I am 14 years old. I am researching the APT.

Regards,

Adam,

Birmingham,

-----Original Message-----
From: carole macdonald <carole.macdonald@...>
To: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com
<advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com>
Date: 14 October 2000 21:52
Subject: [Advanced-Passenger-Train] driver

>I am not sure if anyone will be interested in this but by grandfather
>used to drive the APT, and I took one of the runs from Glasgow to
>London. I have quite a lot of bits and bobs regarding the APT including
>photos and promotional items.
>
>let me know if you are interested
>
>
>
>
>

I checked out the APT-E badge on Ebay that Andy mentioned .

It's not the official BR E-Train security badge, its the lapel badge that
was porduced around that time. It depicts a view from the right forward
quarter of the E-Train Power Car, painted in white, blue and yellow enamel.
Nice badge though all the same.

Kit

I went in and had a look at it and realised that I have the same
badge!!! It looks nothing like the actual train that ran, I believe
that is what the prototype looked like??




Kit Spackman wrote:

>
> I checked out the APT-E badge on Ebay that Andy mentioned .
>
> It's not the official BR E-Train security badge, its the lapel badge that
> was porduced around that time. It depicts a view from the right forward
> quarter of the E-Train Power Car, painted in white, blue and yellow enamel.
> Nice badge though all the same.
>
> Kit
>

Hello,

Yes, I am very interested! Please send me more
information.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Best wishes,


Graham

g_duffy_uk@...
--- carole macdonald <carole.macdonald@...>
wrote:

> I am not sure if anyone will be interested in this
> but by grandfather
> used to drive the APT, and I took one of the runs
> from Glasgow to
> London. I have quite a lot of bits and bobs
> regarding the APT including
> photos and promotional items.
>
> let me know if you are interested
>

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Hello,
The badge is of E Train (APT-E) Experimental, the first full version
of APT which ran from 1971-1976 and is now in the National Collection
at the NRM, York and is presently undergoing a conservation and
restoration project.

For anyone who wants to see a better picture of the E Train badge,
please look at

HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/index/apt132.htm

The version of APT which ran in service was the Prototype train, APT-
P.

Hope this clears this issue up.

Paul

Hello all APT Fans,
Early in November the BBC are comming to the National Railway Museum,
York to film an artcile
on APT-E, it is to be part of a Blue Peter programme.

I will post more details when I have them, like the time and date of
transmission.

Regards

Paul

Hi Carole,

>I went in and had a look at it and realised that I have the same
>badge!!! It looks nothing like the actual train that ran, I believe
>that is what the prototype looked like??<

There's a problem with names here. The APT that ran in service on the
Euston-Glasgow run was called the APT-P (P for Prototype) in BR parlance,
but it wasn't the first APT. The badge depicts the APT-E (E for
Experimental) that ran in the early '70s and is a pretty accurate rendition
except that the white bits on the badge were silver on the real train.
APT-E never did run in service as it was only intended for research work,
and only had 24 seats for 'passengers' anyway.

If you take a trip to the York NRM you can see the real thing of course,
and it's silver is still close to the original colour, just a bit worn by
now. When the project was running the APT-E was called 'E-Train' and the
APT-P was called 'P-TRain' by those of us working on them. If a full fleet
of APTs had gone into service they were going to be called 'S-Train', 'S'
for 'Service', but sadly that never happened of course.

Kit

I did not think that the APT actually went in to service. When I took
it, it was a test run and was only for BR employees and family?

It is very sad to think of the lack of development within our railway as
it is now over 20 years since they tried out this "new" concept, but
nothing has really changed



Kit Spackman wrote:

>
> Hi Carole,
>
> >I went in and had a look at it and realised that I have the same
> >badge!!! It looks nothing like the actual train that ran, I believe
> >that is what the prototype looked like??<
>
> There's a problem with names here. The APT that ran in service on the
> Euston-Glasgow run was called the APT-P (P for Prototype) in BR parlance,
> but it wasn't the first APT. The badge depicts the APT-E (E for
> Experimental) that ran in the early '70s and is a pretty accurate rendition
> except that the white bits on the badge were silver on the real train.
> APT-E never did run in service as it was only intended for research work,
> and only had 24 seats for 'passengers' anyway.
>
> If you take a trip to the York NRM you can see the real thing of course,
> and it's silver is still close to the original colour, just a bit worn by
> now. When the project was running the APT-E was called 'E-Train' and the
> APT-P was called 'P-TRain' by those of us working on them. If a full fleet
> of APTs had gone into service they were going to be called 'S-Train', 'S'
> for 'Service', but sadly that never happened of course.
>
> Kit
>

Hi Carole,

>I did not think that the APT actually went in to service. When I took it,

it was a test run and was only for BR >employees and family?<

Oh yes it did. I was on the very first passenger run even though I'd left
BR some time before. There were only 13 fare paying passengers on the
train!

It ran for a few weeks, and was then taken out of service because if icing
pantographs and H-K brake problems.

>It is very sad to think of the lack of development within our railway as

it is now over 20 years since they tried >out this "new" concept, but
nothing has really changed<

Dead right! Railways are a long term travel system, not a quick results
system, as most Governments seem to think

Kit

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Thanks!

I just found this group, so hi to all.

I've been following the APT since it's beginning, but since moving to
the States nine year ago have lost touch with what's going on back
home.

I always wanted one of the Hornby sets as a kid, but now I'm into N-
Scale I've decided to have a go at making a working N-Scale version
of the APT-P (And maybe the E after) It maybe a crazy plan, but it
might just work.

Can anyone help with the following questions:
1, Does anyone have a non-working Hornby set for sale?
2, How accurate is the hornby set and how much should/could it be
used as a modelling guide?
3, Are there any good web sites with photo's? (other than Suupport
team site)

Thanks,
Lee

Hello all

I commute into London every day by train. Recently we have had some
new electrostars put into service. Today they have been withdrawn
for the second time in two months due to electrical and software
problems. I sat on one that broke down for 45 mins before the driver
managed to get it working. Normal service - which is provided by old
class 310 units - has been severely disrupted since the introduction
of the new trains. c2c are therefore not taking any more deliveries
until the problems are sorted out. On top of this, the trains should
have been in service in November 1999.

The point here is that the problems that APT-P had in initial service
were probably no worse than a standard train. Lets remember that
this was a high spec prototype as well - I think the press and BR
management over reacted a bit.

I wonder if c2c will be scrapping all their new trains!

Simon Argyle

OFF TOPIC

Just to let you know that channel four are broadcasting the Scrapheap
Challenge with Richard Gibbon tonight at 17:45.

Nothing to do with APt I know ! - but how to build a steam powered
car.

Rob

Looks like my email address was messed up on my first post, Just
incase anyone tried to email me it's: Modelefx@...

Lee

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

APT-E Workday Number 5

Date: Saturday, November 4, 2000
Time: 10:00AM - 5:00PM UTC (GMT+00:00)

APT-E Workday 5 at the NRM

Hi All,
Well the Microsoft Train Sim gets even closer to release.
Now they have updated the site with some new screen shots of the
Flying Scotsman on the S&C, very impressive.

There are now also some video clips of the Simulator in action.
Again very impressive but the sound effects will need working on I
think, anyway see it at

http://www.microsoft.com/games/trainsim/

The second clip is worth downloading as it shows far more than the
first, its a little big at 12meg.

Or click and save the link below to save a small 1.9m version of the
same thing

HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/video/train.wmv

The above file "MUST" be saved to your local H/D and played from
there.

Enjoy

Regards

Paul Leadley

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o APT-E 147.0 mph
o APT-E 152.3 mph
o APT-E 157.0 mph
o APT-E 160.0 mph
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o APT-P 143.2 mph
o APT-P 152.3 mph
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Thanks!

Anyone in the UK who missed tonights BLUE PETER on BBC1 can get the
chance to see it again in the morning repeat.

The programme was from the NRM in York, and showed the APT-E together
with archive footage of both the E & P trains, followed by work on
the new Virgin trains.

Best Wishes


Rob

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