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Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 1 From: Andy Appleton Date: 15/07/2000
Subject: APT Web Site
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2 From: Javier Peña Date: 16/07/2000
Subject: APT fleet
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 3 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 26/07/2000
Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 4 From: Kit Spackman Date: 26/07/2000
Subject: This Group
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 5 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 26/07/2000
Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 7 From: Paul Leadley Date: 30/07/2000
Subject: APT-E Conservation & Support Group
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 8 From: Andy Appleton Date: 06/08/2000
Subject: APT-P at Preston
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 9 From: G. Duffy Date: 09/08/2000
Subject: APT Trains Now !!!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 10 From: Kit Spackman Date: 10/08/2000
Subject: [advanced-passenger-train] Digest Number 6
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 11 From: Rob Latham Date: 12/08/2000
Subject: Re: APT Trains Now !!!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 12 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 12/08/2000
Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 13 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 12/08/2000
Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 14 From: Paul Leadley Date: 14/08/2000
Subject: Microsoft TrainSim
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 15 From: Kit Spackman Date: 14/08/2000
Subject: [advanced-passenger-train] Digest Number 9
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 16 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 15/08/2000
Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 17 From: Paul Leadley Date: 15/08/2000
Subject: Thanks to Andy for setting up E-Groups APT.
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 18 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 15/08/2000
Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 19 From: Andy Appleton Date: 15/08/2000
Subject: Thanks !
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 21 From: Paul Leadley Date: 16/08/2000
Subject: APT-E Conservation & Support Group : Update 4
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 22 From: Paul Leadley Date: 16/08/2000
Subject: APT-E Video clip
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 23 From: david.hart Date: 16/08/2000
Subject: Introduction from an APTer
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 24 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 17/08/2000
Subject: Reminder - APT-E Work Day Number 3
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 25 From: Andy Appleton Date: 18/08/2000
Subject: APT-P Timetable 1984/5
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 26 From: Kit Spackman Date: 18/08/2000
Subject: [advanced-passenger-train] Digest Number 12
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 27 From: adam turner Date: 18/08/2000
Subject: Hi All
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 28 From: Andy Appleton Date: 21/08/2000
Subject: Amtrak's Tilting Train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 29 From: Andy Appleton Date: 21/08/2000
Subject: APT-P Photo !!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 30 From: Andy Appleton Date: 21/08/2000
Subject: APT-E Photo !!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 32 From: G. Duffy Date: 21/08/2000
Subject: [advanced-passenger-train]
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 33 From: Kit Spackman Date: 21/08/2000
Subject: Re APT pics
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 34 From: Paul Leadley Date: 22/08/2000
Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train]
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 35 From: Andy Appleton Date: 23/08/2000
Subject: More APT-P pictures !
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 36 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/08/2000
Subject: eGroups Newsletter
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 37 From: Andy Appleton Date: 25/08/2000
Subject: APT Model For Sale
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 38 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
Subject: Another APT-P picture !
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 39 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
Subject: Re: Another APT-P picture !
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 40 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
Subject: The High Speed Train Webring
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 41 From: John Whitby Date: 27/08/2000
Subject: Photos added to Site
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 42 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
Subject: Hornby APT Auction Price
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 43 From: G. Duffy Date: 27/08/2000
Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train] Hornby APT Auction Price
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 45 From: G. Duffy Date: 28/08/2000
Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train] Hornby APT Auction Price
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 46 From: stuart.king1 Date: 28/08/2000
Subject: Hornby APT Sets
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 47 From: Peter Morgan Date: 29/08/2000
Subject: New Here
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 48 From: Paul Leadley Date: 01/09/2000
Subject: APT-E Support Group News - Update 5
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 49 From: Paul Leadley Date: 01/09/2000
Subject: Microsoft Train Sim Pictures Update
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 50 From: Rob Latham Date: 03/09/2000
Subject: Re: Photos added to Site
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 51 From: John Whitby Date: 03/09/2000
Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train] Re: Photos added to Site
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 52 From: Andy Appleton Date: 04/09/2000
Subject: RAIL Issue 391
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 53 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 05/09/2000
Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 54 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 05/09/2000
Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train



Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 1 From: Andy Appleton Date: 15/07/2000
Subject: APT Web Site
Hi There,
 
If you wish to learn more about the 'APT' please visit Rob Latham's excellent site:
 
 
Take Care,
Andy
 
 
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 2 From: Javier Peña Date: 16/07/2000
Subject: APT fleet
Could anyone tell me more about the APT fleet (carraiges, formations, services they were going to do...).
Thank you.
 
Javier Peña: javier_pena@...
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 3 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 26/07/2000
Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the advanced-passenger-train
group:


Which versionnof the APT is the best
looking?

o APT-E
o APT-P


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Thanks!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 4 From: Kit Spackman Date: 26/07/2000
Subject: This Group
Paul Leadley told me about this group, and I hope I can contribute
something to it.

To introduce myself, I was the Tilt System Development Engineer on
APT-E during it's entire life, and I also worked on the POP train,
the Hastings Coach, the Trestrol and did some system development on
the APT-P tilt pack, although I never worked on APT-P itself.

I left what was then BR in 1978, but I did manage to be a real fare
paying passenger on the first ever APT-P passenger service, that
being the southbound trip from Glasgow to Euston. There were only 13
'real' passengers on that trip, everyone else was freeloading <g>

I'm an active member of the APT-E Support and Preservation Group, and
have the sunburn to prove it! To those who don't know, it's becoming
almost traditional that work days on the E Train at the NRM coincide
with horrendous temperatures and endless hours of sunlight, so bet on
a hot day on August 19th...

Kit
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 5 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 26/07/2000
Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the advanced-passenger-train
group:


Which version of APT-P looks the best?

o All yellow cab (Origional)?
o Yellow cab with black band, and InterCity APT logo?


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http://www.egroups.com/polls/advanced-passenger-train

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Thanks!
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 7 From: Paul Leadley Date: 30/07/2000
Subject: APT-E Conservation & Support Group
Hello All,
If you are interested in the experimental APT, try
HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1

Home of the APT-E Conservation & Support Group at the National
Railway Museum, York

The group hope to conserve the E train for future generations to
enjoy and tell the visitors to the NRM the story of the APT project.

Details on how to join the support group can also be found.

Regards

Paul Leadley
APT-E Conservation & Support Group
HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 8 From: Andy Appleton Date: 06/08/2000
Subject: APT-P at Preston
Attachments :
    I have recently found a picture of the APT-P at Preston. Unfortunately I don't know when it was taken.
     
    COPYRIGHT  Steve Davies
     
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 9 From: G. Duffy Date: 09/08/2000
    Subject: APT Trains Now !!!
    Hello,

    Does any one know if it is possable to ride on APT
    train today.

    Thanks,

    Graham Duffy

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    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 10 From: Kit Spackman Date: 10/08/2000
    Subject: [advanced-passenger-train] Digest Number 6
    Hi Graham,

    >Does any one know if it is possable to ride on APT train today.<

    We should be so lucky!

    Afraid not. There are only two APTs left of any sort, the APT-E, currentlly
    in the NRM at York, and until Paul and the rest of us have finished a 3
    year programme of refurbishment it won't even move, let alone have anyone
    ride on it.

    The only APT-P left is under Rob's tender care at Crew, and also in a
    non-running state. I'm not sure if Rob plans to get it going 100% in the
    future or not, but as with APT-E, the chances of it ever carrying
    passengers 'for real' again must be considered poor at best.

    Sadly the nearest thing you'll find to riding on an APT is to go to Sweden
    and take a ride on an X2000 train, which has a lot of APT technology built
    into it, although not as fast in an ultimate sense, as the Swedish railways
    hardly have any straights anywhere <g>

    Kit
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 11 From: Rob Latham Date: 12/08/2000
    Subject: Re: APT Trains Now !!!
    Hi Graham,
    I'm afraid that Kit is right in what he says able the
    future of the APT-P at Crewe, although it is fairly complete, the
    chances of seeing it on the mainline in future are extremely slim.

    So at present our aims are similar to those of the E-Train group at
    York, ie to conserve this important part of our railways heritage for
    future generations.

    At present I am repainting the exterior of 48103, see the website at
    www.therailwayage.co.uk for more details.

    Any millionaire / lottery winners out there who would like to speed
    up the restoration process will be most welcome !!!


    Rob
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 12 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 12/08/2000
    Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train
    The following advanced-passenger-train poll is now closed. Here are the
    final results:


    POLL QUESTION: Which version of the APT is the best
    looking?

    CHOICES AND RESULTS
    - APT-E, 4 votes, 80.00%
    - APT-P, 1 votes, 20.00%

    INDIVIDUAL VOTES
    - APT-E
    - 101453.3657@...
    - rob@...
    - Pal@...
    - Silver_dream_racer@...
    - APT-P
    - AndyAppleton@...


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    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 13 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 12/08/2000
    Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train
    The following advanced-passenger-train poll is now closed. Here are the
    final results:


    POLL QUESTION: Which version of APT-P looks the best?

    CHOICES AND RESULTS
    - All yellow cab (Origional)?, 0 votes, 0.00%
    - Yellow cab with black band, and InterCity APT logo?, 5 votes, 100.00%

    INDIVIDUAL VOTES
    - All yellow cab (Origional)?
    - Yellow cab with black band, and InterCity APT logo?
    - 101453.3657@...
    - Pal@...
    - rob@...
    - Silver_dream_racer@...
    - AndyAppleton@...


    For more information about this group, please visit
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    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 14 From: Paul Leadley Date: 14/08/2000
    Subject: Microsoft TrainSim
    Hello all,
    Have a look at this web page, looks really interesting. Can me and
    Rob make an APT to run on it when it comes out, only time will tell.
    Fancy driving and APT over Shap at 100+ mph!

    HTTP://www.microsoft.com/games/trainsim

    It needs a good 3D card and a fast processor but who cares.

    Enjoy

    Paul Leadley
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 15 From: Kit Spackman Date: 14/08/2000
    Subject: [advanced-passenger-train] Digest Number 9
    Hi Paul,

    >Fancy driving and APT over Shap at 100+ mph!<

    Er, been there, done that. <g> I was going backwards at the time, but it
    was over Shap, and I think 130 was about the speed at the time....

    Having said that, Train Simulator does look pretty good, and the blurb says
    it will be an 'open architecture' type package, like Flight Simulator is.
    As an FS nut, and knowing the VAST amount of add-on s/w that is produced
    for free by very talented writers, I'd say the chances of you being able to
    do an E-Train and P-Train are pretty good.

    As one of the trains they are including with the package has a tilt system,
    maybe I can get to 'tune' the tilt systems for your trains? <g>

    Kit
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 16 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 15/08/2000
    Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
    Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the advanced-passenger-train
    group:


    Should APT-E be displayed at Shilden or
    York NRM.

    o York NRM
    o Shilden


    To vote, please visit the following web page:

    http://www.egroups.com/polls/advanced-passenger-train

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    Thanks!
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 17 From: Paul Leadley Date: 15/08/2000
    Subject: Thanks to Andy for setting up E-Groups APT.
    Hi Andy,
    I'm sure all of us APT fans would like to say a big thanks for
    finding and setting up this APT E-groups site.

    I'm sure we shall all make great use of it.

    Thanks from all the members of APT-E Conservation & Support Group at
    the National Railway Museum, York.

    Regards

    Paul Leadley
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 18 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 15/08/2000
    Subject: New poll for advanced-passenger-train
    Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the advanced-passenger-train
    group:


    What would you like to see inside TC1
    equipment bay on APT-E?

    o Seating.
    o Displays all about APT.
    o As above with E for Experimental showing on TV.
    o Back to its origional state.
    o Coffee Bar / Shop
    o No public access.
    o Model Railway.
    o Store room.
    o Other uses.


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    Thanks!
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 19 From: Andy Appleton Date: 15/08/2000
    Subject: Thanks !
    Hi Everyone,
     
    First of all 'Thank You' for joining the group, I can't believe how fast it has taken off !
     
    As a young child I used to watch the APT-P speeding past along the West Coast Main Line hoping some day I would be the driver. Today I am a driver........A bus driver that is !
     
    I was lucky enough to be at the NRM Modern Traction Weekend in 1996 when the APT-E was opened to the public for the first time. I, and many others, were given a tour of the train by Richard Gibbon. (I filmed the tour - If anyone would like to borrow the tape just let me know - Please note this was one of my first outings with my camcorder....I was still an amateur)
     
    Hopefully one Saturday when I am not working I will be able to attend a 'Working Day' at the NRM. Unfortunately I am working this Saturday (19th) . I don't know when the next working day will be but I will be available on Saturday 25th November & Saturday 2nd December....Hint.....Hint Paul !!!
     
    Happy Posting,
    Andy Appleton
     
    P.S.  Have you voted in the Polls ?
     
     
     
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 21 From: Paul Leadley Date: 16/08/2000
    Subject: APT-E Conservation & Support Group : Update 4
    Hi All,
    New work day reports added to the Support group pages on
    Pauls Railway Web.
    Reports for 6 May, 17 June.

    Includes photographs of the work carried out and furthure information.

    August 19th will be added later next week.

    Click this link to find out more.

    HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/support/support.htm

    Regards

    Paul Leadley
    APT-E Conservation & Support Group
    HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
    Pal@Y...
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 22 From: Paul Leadley Date: 16/08/2000
    Subject: APT-E Video clip
    Hi Everyone,
    Silver_Dream_Racer has placed an ASF file and a zipped version of APT-
    E in the files section, have a look, although you will need ActiveX
    and Media player 6.4 or better to play it.

    Regards

    Paul Leadley
    APT-E Conservation & Support Group
    HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
    Pal@...
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 23 From: david.hart Date: 16/08/2000
    Subject: Introduction from an APTer
    Hello all

    Just thought I'd introduce myself as I'm the new boy to the list.

    My interest with APT's stems from the fact that I like anything that is the
    slightest bit different - the fewer examples that were built, the more that
    I like them.

    My starting choice would be Bulleid's Leader 0-6-6-0T as this was the
    crowning glory of what steam could do - but sadly the concept had a few
    faults and the CME of the day cut the project short ....... sounds like this
    way of project management began a long time back in railway history !

    On to our first of two diesels, Brush D0280 Falcon.
    A handsome twin-engined beast with the advantage to make it home if one
    engine failed - supposedly, a certain J.F.Harrison didn't go much on twin
    high-speed engines, so there's another good loco on the scrap heap.

    Next off the blocks would be the APT-E
    We all know what a great bit of kit this machine was - and gas turbine power
    as well !! Would the project have been shelved if the fuel crisis had not
    come along, we all wonder - the railway bigwigs would have probably got
    their way in the same way as Falcon. Something to do with non-standard
    equipment again.

    APT-P
    Got to have been the ultimate in electric traction until the first TGV's
    plyed their trade in France - someone enlighten me as to when that was and
    how long we were the pioneer of high-speed electric traction ?
    Forget the 91's - I would rather have seen APT-S sets streaming past my flat
    window when I lived in Knebworth !

    Final choice of greats is the 89 - affectionately known as the Aardvark.
    Much better than the 91 in design, looks, power etc., but Co-Co wasn't seen
    as the right wheel arrangement so it was side-lined, but luckily has been
    put back in service by GNER ........ or it would be if it didn't keep
    breaking after every 'adjustment' to it's systems !!

    There's my choice of top stock and why the APT's are as important to our
    railway heritage as those wonderful steam engines of the past, but with one
    great exception ........ the CME's of the days of steam had a free hand in
    design and the Board of Directors didn't intervene as much as today !

    To keep everyone amused (some of you already know this anyway) - I have a
    plan in 3mm scale of APT-E on my website at
    www.3mtnet.freeuk.com/planindx.htm (I think !), with the APT-P following
    when I get time.
    Anyone feel like a 'favourite liveries' competition ?

    Catch you all soon.

    David.

    David Hart
    The Happy Aardvark

    Websites start at www.3mtnet.freeuk.com
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 24 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 17/08/2000
    Subject: Reminder - APT-E Work Day Number 3
    We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

    APT-E Work Day Number 3

    Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000
    Time: 10:00AM - 5:00PM UTC (GMT+00:00)

    Work day 3 for the APT-E Conservation & Support Group at the
    NRM.
    Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 25 From: Andy Appleton Date: 18/08/2000
    Subject: APT-P Timetable 1984/5
    Attachments :
      Hi Everyone,
       
      Attached is a weekday timetable from Crewe 1984/5. It contains details of two APT-P test runs. I found this in the free downloads section at PC-Rail http://www.pcrail.co.uk/download.htm .
       
      Take Care,
      Andy Appleton
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 26 From: Kit Spackman Date: 18/08/2000
      Subject: [advanced-passenger-train] Digest Number 12
      >Time: 10:00AM - 5:00PM UTC (GMT+00:00)<

      Really? That means I'll have to get up an hour earlier.............

      UTC is the same as GMT or Zulu time, as I understand it, and that means
      we'd have to be at the NRM at NINE am, perish the thought............

      I'll be there at 10 am Dublin time....... <g>

      Kit
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 27 From: adam turner Date: 18/08/2000
      Subject: Hi All
      Hi All,

      I can safely say that I am the youngest member, only being 14. I
      became interested when I was in a model shop in Yorkshire and looked
      at one of the APT-P Hornby Train Sets ('Gold Dust'). Since then I
      have read about in books and over the internet. Soon after two years
      i will be receiving one of the APT-P Hornby Models but i can not go
      in
      to detail about it.

      I am a member of the preservation group at York (NRM-APT-E) but i
      live in Birmingham so i can not make the trip up to York and back in
      a day.

      I have collected loads of 1980s BR books so i know a lot about it and
      it's sad death. Always on the look out for something new about it!!

      Regards,

      Adam Turner (Birmingham-England)
      Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 28 From: Andy Appleton Date: 21/08/2000
      Subject: Amtrak's Tilting Train
      Attachments :
        Tilting train of future glides into Northwest

        Amtrak's new generation of passenger trains will offer service from British Columbia to Eugene

        Tuesday, December 1 1998


        By Gordon Oliver of The Oregonian staff

        SEATTLE -- The Amtrak Cascades, America's newest passenger train, kicked off service from Seattle's King Street Station on Monday, bound for Eugene and the future.

        A new Amtrak train pulls out of Portland on Monday en route to Eugene. The train offers movies, outlets for laptop computers and plenty of room for luggage.

        The invitation-only journey introduced a new generation of tilting Talgo brand trains in the Cascadia Corridor extending 466 miles from Vancouver, British Columbia, to Eugene. The carriages were manufactured in Spain and Washington state and will set a higher standard for passenger rail service in the Northwest when they go into regular service later later this month.

        The sleek trains feature coach and "custom class" seating, large windows, movies and plug-in music, outlets for laptop computers, information from satellites that shows current locations and estimated arrival times. They have plenty of room for carry-on luggage and a car for checked baggage service. Each 12-car train, with room for 247 passengers, offers a bistro car and a dining car.

        "It's very hard for people to get on this train and not be impressed," said Gil Mallery, president of Amtrak West, the rail passenger service's West Coast operations branch. The Cascades trains are the first in the nation fully accessible for people with disabilities, designed to let people in wheelchairs travel into the lounge and dining cars. "I've been waiting for this," said Pat Lange, 74, of Port Orchard, Wash., who spent the afternoon in the bistro on her way to Portland. "Now that it's here, it's fantastic."

        Washington State paid $10 million apiece for two trains. Amtrak has purchased a third train to replace older Talgos that went into service in 1994 and is hoping to invest in a fourth train that would allow for a second run between Seattle and Vancouver, British Columbia, starting next summer.

        The inauguration of new trains marks a milestone in passenger rail's recovery in the Pacific Northwest.

        Trains in the Cascadia Corridor are drawing more riders every year as Amtrak and state governments invest in better equipment, faster travel times, and improved service. This year more than 550,000 people will ride trains or Amtrak buses in the corridor, including about 100,000 from Portland to Eugene. That is more than double the passenger count of five years ago, the last full year of Amtrak funding of rail service without state support

        The state of Washington has set an ambitious 20-year goal of reducing 3 ½ hour rail travel times between Portland and Seattle by an hour. The state's rail officials think they might cut time to three hours in the corridor within six years with improved signals, elimination of bottlenecks and faster speeds in the 200 curves between Portland and Seattle. The current speed limit for the trains is 79 mph but, with track and signal improvements, would increase to 110 mph.

        "The three-hour barrier from Seattle to Portland is like the four-minute mile," said Ken Uznanski, rail manager for Washington State's Department of Transportation. Once that barrier is cracked, he said, "we think the business travel market is going to really take off."

        Washington now operates three trains daily between Portland and Seattle, in addition to Amtrak's Seattle-to-Los Angeles Coast Starlight service, and one train daily from Seattle to Vancouver, British Columbia, and has a goal of adding a new train every two years between Portland and Seattle, to a peak of 14 round-trips per day.

        Washington's transportation department is prepared to spend $30 million per year over six years for rail expansion and operations. The state's Transportation Commission will ask the Legislature for an additional $40 million over each of the next six years in light of voter approval of $2.3 billion in new transportation funds.

        In Oregon, state officials set a more modest goal of two-hour service and two trains per day from Portland to Eugene by 2002. Excluding the Coast Starlight, just one train and three Amtrak connecting buses now operate in the corridor. The running time for the train from Portland to Eugene is now two hours and 35 minutes.

        Oregon's Department of Transportation is asking the Legislature for $7 million per year over two years. That would continue the state's subsidy of operations, which is scheduled to expire in July, and pay for a self-propelled diesel train from Eugene to Portland that would be less expensive to purchase and operate than the Talgo trains.

        Oregon's funding proposal would also include money for bus service in Central and Eastern Oregon and on the Oregon Coast that would provide connections to the rail line.

        Amtrak's Mallery, a West Linn resident, says he still sees an uphill battle in winning funding from the Oregon Legislature.

        "There is so much energy and focus with the Legislature not on accomplishment but on attacking," Mallery said as he rode the newlyminted Talgo train south toward Portland.

        The expansion of rail service in the Cascadia Corridor puts the Northwest on the leading curve of a national resurgence of rail service. Amtrak is well-entrenched in the nation's Northeast Corridor and is investing in new trains that will operate at top speeds of 155 miles per hour there. California spends heavily on rail service in its urban areas, followed by Washington State.

        "We're sort of the poster child for Amtrak nationally," Sid Morrison, secretary of the Washington State Department of Transportation, said on Monday's trip.

        Morrison said train travel has the luxuries of first-class air travel and provides a social atmosphere that is lacking in the automobile. "This is sort of like putting a home on the road. America will come back to inter-city passenger rail if we provide the service."

        Copyright 2000
        Oregon Live ®

         

        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 29 From: Andy Appleton Date: 21/08/2000
        Subject: APT-P Photo !!
        During the final months of testing before withdrawal of the last cars, an APT set heads south through the Lune Valley on 5th August 1986.
         
         
        Take Care,
        Andy Appleton
         
         
         
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 30 From: Andy Appleton Date: 21/08/2000
        Subject: APT-E Photo !!
        The experimental gas turbine APT-E stands outside the Railway Technical Centre at Derby in April 1976. This was Tony Woof's first railway photograph.
         
         
        Take Care,
        Andy Appleton
         
         
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 32 From: G. Duffy Date: 21/08/2000
        Subject: [advanced-passenger-train]
        Hello!

        Could anyone please tell me, how did APT come to an
        end.

        Thanks,

        Graham Duffy

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        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 33 From: Kit Spackman Date: 21/08/2000
        Subject: Re APT pics
        Cor, I bet that P Train could move! 8000 hp and only five passenger cars!
        0-60 in about 20 secs I should think. <g>

        I'm not 100% sure, but that white Hillman Imp in the foreground of the
        APT-E pic just might be mine! It's reg. no. was CFC276C if anyone can see
        on the original pic. It had a 998 cc engine pushing out around 70 hp, and
        was a LOT faster accelerating than an APT of any sort. Lost out on top
        speed and tilting ability though <g>

        Kit
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 34 From: Paul Leadley Date: 22/08/2000
        Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train]
        Hello,
        Well there are several storys as to APT dimise.
        The most likely version is:
        The Conservative government at that time had no interest at all in
        the future of Britains railways and thus placed very tight financial
        constraints on BR. This in turn meant that the available cash for
        development of the APT was in such a sort supply that the whole APT
        team had to work on something less than a shoe string budget, never a
        good idea for such a highly advanced train. The development of P
        train was roughly 1975 - 1985 (Rob Latham may correct me on that
        one!), a very long time. The bad publicity at the end of 1981 when P
        train was pushed into service in serve bad weather and as to be
        expected it broke down under the full media glare, it didnt help the
        case for producing a full set of APT's.
        Also in the mid 80's the word "PRIVATISATION" was starting to fly
        around so why should the powers that be spend vast amounts of capital
        on trains that would be given to someone else.

        In a nut shell, the Conservative government didnt want us to have APT
        so they made sure we didnt get it.

        Some say it was a train that should have never been produced, my
        answer to that one, RUBBISH, we needed APT technology, without it we
        would have no high speed trains today, its as simple as that.

        The BR board viewd the APT as a very big financial risk and didnt
        have the forsight to push the train in full production, although as I
        said, the government had a big hand in that part of the APT story.

        If anyone would like to correct any of this or add anything please
        feel free.

        Hope this helps a little.

        Paul Leadley
        APT-E Conservation & Support Group
        HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
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        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 35 From: Andy Appleton Date: 23/08/2000
        Subject: More APT-P pictures !
        Hi,
         
        Just found some fantastic pictures of the APT-P
         
         
        Enjoy !
         
        Andy Appleton
         
         
         
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 36 From: Andy Appleton Date: 24/08/2000
        Subject: eGroups Newsletter
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        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 37 From: Andy Appleton Date: 25/08/2000
        Subject: APT Model For Sale
        If anyone is interested their is an Hornby APT for sale at ebay:
         
         
        You will have to be quick if you want to make a bid as this auction ends 27-Aug-00 20:15
         
        Take Care,
        Andy Appleton
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 38 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
        Subject: Another APT-P picture !
        This is a picture of the train taken at the 'Railway Age'. I am not sure when it was taken but I am in the process of finding out ?
         
         
        Take Care,
        Andy Appleton
         
         
         
         
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 39 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
        Subject: Re: Another APT-P picture !
        The photo was taken by Tim Hitch about 11 years ago, Summer 1989.
         
        Take Care,
        Andy Appleton
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 40 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
        Subject: The High Speed Train Webring
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 41 From: John Whitby Date: 27/08/2000
        Subject: Photos added to Site
        Hi Folks,
        Thanks for having me in your forum. I hope to learn a lot more about what could have been a World-beating train. If the British government had seen the light back in the 70's and 80's it could now be versions of APT dominating the European market instead of those Italian offerings. I don't normally use these discussion groups to advertise my site but I thought you might like to know that I have been blowing the dust off my slides and have added a few more photos to my APT page. Hope you enjoy them. Incidently can anyone help me with a year for the photo taken at Crewe station. I notice that the livery is slightly different, perhaps that might be a clue.
        Happy Tilting (Am I allowed to say that?)
        John.
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 42 From: Andy Appleton Date: 27/08/2000
        Subject: Hornby APT Auction Price
        Hello Again,
         
        At a recent ebay auction an Hornby APT '00' gauge (unboxed) sold for £214.56 !!!!! 
         
         
        Take Care,
        Andy
         
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 43 From: G. Duffy Date: 27/08/2000
        Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train] Hornby APT Auction Price
        Hello,

        I would like to buy a Hornby APT for my set. Does
        anyone know were I can get one?

        Best wishes,

        Graham

        --- Andy Appleton <AndyAppleton@...>
        wrote:
        > Hello Again,
        >
        > At a recent ebay auction an Hornby APT '00' gauge
        > (unboxed) sold for �214.56 !!!!!
        >
        >
        http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=412452203
        >
        > Take Care,
        > Andy
        >
        >
        >


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        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 45 From: G. Duffy Date: 28/08/2000
        Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train] Hornby APT Auction Price
        Hello again,

        Do you know of any were I can get another Hornby APT
        train ?

        Best wishes,

        Graham

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        --- Andy Appleton <AndyAppleton@...>
        wrote:
        > Hello Again,
        >
        > At a recent ebay auction an Hornby APT '00' gauge
        > (unboxed) sold for �214.56 !!!!!
        >
        >
        http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=412452203
        >
        > Take Care,
        > Andy
        >
        >
        >


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        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 46 From: stuart.king1 Date: 28/08/2000
        Subject: Hornby APT Sets
        Hello all,
         
        Re the query about apt sets i have 2 sets
         
        Set 1 is in fair condition directional lights do not work no pickups would benifit from a bit of touching up in various places(i have pickups on order just awaiting delivery) apart from these minor details it is complete plus recon motor unit just fitted
         
        Set 2 is a bit worse for ware and nedds a few repairs once again lights as before plus i bogie missing from driving trailer(i am awaiting this part also) also 1 side of windows broken pantograph and roof detail missing from power car would benifit from a repaint also has a recon motor fitted
         
        regards
         
        stuart king
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 47 From: Peter Morgan Date: 29/08/2000
        Subject: New Here
        I just came to this group via a link on the APT-P pages, I just
        wonder if anyone knows what the plans are for the only surviving "P",
        is it only cosmetic restoration or are plans for more, or has the set
        been left too long, to be restored to running condition.

        I was always interested in the APT, I must have been 6, 7 years old
        when it was lauched as the technological marvel of BR. And rember it
        as the symbol on my "rail riders" badge.

        It seems a shame how the last set was just abandoned at Crewe. Good
        luck to those involve in restoring it( and the E). If I lived closer
        to either I'd be more than willing to give a hand.
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 48 From: Paul Leadley Date: 01/09/2000
        Subject: APT-E Support Group News - Update 5
        New work day report update for the 19th August added to the support
        group pages.

        HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1/support/support.htm

        Thanks

        Paul Leadley
        APT-E Conservation & Support Group
        HTTP://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/york1
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        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 49 From: Paul Leadley Date: 01/09/2000
        Subject: Microsoft Train Sim Pictures Update
        Try these new hi-res pictures, very nice!

        http://www.microsoft.com/games/trainsim/screens.asp

        Enjoy, I cannot wait!!!

        Paul
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 50 From: Rob Latham Date: 03/09/2000
        Subject: Re: Photos added to Site
        Hi John,
        sorry for my delay in replying. The photo of APT-P at Crewe
        must have been taken from current Platform 6 after June 1985 as that
        is when the rationalisation of Crewe's track layout took place. So
        given your date of 19 November the year must either be 1985 or 1986,
        as APT last ran in December 1986.

        This picture is of particular significance to us at Crewe as it shows
        the formation preserved here.

        That is one picture that I feel we must have in the exhibition at
        Crewe!

        Many thanks for taking the time to scan them for us to enjoy !

        Rob
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 51 From: John Whitby Date: 03/09/2000
        Subject: Re: [advanced-passenger-train] Re: Photos added to Site
        Thanks for the detective work Rob.
        As you have no doubt discovered, my record-keeping during the mid to late
        80's was pretty poor. I will have a look through my other slides taken at
        Crewe during 1985/86 and try and pin-point the exact year. Also I have
        captioned the photo as a "test train" but do you think it could have
        actually been a service train as I believe APT-P was being used as such
        during this period? Needless to say I will be more than happy to provide you
        with the photo for your exhibition. Please send me an e-mail outside this
        forum with your requirements.
        Thanks again.
        John.
        ----- Original Message -----
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        Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 12:35 PM
        Subject: [advanced-passenger-train] Re: Photos added to Site


        >
        > Hi John,
        > sorry for my delay in replying. The photo of APT-P at Crewe
        > must have been taken from current Platform 6 after June 1985 as that
        > is when the rationalisation of Crewe's track layout took place. So
        > given your date of 19 November the year must either be 1985 or 1986,
        > as APT last ran in December 1986.
        >
        > This picture is of particular significance to us at Crewe as it shows
        > the formation preserved here.
        >
        > That is one picture that I feel we must have in the exhibition at
        > Crewe!
        >
        > Many thanks for taking the time to scan them for us to enjoy !
        >
        > Rob
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 52 From: Andy Appleton Date: 04/09/2000
        Subject: RAIL Issue 391
        Hi All,
         
        The next issue of Rail Magazine (Issue 391 September 6th-19th) page 63, Heritage News, contains details of the restoration of the APT-E. For those of you who don't read Rail here is the article:

         
        Restoration Of APT starts
         
        Restoration has started in earnest on APT-E, one of the NRM's least-known exhibits.
         
        One of the first steps was to replace a missing window to stop the ingress of water, and the riveted roof of Power Car 1 was removed to attend to corrosion. Seats and carpets in the interior of the trailer have been removed to allow the replacement of the rotted plywood sides and floor.

         
        Take Care,
        Andy
         
         
        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 53 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 05/09/2000
        Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train
        The following advanced-passenger-train poll is now closed. Here are the
        final results:


        POLL QUESTION: What would you like to see inside TC1
        equipment bay on APT-E?

        CHOICES AND RESULTS
        - Seating., 0 votes, 0.00%
        - Displays all about APT., 0 votes, 0.00%
        - As above with E for Experimental showing on TV., 4 votes, 100.00%
        - Back to its origional state., 0 votes, 0.00%
        - Coffee Bar / Shop, 0 votes, 0.00%
        - No public access., 0 votes, 0.00%
        - Model Railway., 0 votes, 0.00%
        - Store room., 0 votes, 0.00%
        - Other uses., 0 votes, 0.00%

        INDIVIDUAL VOTES
        - Seating.
        - Displays all about APT.
        - As above with E for Experimental showing on TV.
        - neg.micon@...
        - simonargyle@...
        - Pal@...
        - AndyAppleton@...
        - Back to its origional state.
        - Coffee Bar / Shop
        - No public access.
        - Model Railway.
        - Store room.
        - Other uses.


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        Group: Advanced-Passenger-Train Message: 54 From: advanced-passenger-train@egroups.com Date: 05/09/2000
        Subject: Poll results for advanced-passenger-train
        The following advanced-passenger-train poll is now closed. Here are the
        final results:


        POLL QUESTION: Should APT-E be displayed at Shilden or
        York NRM.

        CHOICES AND RESULTS
        - York NRM, 4 votes, 100.00%
        - Shilden, 0 votes, 0.00%

        INDIVIDUAL VOTES
        - York NRM
        - neg.micon@...
        - simonargyle@...
        - AndyAppleton@...
        - Pal@...
        - Shilden


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